THE EIGHT STAGES OF SPIRITUAL AWAKENING

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness. Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you're likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week. Join us as we spill the tea on what it's like to wake up to your authentic self. Hello. Hello. [00:00:26] Speaker B: I'm Lola Singer and my name is Ameril. [00:00:30] Speaker A: And I guess we should always try to remind people what this podcast is about and who we are a little bit. This is. We're two people who have been on the spiritual journey, me longer than my co host. But you know what? It's not a race to the finish. It's all about how we shift, change and grow. And that's what this episode is going to be about. Spiritual awakening. And just so you know, I'm totally ensconced in the world of Woo Woo, hence the name of our podcast. I'm a tarot reader. I also draw people's spirit guides and connect them with messages from their guides. I speak and sing in light language, so I've been enjoying the Woo Woo Life for over 10 years now. Well over. And what would you like to say about yourself and the podcast? [00:01:21] Speaker B: My name is Ameril and I am a Reiki master. I am a breathwork facilitator, and I'm just on this path called life that it's always learning. It will never know everything. But the reason why I was drawn to this podcast is it had has helped me tremendously with my own healing of being heard. I think that a lot of us sometimes feel like because of our upbringing, we feel like something has always made us feel like what we have to say. It's not important. But the truth is we all have things we can share that others can benefit from it. So when Lola first invited me, I was obviously honored, but at the same time I was like questioning like, why me? And I got to answer that because we all have things to bring into the table. So I'm just great grateful to be here and I'm grateful to be able to help others. [00:02:23] Speaker A: Yes. So our goal is to help people understand the ever expanding awakening process, the spiritual journey, based on what we learned, sometimes in easier ways than others. So we just wanted to prepare you guys for what it's like to go on this big spiritual awakening journey. And so this particular episode, we thought we would just bullet point it. We've talked about specific parts of the journey and talked for an hour, maybe about a certain phase. But. But we've never really talked about the phases as a whole. [00:03:08] Speaker B: Yep. [00:03:09] Speaker A: So I thought that would be good for everyone. And I also want to let you know that I've gone through all these phases. So even though I enjoy a life where I get to use my intuition now, my psychic skills, my abilities were zero at the beginning of this journey. And that's because, well, they were there, but they'd been squashed, you know, through training. And, you know, nice girls don't do that. And, you know, how does that fit into our religion? No, no, no, no, no. Right. So I suppressed it. So I went through every phase, including phase one, and so did you. [00:03:49] Speaker B: Right, Exactly. And I think that a good war that comes up in my mind is blocked. We blocked ourselves from opening up to. [00:03:57] Speaker A: Well, we blocked ourselves, but we were also blocked by training and indoctrination. [00:04:02] Speaker B: Yep. [00:04:03] Speaker A: And so anyway, I guess what we're trying to say is both of us had a fresh start. We had gotten to the point where we were totally disconnected from spirit at the point where I was a card carrying atheist and, you know, a real, you know, big city, know it all. I know it all. I know it all. Oh, my gosh, I was an arrogant little cuss. Anyway, Bob's a jaded artist, so. So, you know, I always saw the world differently than everybody else, which, of course made me better. [00:04:35] Speaker B: Right, Yep. I. I love this saying. I think it makes so much sense. It says, before we started our spiritual awakening, we were just drunk on ego. And that is kind of reflective and true. I can definitely speak for myself that I was very like. It's just everything that we didn't realize. We didn't even know what the ego was. But then we realized, okay, now I know what the ego is. [00:05:01] Speaker A: It's easier to see it from a different perspective than when you're totally ensconced in ego driven behavior. [00:05:08] Speaker B: Exactly. In fact, if you would have told me, then I would have been like, yeah, you're nuts. [00:05:13] Speaker A: I don't think I would have liked you if I met you when we both lived on Capitol Hill in Seattle. [00:05:17] Speaker B: Probably not. [00:05:18] Speaker A: I don't think so. I don't think. I think it would have been oil and water. [00:05:21] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:05:22] Speaker A: I would have thought, oh, yeah, just another. Another guy. Gay guy at the. At the dance bar. [00:05:27] Speaker B: Exactly. Oh, yeah. [00:05:29] Speaker A: And you would have been just, oh, another, you know, arrogant artist. [00:05:37] Speaker B: But I think that's part of the beauty of spiritual awakening is that we start shedding so many layers and these Lay a lot of these layers are that judgment we have for ourselves and then we see on others and we want to judge those things. [00:05:51] Speaker A: Yeah. We're projecting things onto them, you know, So I would have projected onto you what, you know, a stereotype. Probably. [00:05:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:59] Speaker A: And you probably would have done the same to me and just felt like you were equally right, you know? See, we can laugh about it now, but, oh, man, I was just one angry, jaded lady. [00:06:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:11] Speaker A: Okay, so let's. Let's just. Let's just go through the list of the phases first and then we're going to backtrack and talk about them. And not only that, through the wonder of technology. I have some mantras to help people through each stage. So we're going to share these mantras with you. And so, for example, if you recognize one of your friends might be at one of the early stages and they're looking for some help and guidance, you might want to share that mantra with them if you recognize what level they are on this. Emerald, would you like to tell everybody from 1 to 8 the list we got, if you go on the Internet, you'll see anywhere from like five to nine, you know, stages of awakening. But we liked this list, so this particular list we're going to stick with, which is eight. So he's just going to tell you what they are and then we're going to backtrack and talk about them in detail. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Yep. And the reason why the main thing is obviously resonating with the stages, like being able to look at each stage and be like, oh, yeah, we went through this in. It's not about the wrong or the right. It's more about what really resonates and aligns with us. So here is the list of them. So the first one is the call. Steering, Stirring. Stirring. [00:07:31] Speaker A: We're not ready to steer yet. We're being stirred. [00:07:34] Speaker B: Yes, stirred. Sorry. Things about being bilingual sometimes. Number two, this illusion, disillusionment, which is also slash, Dark night. Number three, seeking. Slash, slash, Exploration. Number four, awakening of the inner senses. Number five, integration, slash, Alignment. Number six, shadow work. Slash, Inner healing. Number seven, Expansion, Embodiment. And number eight, Mastery Flow. [00:08:20] Speaker A: Okay, so we're going to talk about what those are in detail now. So the call and the stirring. The way we were describing ourselves just now is when we had the call and the stirring. When you suddenly realize all these things that you thought. Thought we're supposed to bring you joy and we're ego driven. Usually validation from other people. Yeah, right. Isn't working anymore. And you're just, like, so unsettled. Right. [00:08:52] Speaker B: So. [00:08:52] Speaker A: So the description says it's a subtle or sudden feeling that life is more than the mundane or the material. You sense there's a deeper reality or something within you is awakening, and the signs are that you feel out of place. You question the meaning of life. Curiosity and spirituality become to the forefront, as well as synchronicities. So we were both very unhappy in this phase that we were just talking about. [00:09:17] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:09:19] Speaker A: I blamed other people for my unhappiness, particularly my family. It was never me. [00:09:25] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:09:26] Speaker A: And the people at work didn't understand me because, you know, I'm just not corporate. You know, I'm better than corporate. Right. This is all ego, you know, and I'd rather be by myself than not have friends. But then you're lonely at home and you don't have a friend, so you buy a bottle of wine every day on your way home. At least that's what I was doing. And, you know, thinking, that was a normal day. [00:09:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:52] Speaker A: And it was. That was not. It's not satisfying. No, it's not satisfying. And then there's something that stirs you and goes, there's got to be something better than this feeling. I don't. I never felt like I fit in, even from a young age, which I think artistic types often don't. But I don't fit in. I don't understand society. I'm not happy playing by their rules. I don't like my job. I don't like the people at work. I've got no people I can actually confide in. All these kind of things where you're just, like, so unsettled. And that's the call and the stirring. How about for you? [00:10:29] Speaker B: And see, that's really interesting that you bring it up, because I'm seeing this pattern. Right. So like you said, you had, like, really big anger issues because you were just very unhappy. And I was like, the total polar opposite of that. I was very, like, fitting in by. By overdoing things. Like, I remember my job. I used to think, like, wow, I'm almost like a human robot. I can do three jobs in one person. And then I used to remember not ever really speaking, like, my truth of how I felt about things. So everything got to me because it was almost like I constantly piled on things and I didn't address things, and I had terrible boundaries. [00:11:19] Speaker A: So is that what caused you start, like it says here, question the meaning of your life. [00:11:23] Speaker B: Yep. And so I started questioning, and it wasn't until the Greatest thing that happened to me was Covid. But it wasn't because of what happened with COVID It was because it was the time where I got to stop and not do anything as far as being locked up type thing. But I got to look at myself in the mirror for the first time and I got to answer the question that we all ask ourselves, which is, what do you like about yourself? And what about like what you're doing in life, where you're at in life? And at that time it was like absolutely nothing because there was nothing rewarding. There was nothing that was like giving me, for example, life or feeling like I was fulfilled. In fact, quite the opposite. I felt like every day I woke up I was doing the exact same thing which was going to work. I was without purpose. I was. [00:12:20] Speaker A: You were kind of an automaton. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And it was weird because it's like, I think now that I see it, like stepping back, I'm like, I was like a time bomb. Like there was this. If I would have continued that path, it would have came up a time where I would explode. [00:12:34] Speaker A: People, you know, get ulcers. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:12:38] Speaker A: Other, other symptoms, anxiety, all kinds of stuff. But that's the key, that the person is ready for a change. When it starts to be the dissonance, the emotional dissonance become so, so strong. It's like, I think that, you know, this feeling out of place is actually you realizing that society's out of place. You're normal. [00:13:05] Speaker B: Yep. [00:13:05] Speaker A: Ultimately it's like, why am I trying to fit into this warped society? [00:13:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:11] Speaker A: Why is it normal to get up every day at 5:30 to drive to work? They don't pay me for my gas or my time. I work, I come back, I'm tired, I don't have energy for my family. And then rinse, lather, repeat, you know. So anyway, I think we can all relate to this Colin steering. [00:13:33] Speaker B: But there's, there's a, A saying that Lola had mentioned to me and I didn't really. I guess I hadn't really paid, paid attention to it before, but it makes so much sense now, which is pain is the catalyst for change. Because you were going through that and you were experiencing not so much physical pain, but a pain of being stuck. Of like not being heard of things. [00:13:57] Speaker A: Satisfied. [00:13:58] Speaker B: Yeah, not being satisfied. But thanks to that, there was a change within you. There's like, it's gotta, there's gotta be something better than this. [00:14:06] Speaker A: Okay, which leads us to number two. But before we go to number two, what's the mantra for helping yourself or someone else you recognize is starting to go through that discomfort and feels like they're on the verge of. I just can't keep doing what I'm doing. And the mantra that suggested is, I am open to the whispers of my soul. Isn't that beautiful? [00:14:28] Speaker B: That is beautiful. [00:14:30] Speaker A: Because we're not ready for the full message yet. So just the whispers. And that's why they talk about. In this first stage, you start to have curiosity about spirituality and start noticing synchronicities. I mean, I was noticing, know all of a sudden you're noticing the world looks more beautiful. When you start thinking, there's got to be something different, you start paying attention to the things that are beautiful around you. Like the sky, you know, or something, you know. Okay, so let's repeat that one. I am open to the whispers of my soul. And the purpose of that is to acknowledge and welcome the subtle call to awaken and foster curiosity and receptivity. So it's the first inkling that, oh, I'm going to open myself to something different. [00:15:16] Speaker B: And isn't it so interesting that it's those baby steps? Because really, it is baby steps. Like you're. You're creating an awareness. You're being receptive to messages. You're starting to be more present on what's truly important. But it's like those little tiny steps make a huge difference because if you would have never made those little tiny steps steps, then you wouldn't be to where you're at now. [00:15:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And I think the first step is the commitment that I've got to do something different. Yeah. So number two makes perfect sense. Disillusionment. They call it the dark night, but I don't really like to use that term too much, but disillusionment I'll stick with. Okay, so that's when you're. When you're dealing with old beliefs, attachments, and life patterns that are beginning to crumble. So first is kind of like the. I don't feel like I fit into this anymore. And then everything's starts to fall apart around you. As well it should, because you're shifting out of the same vibration, the old vibration. You might experience emotional, mental, and physical upheaval as illusions fall away. Oh, yes, indeed do. I got into spirituality because I got into conspiracy theories first. And boy, were my illusions stripped away. And now that I look back on the things I learned 10 years ago, it's like, yeah, I already know this playbook because I learned about it earlier. These things have unfolded. So what Seemed like it was impossible to believe 10 years ago. Is happening now. So I already had my illusions stripped away about government and about organized religion, about certain social programs that are supposed to be good for us and turn out. Oh, wait a minute. So anyway, I don't want to go into any details about that because that's not what this show's about. But when that happens, when you start to realize I've been lied to by my schooling, I've been lied to by my government, I've been lied to by my religious leaders, you can't help but have an emotional upheaval. It's going to challenge you mentally and that's going to affect your physicality. That makes perfect sense. It's a very upset setting time. [00:17:34] Speaker B: So you want to read some. Some over some of the signs that fit under that category? [00:17:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I just kind of winging it, I guess, aren't I? Sure, go ahead. [00:17:45] Speaker B: Oh, so the signs are a feeling of emptiness, depression, frustration, questioning your purpose. [00:17:52] Speaker A: That's the big one. [00:17:54] Speaker B: And confronting with. With shadow aspects of self, the shadow. [00:17:59] Speaker A: But when you have a big ego, you don't think you have any shadow. Right. Everybody else is the problem. [00:18:04] Speaker B: And see, on this one, it was so interesting for me because where it made. Where it made me go first as far as shedding away those old beliefs and stuff, the first old belief that we all have, or at least a lot of us have, is thinking we are all like having the same path. Because that herd mentality teaches you that, oh, you're following someone else. Like, you want that house with the white picket fence and everything, right? So you realize, wait a second, that doesn't sound like something that's gonna complete me. That doesn't sound like something. [00:18:43] Speaker A: Never did for me either. [00:18:44] Speaker B: Yeah, for me either. And then I did do that. I got that house because my dad, he already passed. But he was so hesitant of like, oh, you're nothing in life if you don't have a house. Then when I have the house, it was so weird because I looked at it and I was like, I'm trying to fulfill a dream of someone else. Or I'm more like trying to. Because my dad passed at an early part of my life. I wanted to make him proud of me. And even though he was gone, it was like almost like I was still trying to do that. And it was the most awkward thing because in the old beliefs is really crazy for me because I grew up being Catholic and my whole family, my whole surroundings was very strong Roman Catholic. And I did not Fit under any of it at all. Because growing up being gay, I was taught in a very early stage of not being accepted for who you are. In fact, I always say, like, I think that that part of me really helped me because it kind of started showing me at an early age that, you know, when you are yourself, not everybody's gonna be thrilled about it and not everybody's gonna accept you. And that's okay because we're all going through different journeys. [00:20:08] Speaker A: One of the memes I saw that helped me understand that so well, where you actually start to accept yourself because of it is. Is like, why do you think everybody needs to like you? You don't like everybody. [00:20:22] Speaker B: That's so true. [00:20:27] Speaker A: Right? [00:20:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:29] Speaker A: That's okay then. If somebody doesn't like me. [00:20:31] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Okay. But, yeah. This disillusionment, depression, frustration, questioning your purpose. I think it probably is one of the most important stages here. [00:20:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:45] Speaker A: Oh, and one of the things to keep in mind, these things overlap and sometimes they repeat cycles too. But I can definitely see how me drinking a lot of wine during the columnist drink would also still be drinking a lot of wine under disillusionment. [00:20:59] Speaker B: And keep in mind that we also want to keep the reality aspect of it, because it is. It is. I mean, yes, we're mentioning now we can laugh about it, but it is really hard to go through this that. Because literally your identity is melting in front of you. [00:21:14] Speaker A: I'm gonna say it's not hard. It's damn hard. It is damn hard because. Right. You have to confront yourself. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:22] Speaker A: And you've never done that before. You've been blaming everyone else. [00:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Oh, I don't have friends because they're assholes I blame. Not that I'm an asshole. [00:21:30] Speaker B: I was blaming the trauma, not the people. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Right. So, okay, so how we know the signs. I'm sure you've been through it on the spiritual journey, and I'm sure you've recognized this in others. This is an important stage. So what's the mantra? Oh, beautiful. I release what no longer serves me with love and grace. [00:21:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:51] Speaker A: Which means not like with recriminations, like, oh, my God, I'm so stupid. Why did I do that for so long? No, so let's repeat that. I release what no longer serve serves me with love and grace. That means you just let it go like little spores of dandelion fluff. Okay. Yes. That's a tough one. And then what does that lead to? Seeking and exploration. Yes. So that's when you're actively exploring the spiritual paths. Modalities. And teachings. You're seeking tools, you're looking for mentors or communities that resonate. And the signs that you're going through this is you're reading a lot of spiritual texts, maybe listening to a spiritual podcast, experimenting with meditation, tarot energy, world rituals, or alternative healing practices. This is a fun stage because you're so ignited. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Yep. [00:22:46] Speaker A: It's like, okay, the old stuff didn't work, so what, what are the alternatives? And then once you kind of taste one, you want to go for the next and the next and the next because you're finally filling yourself up with something that's not what you've experienced before. It's something other than the what you don't want. Right. So I went through this, I was an avid reader. It, I, I still have a lot of spiritual books, but the way, I mean, I was just reading, reading, reading, reading, reading. And then one of the things that is interesting that spirit does is when you don't have a lot of time. Like I was working a couple times, I ended up injuring myself and I was off work for weeks and weeks and weeks and I was in bed and I, I, that's when I read all these spiritual books. So I think they took me out physically so I could, yeah, start pursuing this more, more, more regularly. [00:23:47] Speaker B: I think that during this stage, I read the most books I've ever read in my life just because it's voracious. [00:23:53] Speaker A: But because it's so fulfilling. For some reason though, it's like, I want more. I want more. What else is there that I don't know about? What else is there that I don't know about? What else is there that I don't know about? [00:24:04] Speaker B: And then you start also listening. Like I was listening to a lot of, like, I guess really well known people that just talk about, like, they usually connect with collectives and they share things. Like, Abraham Hicks was huge for me. [00:24:18] Speaker A: I think on the, at this stage, a lot of people, there's, it feels like I think there's different levels of mentors and I think that's a good beginning level mentor. [00:24:28] Speaker B: It is. [00:24:28] Speaker A: And so for me it was Abraham Hicks and Teal Swan. I used to watch, listen to her a lot. You see people's faces and you can't think of their names. But anyway, there's like a core group that I think they can help the advanced people too. But they're particularly useful for the people at this stage. And I think you're right. Abraham Mix is definitely one of them. [00:24:50] Speaker B: And I was actually, I'm happy enough to say that I actually have gone to an actual true. Like seeing her in person, seen the collective, I should say experiencing the collective. [00:25:00] Speaker A: You've seen Esther channel the collective? [00:25:02] Speaker B: Yes, Esther channel the collective. And it was blind Mo. Like, it was just so crazy because she comes in and Esther is so timid. So timid. Like she barely, like she's stepping up and you could just feel her frequency that she's like going up there because she knows that she's going to be doing it. But like, she's just very like, like very introverted, very not outspoken. Her voice is very soft. And then all of a sudden she connects with the, with the. [00:25:34] Speaker A: Abraham is the collective. [00:25:35] Speaker B: Abraham is the collective. And then her energy radiates and you feel that energy like waves. And then the way she speaks is super confident. And it's just like, there's just no more like that. Esther disappears entirely. There's like day and night difference completely. So I was, I was very fascinated by that. And I just, I'm really grateful for all the experiences I have gotten to experience because I think that once we've truly set that intention of like, I'm 100% of my healing and this is the path I'm taking. This is the path I'm choosing. The doors just start opening up. [00:26:12] Speaker A: Yeah, but this is at a point where people don't know their path yet. So they're exploring. Yeah, okay. So that's why it mentions, you know, meditation. That's worked for me. I made a commitment every day after work. I was going to meditate and that was huge for my spiritual growth. Amazing for my spiritual growth. But I had never done it before. Tarot. Well, I'm a professional tarot reader now. I was so lucky because there was a community in Seattle I could go to that was a spiritual center. And they had guest speakers. And one of the guest speakers taught tarot. And I've been with that particular person learning ever since. Energy work. Yeah, I was scared of energy work. But they did have energy workers at the center doing talks and exhibiting what they do. And it was great because one of them was like an animal night. So people came with their pets and it was so interesting because you'd see a cat and you just watch this cat just eating up the energy and then turn over and get in these spots where it wanted the energy to go. But I thought that was scary. Woo woo. At first. And now I'm a. And now I'm a Reiki master. I eventually got over that fear, but I had To. I had to see what it was first. This is the experimental stage. Right. So I went to that center. I had someone work on me the first time. I was absolutely scared on the table, but I did it and I wanted to jump off the table when it was done just because I thought it was so weird. But that's how you learn, right? [00:27:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:44] Speaker A: This also mentions rituals. Some people might be more comfortable with the term ceremonies. So lighting candles, for example, setting intentions for things, Alternative healing practices. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people, it doesn't even necessarily mean woo woo. They could get a sudden interest in homeopathic sound healing. Yeah, sound healing, absolutely. So that exploration is so fun, but it's scary because you don't know. It's like you're dipping your toe in the pool for the first time. So I give people credit for being open to seeking something different and new. And you really do have to allow yourself to step into the new. So what's the mantra? Oh, nice. You ready? [00:28:30] Speaker B: Yes. [00:28:31] Speaker A: I explore with an open heart and clear mind. I explore with an open heart and a clear mind. And that's going to encourage active spiritual exploration while staying grounded and using your discernment. Excellent. I like that. Okay, so do you feel like we covered the exploration pretty well? [00:28:52] Speaker B: Yes, I think so. [00:28:54] Speaker A: Okay, so this is getting more into deeper. Okay, so number four, awakening of the inner senses. So do you want to read the description on that? [00:29:03] Speaker B: Yep. So the description says heightened perception, insensitivity. This is where psychic abilities, intuition and spiritual experiences start to manifest more clearly. [00:29:15] Speaker A: Now take note of that, people. If you think you're in level one, two or three, ultimately you, you will be at number four. And those psychic skills are going to open up. [00:29:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:24] Speaker A: Okay. And what are the signs? [00:29:25] Speaker B: The signs are synchronicities, vivid dreams, clairvoyance Claire, audience feeling energy or presences, stronger connections to nature or spirit guides. [00:29:37] Speaker A: I think almost everyone I know on the spiritual path loves being out in nature. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:42] Speaker A: So I think that's definitely an easy first step for most people at that point. [00:29:46] Speaker B: Well, and it's this part. It's a lot about allowing yourself to because so the exploration kind of as you read and stuff, it shows. [00:29:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it's more like you're learning about it. It's like you're reading it, but you're not experiencing it. [00:29:59] Speaker B: Exactly. And then you're giving the allowance. And then the awakening of the inner senses is more like allowing those things to naturally come in because we know when we force those things, they don't work very well, no. [00:30:10] Speaker A: And I think it's also an opportunity for people to start to understand that it's very subtle. It's not boom. [00:30:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:18] Speaker A: So these gifts awaken slowly, and there oftentimes the energy is. You learn to feel the frequency shifts, and they're not really noticeable at first. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Another thing that I always like. Like to clear out to people is that we all have the capability of awakening those inner senses. Like, those are usually blocked by us, but as we tune into and as we explore further, they start naturally opening up without being forced. And we all have gifts. Yes. [00:30:52] Speaker A: And what comes to the forefront for you might be very different than what comes to the forefront for your neighbor or your friend. So, for example, with my spiritual awakening, the light language came through almost immediately when I started meditating. So this would be when I was awakening my inner senses. I could feel the shifts in my body. I could tell that the sounds were healing me. But then other people will have other things come to the forefront. Like, for example, a lot of people are clairvoyant. That is not my top, Claire. I accept that now. I was very frustrated about that for a long time, because when you're at this stage, you think, oh, I'm going to be seeing visions all the time. I'm going to. You know, you think clairvoyance is the big one. Right. And it never really developed to me as much as other ones did. They're there. I've got it. I've got it. I get glimpses of things, but it's just not as powerful for me as it is for other people. But what I do with. With my particular gifts are more powerful with what I can do with that set of gifts than other people can. So I guess what I'm trying to say, whatever comes to the forefront for you, good. It's your. It's your top skills. [00:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think it's just because clairvoyance is the first usual thing that people mention, and they think it's like one of those gifts that it's like, oh, like, everybody wants to have that. Everyone's to do that. But the funny thing is, the people that truly have that, especially that they had that since a younger stage, they don't get a lot. Like, they get used to it, but they're. That's not a good experience sometimes because they get to see lots of things. [00:32:26] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. And as a matter of fact, when I got my Reiki training, I was at a Reiki circle, and I was pulling energy out of somebody, and I couldn't I couldn't see it, but I knew it was some bad, bad stuff that needed to go, so I didn't stop. I kept going with it. Right. And we cleared it. And then the person there who was clairvoyant, he goes, do you. Everybody's going, yeah. Who could see? I go. It goes, do you know what you just did? And I went, no, but it was like, really, it needed to go and said, you cleared out a gin. It's like, so. Gins are not great spirits. Okay. Anyway, so I was kind of glad I couldn't see it, because maybe I wouldn't. Kept going. Right. So just explore and then embrace the ones that are coming out for you and understand you can still develop the other ones, too. So we didn't talk about the synchronicities, did we? Vivid dream. Yeah, we did. Okay, so feeling energy, presences. That's when you start that subtle energy. So you might get like a. You know, hairs on your arms stick up or something. [00:33:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:37] Speaker A: So people might start feeling the presence of people who've passed away or ancestors, things like that, too. Spare guides. Yeah. Anything I'm missing there? [00:33:50] Speaker B: I think we covered most of it. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So the exploration pays off. It leads to this, right? [00:33:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:57] Speaker A: Okay. Number five, do you want to wait? [00:33:58] Speaker B: We got to do the mantras. [00:34:00] Speaker A: Oh, the mantra for number four. Thank you. Do you want to say it since I'm. Yeah, you mentioned it. [00:34:05] Speaker B: The mantras for awakening of the inner senses is, I trust my inner guidance in the messages I receive. [00:34:15] Speaker A: That's a good one. Because a lot of people on spiritual path don't trust their inner guidance and the messages they receive. So the more you say that, the more you're going to believe it. [00:34:24] Speaker B: So since we've been repeating them twice, I'm going to repeat it one more time. I trust my inner guidance in the messages I receive. [00:34:33] Speaker A: Yes, because you might be receiving it differently than what you thought, how you thought you were going to receive it. [00:34:38] Speaker B: And the purpose is to strengthen intuition and psychic sensitivity, building confidence and personal insights. [00:34:45] Speaker A: I like that. Okay, how about number five? [00:34:47] Speaker B: Now, number five is integration and alignment. Sorry, I just giggled because I had. I always had issues with this one description. You begin weaving your spiritual insights into your daily life. Balance between the spiritual and material worlds becomes a focus. The signs, more conscious decisions, setting healthy boundaries. [00:35:16] Speaker A: Because that's the one you've struggled with. [00:35:18] Speaker B: Alignment with your purpose, cultivating gratitude, joy, and authenticity. [00:35:24] Speaker A: Okay. I struggled with a lot of those, too. So this particular integration period, I think that the one that I had the hardest time with was cultivating gratitude because I wasn't accustomed to. It's something. Some of these are going to be harder for you than others. And it took me a long time to really understand gratitude, I guess because I came from some such a. In. In phase one. Such a sour perspective. Yeah. [00:36:01] Speaker B: And see, when I see that list, the one thing that totally comes up for me is healthy boundaries. I saw, because I had no boundaries. I literally was a people pleaser. So people pleasers don't have strong boundaries. [00:36:14] Speaker A: But you do now. [00:36:15] Speaker B: Yep. And that's the thing too, because, yes, we're pointing out things that we had issues with, but that doesn't mean that you're going to have issues. Your entire awakening process, it means you're aware of those. You're aware that you had more complications with those, so you work harder on it. [00:36:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So this is actually a gift to have, that it's no longer something that's trapped in your subconscious. You're aware that. Oh, my gosh, my whole life I have. I haven't really been grateful for things or for you to feel like, oh, I've always allowed people to push my boundaries because I thought that was the right thing to do. And I like the beginning of this. More conscious decisions. So that's exactly what we were just talking about. You're not letting the subconscious fears of the ego drive you. You're going, okay, does this fit within my moral compass now? Am I integrity? If I do this, you start to be more aware of what you value and what you don't value. [00:37:09] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:37:10] Speaker A: And as you go on this spiritual journey, it becomes less and less about appearances and more and more about what's in your heart. Oh, I'm sorry. That was my computer. I don't know how to make that stop. Okay. [00:37:24] Speaker B: And it's also about standing up for what you truly start believing. It's about trusting yourself into, like, this is who I am now. And another thing about integration that I just want to mention is the integration is. Everything pretty much starts out in the spiritual, like any healing. So you have to allow that time to integrate into physical. Yeah. And that's where I was having issues because I was like, I. I signed up for a breath work class cacao ceremony. [00:37:57] Speaker A: In one week. He's still like that. [00:37:59] Speaker B: But I. I have a different way of approaching to it. Instead of being so hard, I just allow. Before I would be like so hard on myself. Like, no, I have to address this. I need to take care of this. [00:38:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And you bring Up. An excellent point. Because integration means allowing it to settle in the material world. Because we can shift our thoughts immediately, we can shift our spiritual concepts immediately, we can shift our feelings immediately. But it takes a while for the body and the physical to catch up to all these changes. [00:38:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:30] Speaker A: So be kind to yourself as you're going through these periods of growth. [00:38:33] Speaker B: And I'm gonna share one thing that happened to me that I hope that you guys don't get to encounter that. But in case you do, you know what it is. So I piled so many things on, and I did not allow the time to integrate. And what that does, it actually puts your nervous system in chaos, like, in complete survival, which doesn't help you in. [00:38:53] Speaker A: Any realm, spiritual or physical. [00:38:56] Speaker B: So don't do the mistakes. I did learn my mistakes. And just allow yourself. And this is part of your. You trusting yourself, like, before you jump into all these things. Because there's a lot of things you can do. Ask yourself, ask your spirit team, am I aligned to do this? [00:39:16] Speaker A: Yeah. It's kind of funny you're giving that advice. [00:39:20] Speaker B: I know. It is kind of funny. [00:39:21] Speaker A: I think we still need to admonish you on that. But, yes, really, there's. They call it alchemy for a reason. This is spiritual alchemy and chemistry, right? [00:39:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:35] Speaker A: And part of that chemistry is your body. And your body and your nervous system in particular, needs to adjust to the changes. So there'll be times when you go, go, go. But there should also be times where you just allow, allow, allow. [00:39:47] Speaker B: Yep. [00:39:48] Speaker A: So I think you're bringing up a great point here. [00:39:52] Speaker B: So what is. Do you want to do the mantra? [00:39:55] Speaker A: I just wanted to look back at the terms that are here, because authenticity is one of them, too. And you're going to become more and more authentic in who you are and less. Less and less a mirror of society. [00:40:07] Speaker B: So think about this. Like, this is a good way to, like, look it up and, like, kind of look at it is you start letting go first in the first stages of who you thought you once were. And then by this time, when you're integrating, what you're really doing is you're bringing in. In this new identity, but this one's solidified into who you truly authentically are. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Are instead of the masks you were wearing to fit in before. [00:40:32] Speaker B: So the integration is part of letting go of that mask and really owning up to who you are. And. [00:40:38] Speaker A: And that's scary. [00:40:38] Speaker B: It is vulnerable. You feel naked the first time you ever talk to your family about what you're doing. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Oh my gosh. When I was so scared to tell my mom about my light language because she's very religious and I just didn't know how she was going to handle it. And I was thinking because she was actually in the hospital and she might not have made it. So I went, you know, if I'm ever going to tell my mom who I really am, be authentic, I'm going to have to tell her about these skills I've developed. And I kept thinking about, this must be what it's like for a gay person to come out of the closet. [00:41:14] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:41:15] Speaker A: It was frightening. And it makes me empathize with you even more. You know, I've always been friends with gay guys. They're my buds. But I didn't know how difficult that must have been until I had to come out of the closet with my mom because I had to be authentic before she left and share that gift with her. And she loved it, actually. But I thought I. I didn't know. You never know because it's just Christian dogma. If it doesn't fit into, you know, what, what's expected, it could be the devil, right? [00:41:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:48] Speaker A: So anyways, more power to everybody who's coming out of any closet. Spiritual. [00:41:54] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:41:54] Speaker A: It's not easy. Okay, the mantra. [00:41:57] Speaker B: The mantra is I weave spirit into my daily life with ease and joy. [00:42:04] Speaker A: I love every word in that. [00:42:06] Speaker B: Okay, so let's repeat it one more time. I weave spirit into my daily life with ease and joy. [00:42:14] Speaker A: Weaving is just so delicate. [00:42:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:42:17] Speaker A: And the purpose is to help anchor your spiritual insights into your practical action and daily routines. Oh, I love it. Because you are weaving. You're weaving the spiritual with the material. You're building a tapestry. [00:42:29] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:42:31] Speaker A: Wow. That. I think that's my favorite mantra so far. Okay, so. Oh, what's coming up next year? [00:42:40] Speaker B: It's like my section that I. This is so crazy. So the next one, number six, is shadow work, which is slash inner healing description. Confronting and releasing deep seated trauma, ancestral patterns or limiting beliefs. This is where deep transformation occurs. The signs are emotional purging, noticing reoccurring patterns, confronting fears, practicing forgiveness. [00:43:09] Speaker A: That's a big one. [00:43:11] Speaker B: Reclaiming personal power. [00:43:13] Speaker A: Now, people tend to think shadow work is going to be scary, I think just because of the word shadow. But shadow just means it's in the dark, right? It's just your subconscious. So you could call it subconscious work. And this is so powerful. And I love this stage because you can actually feel the shifts. Before, things could feel kind of subtle. This one, when you're working on yourself, boy. It's like, oh, wow, I confronted that, I forgave it. And I'm a different person now. It's like you can feel the. Speaking of alchemy and chemistry, you feel the chemistry of your body shifting. It is powerful. So it does require very honest self. [00:43:56] Speaker B: Examination and especially confronting your fears. [00:44:01] Speaker A: Yeah, because we're always stuffing those fears away, that's why. Yeah, we don't want to see them. So, you know, if I don't even, you know, if I hide them, I won't experience them. But no, they actually get stronger, don't they? [00:44:12] Speaker B: Yep. And then everything has a reason why. But you just haven't shined the right light on it to be able to really see it for what it is. And instead of seeing it as an enemy or something that's against you, you see it for what truly is when you put the right light on it, which the right light means with a way of forgiveness and being able to accept fully who you are. And I am a firm believer that those, those parts of you is what, where your strength comes from. Because I mean, once somebody really realizes who they are as far as accepting themselves fully with all what they consider to be flaws, there can only be more like what comes out of that is just someone more empowered, more present, more knowing of who they are. [00:45:04] Speaker A: Absolutely. And I think probably easiest one on the list is limiting beliefs to look at to start first. You know what's holding me back? Why? Oh, there's a blue jay on the balcony. It's playing. Having a good time. I'm sorry, I digress. Oh, we'll have to find out what totem animal means when we're looking at shadow work for blue jay. Okay. So limiting beliefs, I think of the things that might be the safest way to start. Okay, what's holding me back? Why? Oh, it's because I'm afraid, because this happened to me when I was in grade school. You know, you start to realize where these, the root of these fears and indecisions and things started. I think it's harder but so worthwhile to start recognizing the ancestral patterns give use. You're doing that right now. [00:45:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:45:58] Speaker A: Looking at things you've seen within your family, that habits that get repeated, that you decide, I'm not going to be part of that. And I did too. [00:46:09] Speaker B: And I love the saint that what's written that it says this is where deep transformational occurs. Because that is true, that is like complete. You'll never go back to being the same because you wouldn't want to. Because you realize you are aligned for better things than just those limiting patterns that held you hostage for so long. [00:46:31] Speaker A: And we've all experienced trauma. It's part of life. And yes, some have been more intense than others. But when you can start to realize that happened to me, I'm not that person anymore. I can look at that from a different perspective now because I'm ready to move on from it now. I don't want to hold on to it anymore. It is so empowering and not an easy task. And it is for the brave of heart, but oh so worth it. [00:47:01] Speaker B: And you know what's really interesting is a lot of the times people would say it's like, oh, that's your dark night of the soul. Like, which is like step two. Right. But the step two is like a soft into what's no longer serving me. And then in the shadow work you just really go deep more into like what is the root of it. Yeah. What is really affecting me? How come this behavior that I've had for so long, it's still bothering me. But it's like you can't just take those layers. You have to go back to that root cause of what started it. And sometimes it's. It is we develop it. And a lot of the times is something ancestral or just a trauma that was brought to you at an early age of your growing up. [00:47:44] Speaker A: And you got to remember too that when we're children, we don't have the power we have now. So what might have seemed absolutely devastating to you as a child of age six, we look at as an adult is like no big deal. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:57] Speaker A: But so you have to go back into the mindset of that six year old in order to help yourself heal. I think sometimes people forget that. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Yep. And I look at it as a snowball effect. Like even though it started out as a small thing for a child, it was big. So it got. It was big enough to be owned up as a trauma. And then as we move through the world, that little thing that started starts rolling and it starts becoming bigger. And then you're throwing out this energetic magnet of. Because I'm keeping this and I'm claiming this is my story. I'm going to get this life experiences to reassure because that's what attracting to you. Exactly. [00:48:39] Speaker A: The negative that you were trying to hide or trying not to. Not to re experience. [00:48:44] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:48:45] Speaker A: But then you keep it re experiencing in order for you to heal it. So shadow work. Love it. I actually love shadow work, but it is definitely something you need to be ready for. [00:48:55] Speaker B: Yep. [00:48:56] Speaker A: Okay, Number seven is. [00:48:57] Speaker B: What's the mantra? [00:48:58] Speaker A: Oh, the mantra. I keep skipping. Then you read the mantras. I'm. I'm. I'm just so excited for the list. [00:49:04] Speaker B: All right, so the shadow work and inner healing mantra is I embrace my shadows and honor its wisdom. [00:49:12] Speaker A: Oh, I like that too, because then you're not afraid of the shadow. [00:49:16] Speaker B: Exactly. Oh, so I'll read it again. I embrace my shadow and honor its wisdom. [00:49:24] Speaker A: Very good. [00:49:26] Speaker B: And that encourages us. Encourages compassionate exploration of inner wounds and hidden patterns. [00:49:34] Speaker A: I like that. Okay, so number seven is expansion and embodiment. So now you embody the higher consciousness in your everyday life, and the focus is shifting from personal growth to service and contribution. So the signs that you're in that phase are that you start to share your gifts. [00:49:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:56] Speaker A: You're expressing creatively. You're teaching or guiding other people. You mean like a podcast? Feeling deeply interconnected and living aligned with your sole purpose. So this is when you're starting to feel the wonder of where I'm. I'm part of it all. [00:50:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:14] Speaker A: You know, so I want everyone to prosper. And it's not an ego kind of. [00:50:19] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:50:20] Speaker A: It's more of a. I call that expansion. Well, that's what they're calling it too. Yeah. And I think that's exactly what this podcast is. Because we're, like, trying to guide others because someone guided us. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Exactly right. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Sharing your gifts. Now, that's a big deal. We talked about how scary it was for me to tell my mom I could speak and sing in light language, or even scarier, to sing for the first time in front of a group of people. But there comes a point where you just, you know, people, number one, people are encouraging you to open up your gifts, and number two, you're just ready to share. It's time. I've been keeping this healing ability to myself for so long, and now I'm getting that push, like, I need to take it to the next step. [00:51:01] Speaker B: And it's funny that you say the next step, because one of these things that says, align with your sole purpose. Living aligned with your sole purpose. So one of the things that I've discovered that it was so great to know because it was such a relief, because we all put ourselves, like, we carry. We put on these big, huge expectations for ourselves. Right. And then it's like, what is my sole purpose? And then it's like, when you think of sole purpose, people immediately look at something really big. And I have to do this grand thing. [00:51:33] Speaker A: In order to do that, I have to become world renowned and known for my wisdom. [00:51:37] Speaker B: And the truth is, your sole purpose is it has to do with you, your alignment. You being happy, accepting of yourself and giving to others from the overflow. Because you are aligned to that authentic part of you creates that sole purpose. Because you're no longer just living, you're excited. You're injecting that passion to others. You're injecting that to your life. That is your sole purpose. Because even, let's say you find something like for example, Lola in example, an example, she loves tarot. Right? And she's been doing tarot for a long time. But she'll also evolve from that too, to be like, okay, now I want to push tarot into another thing. Like, now I want to have a platform like that could be in the future plans. Because that is what we're here to do is a constant expansion of things. So you can never say your sole purpose is like, okay, I became. This is my sole purpose. That's it. And that's done. Because otherwise you wouldn't be here. We're here to expand, always growing, always. [00:52:38] Speaker A: Growing and always modifying what we're doing. And I like what you said because really your sole purpose is to be authentically you. It's not that you need to be a guru or the healer that people come across the world to see. No, you just need to be authentically you. [00:53:05] Speaker B: And that is your true inner power. That's where it's at. Okay, so the mantra for that is, I share my light and gifts with the world. So again, I'm going to repeat it. I share my light in gifts with the world. This supports expressing one's spiritual abilities and creating outward, outward, outwardly through service of art. [00:53:34] Speaker A: You know, and even if you're not ready to share your gifts, you're going to be sharing your light. [00:53:39] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. [00:53:41] Speaker A: Until you're ready to share the gifts, that light is going to be shining. Yeah. [00:53:45] Speaker B: And everything is frequency. So no matter where you're at, you're going to bring your own frequency into this world. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Okay. Number eight. And we're not claiming to be there yet, are we? Is mastery. [00:53:57] Speaker B: I don't think. Well, I think that we look at mastery as a weird thing. I like flow better than mastery. [00:54:03] Speaker A: Yes. Mastering flow. [00:54:04] Speaker B: Yep. [00:54:05] Speaker A: So do you want to read that one? [00:54:06] Speaker B: Yeah. The description is spiritually becomes second nature. There's a sense of harmony and effortless flow with life cycles. The signs are inner peace, wisdom, clarity in action, no attachment to Outcomes, deep compassion. Mastery of emotional and energetic balance. [00:54:29] Speaker A: I think that I waver in and out of that one. [00:54:32] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:54:34] Speaker A: I don't feel like I've fully stepped into it, but I've tasted every one of those. [00:54:37] Speaker B: I think that, like, for example, you know how, like, there's that emotion scales, Right. And then the highest emotion you can have is joy, which we all experience joy. But I think it's temporary because you have. We came here to learn and to constantly expand. So that means we're going to go through different lessons and different things that make you see things differently, even the way you once have. Like, you can never say, I'm here. I have nothing else to learn. So I think that that's what part of flow is. And I think mastery is very 3D to me, because when you explain it to me, that makes so much more sense than it has ever in my entire life. Because you said to me, mastery is balance. And that makes so much more sense. Because when I hear the word mastery, it's easy icky. Because it's like this perfection figure that you need to look at when it really isn't. It's about being balanced with yourself, about just being at peace, about having wisdom come in, about having that clarity in your actions and not having an attachment to outcomes. Having deep compassion, especially starting with yourself. [00:55:46] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:46] Speaker B: So it can be expressed to others. And an emotional, energetic balance. It's like, this is why we're. This is the last stage where we're pushed to become the observers and no longer being sucked in by the emotions. Being able to have compassion, but at the same time, being able to be your authentic self and not get sucked in. Instead, become the light for those that you're having compassion for. Floor. So they can see that there is hope for themselves too, by shining their own light. [00:56:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I think why don't we just strike the word mastery and just call it flow. [00:56:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:56:26] Speaker A: Because it does feel like a wave. Like I said, I've gone in. I have moments of inner peace. [00:56:31] Speaker B: Yep. [00:56:31] Speaker A: I have moments of wisdom. I have moments of clarity. I have moments of not being attached to outcomes. I have moments of deep compassion. I have moments of emotional energetic balance. And then like we talked about the. The whole idea is to try to. When you're out of those feelings that you're in, like, for example, inner peace, that's okay because you can self correct back to it. So I love that it's called flow. So what's our mantra? [00:56:59] Speaker B: Our mantra is I move with life in harmony and trust. [00:57:05] Speaker A: Ooh. Say that one again. [00:57:07] Speaker B: I move with life in harmony and trust. [00:57:11] Speaker A: You move through life. That means you go into these inner peace and you go out of inner peace and then you go back into inner peace. [00:57:18] Speaker B: Right, exactly. [00:57:18] Speaker A: So you're not doing anything wrong if you. If you try to try trying to keep yourself balanced. [00:57:26] Speaker B: And the purpose is cultivates efforts, effortless alignment, inner peace and trust in life's natural force. Flow. I love that. I really like that mantra and I just love the description of that. [00:57:42] Speaker A: Okay, so we have about a minute left, but I'm just going to read these mantras again. Okay. Number one. The call. The stirring. I am open to the whispers of my soul. Number two, Disillusionment, dark night. I release what no longer serves me with love and grace. Three, Seeking and exploration. I explore with an open heart and clear mind. Four, awakening of the inner senses. I trust my inner guidance and the messages I receive. Five, Integration and alignment. I weave spirit into my daily life with ease and joy. Number six, Shadow work and inner healing. I embrace my shadow and honor its wisdom. Number seven, Expansion and embodiment. I share my light and gifts with the world. And number eight, Flow. I move with life in harmony and trust. I just felt good. Just saying those out loud. [00:58:43] Speaker B: You guys feel really good. [00:58:45] Speaker A: Yeah. So on that note, wherever you are on this journey, you're in the right place for now. And you're going to keep growing and you might just be able to help your friends and family members by recognizing what stage they're in too. [00:58:59] Speaker B: Yep. And please share this episode with anyone that you know they would benefit from. Thank you for tuning in. [00:59:05] Speaker A: Bye. [00:59:06] Speaker B: Bye.