NORSE GODS 101 with KRIS GISLADOTTIR

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness. Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you're likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week. Join us as we spill the tea on what it's like to wake up to your authentic self. Hi, I am Lola Singer and this is a special day because in addition to my co host Ameril, we have a special guest and her name is Chris. And you're going to have to do the proper Icelandic pronunciation. [00:00:42] Speaker B: The full name. [00:00:43] Speaker A: Yes. [00:00:44] Speaker B: Christine Gudbjerg Gisladottir Haraldsson. You may call me Chris with a. [00:00:51] Speaker A: K because she's very Nordic. She's from Iceland. And it's interesting for me because I'm very Nordic too. I'm 50% Norwegian immigrant father and my mom, second, third generation American, but they all married other FINNS, so I'm 50% Finnish, 50% Norwegian. And that's what we're going to be bringing up today. Chris is someone who comes to our drumming circle and I always liked her. Well, first of all, you got your Viking haircut. She's got shaved. Shaved hair. She looks like Shield Maiden. I wouldn't mess with Chris if you saw her on the street. She definitely has that Nordic vibe. And one of the things I recognized about her is that we have such a similar path here because I was raised on a lot of. How do I say it? I'm just gonna say it. Propaganda. For me, it was propaganda because my parents were always about Scandinavians. The best, you know, Scandinavians. And I was going to school and going, But I have friends who are half German and half Scottish and I have friends who are Japanese. And it's like, I don't think I'm better than these people. So for me, I kind of rejected my culture. And part of that was like they. Oh, God. Our parents sent us to Norwegian school on Saturdays. That was a problem. You never saw two children object so vehemently to doing something on a Saturday than me and my sister. [00:02:24] Speaker B: That sounds awesome. [00:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. Once again, it. I know the parents intended something good, but I didn't buy into it because I was around. I. I felt like I'm not better than anybody else. But as a result, I pushed away my Nordic heritage. So we. I grew up with, you know, books about Norway. Oh, our whole house was covered with Norwegian art. You, you know, we had the sweaters, we had the. We even had Norwegian costumes we had to wear once a year on Norwegian Independence Day and march in the parade in downtown Seattle. [00:02:56] Speaker B: That was so funny. [00:02:58] Speaker A: And I totally rebelled against that. Whereas Chris has got a similar story. And by the way, we're all, all of us on this podcast, I think is interesting because we're all children of immigrants. And then so she has her Icelandic family. And one thing I, I could see in her right away is she's got that kind of tough, jaded Scandinavian outlook because we're all survival. Anybody who survives Scandinavian winters, even if they ended up in America, that's. That's some lineage. Okay, so. But I could recognize she's got this. Oh, I like Chris because she's got that attitude that, you know, that survival instinct from Iceland. And there's more to her than that, though. So she actually embraced the nor gods, and that's what we're going to talk about. But that was a slow journey for you, too. And so we're going to talk about how these archetype gods and goddesses can help you on the spiritual path. And so especially for the new people. And, you know, because I push these gods and goddesses away just because I'm a stubborn little cus and a rebel by heart in heart, I needed to learn to re. Educate myself about them. And I did that in the last week. And I'm finding these archetypes are absolutely fascinating and they can help on the spiritual journey. You can call upon them for spirit guides and in meditation and things like that. Okay, enough about me. I'm hogging the mic. [00:04:29] Speaker C: Before we get going, announce it this episode, the name of it, It's Norse gods 101. [00:04:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that would have been good for me to mention earlier. [00:04:39] Speaker C: It's great. Hey, we're flowing. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Yes. And so this is new for you because you're not from this culture. I'm familiar with some of it because I grew up with the books and such. And then, not only is Kris knowledgeable about her heritage because she learned to embrace it, she also has created a whole line of essential oils based on these gods and goddesses and archetypes, and they are amazing. And so her business is called Norn Botanicals. N O R N. We'll learn a little bit about the Norn later. But she's also very educated and understands humanity's ups and downs, which is also what the gods and goddesses will teach us about, because she has a master's degree in psychology, so she knows her stuff. She's an observer of human nature and how we can work with these archetypes, I think is going to be fascinating based on your personal journey here. So let's find out a little bit more about your botanicals, because I think people will be interested in that. Yeah. And I love your oils. [00:05:48] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you. It was a very generous introduction. [00:05:51] Speaker A: I appreciate that. [00:05:56] Speaker B: But. Yeah. Do I just start? Yeah, yeah. [00:05:58] Speaker A: What would you like to tell people about, you know, how you got into the process and why they're named after the gods and goddesses. [00:06:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:04] Speaker A: And folklore. [00:06:07] Speaker B: Gosh, I don't know. I've been working with herbs for a long time, and I'm an herbalist. I love working with. With plants and plant medicine and nature. And at my core, I would say I'm an animist in my spirituality, which is essentially the belief that everything has, like, a consciousness and a sentience to it. Everything has a spirit. And I learned in my journey of coming back to the Norse gods that that is a very. That is also a practice in Nordic mythology, is that they have the land spirits and the sky. Sky spirits and things like that. And they work with the land and the spirits of the land and. [00:06:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So people could understand that because they understand Native Americans have that. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:52] Speaker A: That mindset as well. So it transfers. You know what's interesting about the Norse, too, that I found out recently that the Native Americans and the Sami people. [00:07:04] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:06] Speaker A: Both have Siberian blood in them. So I. And, you know, the Sami live in tepees. [00:07:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:11] Speaker A: So I think that they're actually connected, DNA wise. Yeah. I'm getting truth bumps when I say that. So we think these cultures are strictly European, but because of migration, we Norse people might be related to Native Americans here. [00:07:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:31] Speaker A: And so the animism makes sense, what you're saying. Sorry, I just thought that was a juicy little tidbit. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Well, animism is common in so in many cultures. Yeah. [00:07:39] Speaker A: Celtic and African cultures. Yep. [00:07:43] Speaker B: That. That. That type of system of thought where you have this. This relationship, this very intimate relationship with your surroundings. And so for me, working with the oils, I felt like I wanted to sort of birth this product line based on the Norse gods and goddesses and just other figures in Norse mythology. Like, I have an oil that's cedar and juniper, and it's called the hutra's cloak. [00:08:11] Speaker A: I have that one. I love it. [00:08:13] Speaker B: It's. It's one of my favorites. But a hutra is like a. It's a forest spirit, and they often seduce men and then, I believe, kill them afterwards. But they live, like, deep into, like, Deep and like, uncharted forests, and there's a lot of cedar around here. So really it's not just Norse, it's like a little bit of the blend of, like, the Norse gods and, like, the local fauna of the Pacific Northwest. [00:08:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that'd be like the. The dryads in Greek mythology. [00:08:41] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And they're using the life force to keep the forest going. So it's. That's the one thing about the. The Norse gods in particular. Everything cycles. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:53] Speaker A: There's like. It seems to be, like, when I was exploring these gods and goddesses to get ready for this podcast, and it's just like chaos comes in the hieroke. Like you like to talk about the hieroke energy comes in and just everything. Once everything seems like it settles, chaos comes in to stir the pot. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:12] Speaker A: So, but. But like the. The. The particular botanicals you're making, a lot of them are very soothing. So you're tapping into the medicinal qualities of the. Of the plants themselves as they relate to, and then you're matching it to the archetype. [00:09:29] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:30] Speaker A: Okay. And. Oh, and then you can be found. If you want to find out more about Chris's botanic. Sorry, Norn N O R N Botanicals, you can contact her on Instagram. And her handle is Tending to My wild. All one word. Tending to my wild. And she's also available if you live in Skagit county or even the counties nearby, at Vera Massage. One time a week. [00:10:00] Speaker B: A couple days a week. Yeah, I work there. [00:10:03] Speaker A: Okay. So she. So not only is she book smart, she's taking this stuff and she's applying it to helping people on their spiritual path, like we do through the guidance and the mentoring and using the oils too. So what do you want to ask? Because I've been hogging the microphone. [00:10:23] Speaker C: Oh, no, you're good. So one of the things I did want to clear is we mentioned Vera Massage, but that is located in Burlington, Washington. [00:10:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:29] Speaker C: Just so you guys know, if you want me to look it up to call if she's there. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Is there a specific Chris with a K? Because with the. With the long Icelandic name. [00:10:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:40] Speaker B: As of right now, I'm there on Monday and Wednesday afternoons. [00:10:43] Speaker A: Perfect. [00:10:44] Speaker B: But you can make an appointment on the website. I also do, like, herbal consultations there and stuff. Stuff. So it's because, you know, the. The services that I'm offering are under the brand of the massage Studio. It seems it'll say things like trauma, wellness, coaching, but I work with plants. I work with Reiki and sound and sound because she has the tuning forks, visualization, breath work. I do a very. I have a very eclectic healing practice. [00:11:13] Speaker A: Okay, well, speaking of eclectic, let's talk about these gods and goddesses from the Nor. You told us earlier that you kind of. You're kind of a bit like me. It was like you grew up around it, but you didn't really embrace it. But you're familiar with these stories and the folk stories, and then your curiosity got aroused and it was because you heard a calling from one of these gods and goddesses. [00:11:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:11:44] Speaker A: So please tell us about that because I bet you there's somebody in the audience who's got a similar story. [00:11:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I grew up around the stories of, you know, in Iceland and most of like Scandinavia, they have stories about like elves and hidden people, trolls and, you know, invisible beings and just mysterious forces. And, you know, my parents, like a lot of people grew up primarily religious. And so if you go to Iceland, you'll actually see a very unique blend of the old gods and the new present in the culture and in the museums and whatnot. And, you know, I would say in my early 20s, I got into, you know, like, spirituality and I was starting to explore things and I got into wiccanism, which I feel like is pretty par for the course for people exploring. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Especially people get interested in herbs and botanicals. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Yes, the earth based spirituality really interested me. And so I kind of walked that path for a little bit, but it just didn't feel quite right. And then I started studying like ancestral veneration, which is like the oldest form of like worship there is really is worshiping our ancestors. And then I kind of learned along the way, or maybe somebody told me, I don't know, that like, the best, you know, spiritual practices to tap into are the ones that are of your heritage, because there's real power there. And for me, you know, I was born in the United States, and for me it, you know, I. I've never quite feel like I have fit in into the country, even though I do have, like, light skin. There's just a different vibe, you know what I mean, in this country than you mean Nordic countries, you mean America. America. The vibe's a little bit different. And so I've always felt like a little too Icelandic for America, but when I go to Iceland, I'm a little too American for them. [00:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah, so. [00:13:38] Speaker B: So I kind of walk between worlds a little bit. And, you know, I think that's probably. [00:13:43] Speaker A: True for you too, and me as well. When you're the child of an immigrant. [00:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:13:48] Speaker C: I feel like I kind of came the opposite, because I was more, like, so confused, because on one side, I was, like, pushed, like, around certain people. There were, like, constant push of, okay, you have to be your. Like, your true. Like, where do you come from? Like, this is your. Who you are, but then on the other one, it's like you're exposed to the whole world, kind of, because the US Is more about diversity and coming together. And so I always felt that, and that was really weird to me. And that's why I felt so confused, because I did believe that everybody was meant to mesh together. And I never really felt for the divide tactic. And so a lot of the times, I got pinpointed of, like, oh, why are you hanging out with them? It's like, they're not even your culture. It's like, well, does it matter? They're human. [00:14:35] Speaker A: Exactly. Which is why I couldn't buy into my parents telling me Scandinavian's the best. I just couldn't. [00:14:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:41] Speaker C: So then three years later, after I come to the U.S. here I am, like, speaking English, like, really clear English, and then there they are with huge accents and can't really speak the language because they chose not to open their. Their horizons. Yeah. But so when I grew up, all of a sudden, there was this, like, passion moment where I really connected with something. So what can you tell us about, like, what was your first experience that truly brought out that passion within of. Ooh, I really like this. Like, now I want to, like, really look into this. [00:15:18] Speaker B: I would say. I mean, I talked. We talked about this briefly before the podcast, but there was, you know, in my studying of the Norse gods, like, I tried to reach out for the common ones, like Freya and Odin, but the one that really came to me was Hel, the goddess of the underworld. And the way that it started happening is I just felt really drawn to graveyards. Like, I just really wanted to go be around the dead and where the dead rest. And I was walking through a graveyard one day, and I saw, like, dried roses. And for whatever reason, like, I saw her, you know, hell's face come into my mind. And, you know, there's many different ways to describe. Describe it, but, like, one half of it looks human and bearable, and the other half is, like, rotting flesh decay. [00:16:06] Speaker A: Or if you want a lighter version, you can just think of a half. [00:16:10] Speaker B: Half dark, half light, half dark, half light. But I. I thought it was really interesting, and I started to, like, really think about, like, what that meant to have a Face like that, where you move through the world and everybody is forced to contend with dualities existing. Like right on your face. [00:16:28] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's exactly what happens on this planet. [00:16:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:33] Speaker A: So, you know, it might seem scary to some people, but we know death is always a rebirth. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:39] Speaker A: You know, and then also we have dark and light within us all. So she's really a reflection of both those things. So if you were afraid of it, then that's something you guys. Well, as a psychologist, you would agree that that's a shadow work that you need to work on. Because, hell, I love goddesses and gods of duality. [00:17:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:01] Speaker C: And I was just gonna like, back it up a little bit into, like, it's more about the embracement of it. Because like you said, Lola, if you have that fear or something within you, get striked of trigger, then that's a you part of your healing. But I think it's just great, the representation of that duality. It's amazing. [00:17:21] Speaker A: Yes. So it's like if you. If you don't like the image, then there's something for you to recognize that's not in balance for yourself. [00:17:30] Speaker B: It's true. [00:17:31] Speaker A: So the fact that she was the first one that somehow you got that connection to, you know, it tells me that you were coming from a pretty balanced position. [00:17:41] Speaker B: I mean, maybe. I don't know, maybe I needed balance. [00:17:44] Speaker A: Or maybe you needed it. Yes. Okay. [00:17:47] Speaker B: But you know, the thing that I like about Hel is in all the stories about her, everybody's always very disgusted. Like, they see her and they're like, oh, like, you know, Odin, she's one of Loki's children. And Odin saw her and was like, oh, you gotta go straight to the underworld, honey. Like, nobody could be looking at your face. [00:18:03] Speaker A: But that means they're afraid to look at themselves. [00:18:05] Speaker B: Yes. [00:18:06] Speaker A: She's a mirror for people. [00:18:07] Speaker B: And that's what I really liked about her is I was like, she is this, like, undeniable, inevitable truth, which is that we all have light and dark and that death and life coexist within all of us, you know? [00:18:22] Speaker A: So how did you once you were aware of this pull to examine birth? Birth and death and rebirth and duality. Makes sense why you're a psychologist. It makes perfect sense. [00:18:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:35] Speaker A: What did you do with that? [00:18:38] Speaker B: You know, for a while, I just really, you know, in psychology, you work with, you become very aware of how, like, the mind works and how people's minds work and how people associate things. And in my particular field of expertise, we talked a lot about storytelling and so the question I always ask myself is, why does a story exist and what does a story exist to tell? Oh, and so like going into mythology, right? Because some people, when they start studying mythology, they're like, well, are these stories actually true? And it turns out it doesn't actually matter. What matters is the lesson that they're trying to teach. Which, yes, for those of us that and their Abrahamic religions could definitely afford to listen to that. [00:19:26] Speaker A: Stories are archetypes. Like when you're talking about hell, I was thinking of Santa Muerte as well, you know, so cultures or Pluto. These are. These are Hades. Yeah. So these are. These are concepts that I think every cult culture grew up with stories about. So this might be the perfect segue to start talking about the stories. But what do you want to say first? [00:19:48] Speaker C: All I wanted to say was like, I find it fascinating that usually the outsiders, the people that are the outcasts, the people that don't fit into it, they always get connect with those gods figures that are pretty much polarity. They have you face both your shadow and light because that's what they had to endure in. It's almost like a testament of you are okay being who you are is perfect because you're bringing something more than just someone that's going to like love and light or like super dark type thing. So that balance, like Lola was saying, I think that the balance has found within. And yes, we all. We always are going to have things to work on, but I think maybe that was more about you exploring your inner balance. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Well, I didn't have a balance at the time. I think that one of the things that I have been. And this was. I would say this is about five or six years ago that she first came to me. And since then it's been a huge journey of figuring out, like, what do I actually want? Who am I really? [00:20:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:56] Speaker B: What are the things that scare me? What are the parts of me that I don't find desirable? That need love and becoming? Because if you. I think we all know, like, if you don't address those things, not just from a spiritual perspective, but also a psychological one. [00:21:11] Speaker A: Yes. [00:21:11] Speaker B: You don't address them. Like, it gets. It gets real rattlesnake. [00:21:14] Speaker A: Yeah. It affects you physically too. [00:21:17] Speaker B: It makes you sick. You project onto people. It affects your ability to show up in relationship with others when you cannot take accountability for how your own less desirable parts show up. [00:21:32] Speaker A: I just had a thought too, because this was at a time when you were starting to be informed about how tapping into your Ancestry can help. So this archetype could have shown up anyway. But she showed up Norse for you. [00:21:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:47] Speaker A: And that's because you were starting to marry that within you. So because it could have been Santa Muerte who showed up, or for me, it was Anubis. It could have been Anuba show up. You actually got your ancestry, your DNA, your culture show up. [00:22:01] Speaker B: That's the story that made the most sense to me. Yes. [00:22:04] Speaker A: And now you're growing from that. So. Okay, so you can use these archetypes to whether you have that DNA in you or not. These are universal archetypes. And so we're going to go through some of the most famous, well known and infamous. [00:22:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker C: And then before we get started, I just want to add a little 2 cents on that story too. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Okay. [00:22:25] Speaker C: So because these are like such ancient gods that have been, that have been back in like they've used millennia. Yeah. And they used to, before those people would really come to them, ask for help. And they were constantly helping because we know when we set intention, you know, it gets answered. And however, one of the things that Lola brought up the other day from her, from Eli, her mentor, was that because this older gods, people have given. [00:22:55] Speaker A: So much attention to them. [00:22:56] Speaker C: They used to give so much attention, and then all of a sudden they're not getting as much attention. So when you call upon them, they really come up for you. And they're much stronger because they answer right away. And that's one thing that I find fascinating. And me, myself, I've called in a few of them and they've answered like right. Overnight. [00:23:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Like we talked about in the spirit guide episode. You have. They can't just come in, intervene. You have to put some kind of SOS out there. Like you must have put some kind of SOS out there to meet hell, because you want it to integrate. You were tired of your shadow just ruling. So. Yes. So you can invite any one of these in. [00:23:34] Speaker C: So let's, let's get started. [00:23:37] Speaker A: And they want to help you, like we said, just so. So let's find out which ones might be the best match for the people in the audiences. So we're going to start with the big guy, Odin. O D I N for those of you unfamiliar with him. What would you like to tell us about this archetype? [00:23:55] Speaker B: So Odin can actually be associated with like Hermes, the Roman God. And he's very airy, he's about communication, knowledge. He's got those ravens, Hugin and Munin, which is thought and memory. So he's very cerebral in a lot of ways, but he's also a traveler and a lover of knowledge. [00:24:16] Speaker A: Yes. And that is very mercurial. [00:24:18] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a lover of knowledge. He wears many different disguises, so he's very mutable in nature. [00:24:24] Speaker A: And Mercury's the trickster. [00:24:26] Speaker B: Yes. And I would say, you know, I. I just. Recently, Odin has been coming through for me, which has been. It's. Our conversations have been interesting because he's actually kind of a sheisty person to Sheisty archetype to work with. [00:24:42] Speaker A: I think most of these Norse ones are. Yeah, they're tricky. [00:24:46] Speaker B: And he's, you know, he sometimes will just be like, no, you know, well. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Let'S tell the story of the tree. [00:24:53] Speaker B: Yeah. So he wanted to learn the knowledge of the runes. There's a couple things that I find really interesting about Odin. The first is that he learned sidr from Freyja, which is a form of Norse magic and witchcraft. [00:25:06] Speaker A: And we'll get to Freyja later. [00:25:08] Speaker B: Prophecy, working with the runes. And, you know, in the stories, people actually made fun of him for doing it because it was considered woman's magic. But he wanted to become acquainted with the mysteries of life, which is typically feminine. [00:25:21] Speaker A: But if you think of him being the equate, you can equate him to Mercury, Hermes, then that is actually not entirely masculine God. It's. It's a hermaphrodite, actually. [00:25:33] Speaker B: Yeah, he's very. [00:25:34] Speaker A: So this is actually making sense. Yeah. Okay. [00:25:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Very mutable. And what's interesting about Norse gods, just to kind of back up for a moment, is that a lot of the stories are told through the lens of the person who first wrote them down, who was a Christian man. So a lot of that has been kind of infused into it. But, you know, people want to say that Odin is a lot like, you know, God or Zeus, when in reality, like, he's just. [00:26:03] Speaker A: He's older and wiser. [00:26:04] Speaker B: He's older. [00:26:05] Speaker A: How did he become so wise? [00:26:07] Speaker B: He travels a lot, but he basically hung for nine days from Yggdrasil to learn the knowledge of the runes. [00:26:15] Speaker A: And that's the tree of life in mythology. So he was willing to sacrifice to get the knowledge. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Well, there's sacrifice, but also patience. Right. To hang from a tree for nine days to allow that knowledge to come to him. [00:26:32] Speaker A: And mine's the number of completion. Isn't it interesting? [00:26:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:36] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's the tree of knowledge, just like we read about in the Bible. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:40] Speaker A: Right. And what happened to his orbit? [00:26:46] Speaker B: His eye. [00:26:47] Speaker A: His eye. [00:26:48] Speaker B: He sacrificed his eye while he was on the tree. Correct. Yeah. [00:26:52] Speaker A: That gave him one eye as an intuition. Right. So he's actually. That makes sense too, because he borrowed from the woman's magic. Women are intuitive. And he gave up his eye in order to have that intuition. And I'm getting chills just thinking about, talking about that and thinking about it, which means he's per. He's actually a personification of being balanced. [00:27:19] Speaker B: He is a personification of being balanced. And I also think that he's a personification of like, masculine humility. Yes. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Because. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Because, you know, honoring the. What we would typically see as like women's magic, you know, women's feminine knowing. Right. He wanted to know, he wanted those gifts and he wanted that knowledge, and he didn't really care how it affected people's perception of him. [00:27:44] Speaker A: So how could someone work with him? Like, why would, why would they want to call on him for assistance? [00:27:51] Speaker B: I would say for wisdom, for learning. Higher learning. [00:27:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Like esoteric. [00:27:58] Speaker B: Esoteric learning. But that being said, like, sometimes he's just kind of tight lipped, you know what I mean? And a little sarcastic, in my experience. [00:28:10] Speaker A: Well, I think you probably have to come to him with an open heart. If you come to him going, I want to be more intuitive so I can manipulate others, I think he would not cooperate. [00:28:19] Speaker B: Well, it was funny. So he's been coming to me recently, like, and I. They come to me with their faces. Like, I just start seeing them a lot in my mind's eye. And I was like, why are you here? And he was like, you want me here? Why are you calling me here? You know, he's like, I don't come unless I'm called. So, like, you know, and I was. [00:28:37] Speaker A: Like, oh, I always think of Odin as old and wise and world weary because he's gained so much wisdom. Because the only way we gain wisdom is usually through some tough lessons. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Yeah. And also just kind of like, you know, I get this sense of him kind of having fun with how much I don't know, you know, and being like, interesting. [00:29:01] Speaker A: Yeah. But he's prodding you into learning. [00:29:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:04] Speaker A: See a good teacher then keeping a good teacher guide. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Doesn't. Doesn't give you the answer. They usually point you one direction and make you work for it. [00:29:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:13] Speaker A: And I think that's where wisdom, true wisdom comes from, whether you're talking about just the human life or you're talking about these archetypes. So, yeah, definitely call. I would call on him when you feel like you want to develop your intuition. Gain knowledge, but also maybe celebrate the lumps and bumps you've had in life, because, you know, that's what made you much more savvy than you were before. [00:29:39] Speaker B: I would also say, you know, calling on him to learn how to sit in stillness. [00:29:44] Speaker A: Oh, that's good. You know, when you think about it. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:47] Speaker A: It is like Buddha under the tree, isn't it? [00:29:50] Speaker B: I did have this tree. Yeah. I had this conversation with him in, you know, the astral realm or whatever, and however you want to describe that. And he was like. I was like, how do I know more? And he was like, through stillness. And he's like, what did you think I did under that tree for nine days? [00:30:06] Speaker A: Good point. [00:30:07] Speaker B: To earn the knowledge, I didn't just hang there. I sat in stillness so that knowledge could come through. [00:30:12] Speaker A: That's why Mercury's the hermit. He really does tie into Hermes and Mercury. He really does. This is interesting. [00:30:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Okay, so let's talk about Freya, because we mentioned she had the magic. [00:30:24] Speaker B: She's got the magic. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Everybody's gonna love Freya. [00:30:27] Speaker B: Everybody loves Freya. Yeah. [00:30:29] Speaker A: Oh, and how do we spell that? F R, E, Y, J A. Yeah. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Some people in the States spell it just F, R, E, Y, A. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Well, that's not acceptable. I know. J A is. Ya growing up in Norway with a Norwegian family. Okay. What would you like to tell people? Why would you want to call on the energy of Freya? [00:30:57] Speaker B: I personally would say that you want to call on the energy of Freya when you want to balance your lover girl energy with your warrior goddess energy. She's very much a goddess of sovereignty. She always kind of gets paint as, like, love, sensuality, and magic. But she's also the goddess of war. And she has her own hall that people go into that some would say is even more desired than Valhalla. [00:31:22] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't know that. Valhalla is where the. The men who died in valor, or women. [00:31:28] Speaker B: It's kind of like valor go. Yeah, yeah. [00:31:31] Speaker A: They drink a lot of grog. [00:31:33] Speaker B: But her. Her hall is the folkwinker. It's like a meadow, and it's actually more desired, more peaceful for the dead. And so. But she's all about, like, magic, sexuality, intuition. She practices cedar, which is a form of Norse magic, which is about prophecy, weaving, fate, working with the runes, things like that. And I would say that she's. She's often mentioned when we talk about, like, working with divine feminine energy. [00:32:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Because, I mean, like, divine feminine is light and dark. [00:32:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:13] Speaker A: Because we've got the maid, mother, crone thing going on here. And then also she's often depicted driving a chariot pulled by giant cats. And they. And they're not. They're. They're not like jungle cats. These are. They're big house cats. [00:32:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:31] Speaker A: So I think that shows that she's domestic and fierce at the same time. [00:32:34] Speaker B: She is. [00:32:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And you can go to her to feel embraced in acceptance, I think. [00:32:42] Speaker B: Right. Self love, self acceptance. But I would also say accepts her. [00:32:46] Speaker A: Light in her dark. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Yeah. But I would also say, like, you know, specifically when it comes to being in relation with someone else, like, especially romantically and intimately, learning how to show up in that relationship while also keeping your sense of self and advocating for your own boundaries. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is why she's also associated with the boar. The wild boar. So it's like the domestic cat and the wild boar. Now, who's she married to? [00:33:16] Speaker B: Gosh, I can't remember. [00:33:17] Speaker A: She's not married to Odin. [00:33:19] Speaker B: No, that's Frigg. That's Frigg. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Well, we'll have to. We'll have to let you know on another podcast. [00:33:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:24] Speaker A: Okay. So any questions about Freya at all? [00:33:29] Speaker C: No, not at this point. We can move on to the next one. [00:33:33] Speaker A: Okay, well, everyone knows this name, Thor. T H O R. Right? [00:33:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:33:41] Speaker A: God of thunder. Oh, you told us about. About your family in Iceland and thunder. Yeah, yeah, tell the people about that. That's a good story because that would tie into this archetype. [00:33:52] Speaker B: So before the podcast, we were talking about how these gods sort of come to be, and I was saying that a lot of them are just kind of of part personifications of things that they see happening in their region. And my father told me when he was really young in Iceland that the thunderstorms were so loud that it sounded like giants were fighting. And Thor is the giant slayer, essentially. That's why he has his hammer, is he slays giants. [00:34:20] Speaker A: He is fierce. [00:34:21] Speaker B: He's fierce. And so in working with him, I would say, I mean, metaphorically, you want to call on Thor to help you slay your giants, whatever they may be. [00:34:32] Speaker A: Which is your own personal demons. [00:34:34] Speaker B: It could be your personal demons. It could be, you know, working with certain institutions or. [00:34:41] Speaker A: I gotcha. [00:34:41] Speaker B: You've got toxic family, toxic people in your life that you kind of just want, you know, to get booted out of your field if you need to. [00:34:51] Speaker A: Nothing will stop him. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Nothing will stop him. Strength, power. Yeah. I have an oil called Thor's hammer that is specifically for protecting against the evil eye. [00:35:05] Speaker A: That would Be the appropriate one, wouldn't it? [00:35:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:35:08] Speaker A: And he's. He's associated with a chariot that is. He drives with giant goats. [00:35:14] Speaker B: Yes. [00:35:14] Speaker A: And if you think. Have you ever seen the goats in northern Europe, they've got some massive horns. [00:35:21] Speaker B: Yeah. I think about like Aries. [00:35:24] Speaker A: Yes. So he is Aries. He's total Aries energy. Because he is a military marshal. Gonna get the job done no matter what. Even if I have to bang some heads to do it. [00:35:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:35] Speaker A: I'm gonna go through that mountain instead of around it if I have to. And goats are like that too. Nothing will stop a goat. No, we see those. [00:35:43] Speaker B: Very resilient. [00:35:45] Speaker A: There's pictures of goats who've climbed a tree. So. Yes, he's a very. So I guess you would call on him for, for protection in general. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Protection. Overcoming really difficult obstacles. [00:36:01] Speaker C: So would you say probably strength too? [00:36:03] Speaker B: Strength, yeah, definitely. [00:36:06] Speaker A: Like, like an inner fortitude. Okay, cool, cool. Well, I think people are probably familiar with him from, you know, movies, but please, you know, these archetypes, not just caricatures from films, these hyper masculine. Yeah. I mean, I would imagine if you called in the energy of Thor, you, you would feel it in your bones. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:29] Speaker A: I mean, it would like, get your blood good moving. It would be. [00:36:32] Speaker B: I mean, he controls, he wields lightning, you know. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And lightning's purifying. That's how planet Earth Gaia purifies herself. So he's a purifying force. Yeah. All right. This is another one people are familiar with from certain franchises, but let's talk about where it actually came from with the Norse gods. Loki. L O K I. Okay. Well, we could probably do a whole podcast on Loki, but what would you like to tell people about him? He's the Hieroke energy. [00:37:05] Speaker B: Yeah, he's. He's the trickster. I don't know. You know, there are people that voluntarily work with Loki. I've never, I've always been subjected to Loki. I've never. [00:37:16] Speaker A: I, I think they probably do that coming from a foolhardy perspective. Perspective and a lot of ego. Once they start working with him, they're going to find out that is not an easy ride. Yeah, I think they think that, oh, I can handle Loki. Nobody can handle the trickster. Trickster always finds a way around everything. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Yes, he's. I mean, I, for him, I think of typical trickster energy in the sense that tricksters tend to bring about chaos. That ultimately brings about, like, very necessary lessons. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Yes. Because we get too comfortable. [00:37:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:52] Speaker A: And that's what the Ameril can relate to Hieroke energy. He's been. He's been accused of having that energy. So what do you want to tell people about Hioki Loki type energy? [00:38:03] Speaker C: But I feel like there's just a distinct thing because a Hioki or Hyoka empath, it's what I am. But we are more about shifting energy with using, with making fun of it with like lighting up the mood. And that's like that stereotype when for me, Loki is more about the trickster energy, about using the energy to get your way around. So I feel like there's just a different. I just, I don't see them this way. I see them going apart. Because the different trickster energy. [00:38:36] Speaker A: Well, I don't. Because Hieroke also, when you are. It goes both ways because it'll. It'll push you out of complacency. [00:38:47] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:38:48] Speaker A: But if things are also too light, it'll. [00:38:51] Speaker C: Yeah, we're professional. We professionally piss people off. [00:38:55] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:38:56] Speaker B: Oh, I didn't know that was a thing. [00:38:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you can do it literally. Have you found your new call? [00:39:05] Speaker C: Because the yogas are known as like the pissed offers, but in a good way, because it makes them see parts of themselves that they're not seeing. [00:39:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:39:13] Speaker A: But if they're too happy, he does bring in a hayoke, will bring in sadness and grief and things like that. So. So I understand you're. You're fine tuning it for me. That's how I think of Loki. Ha. Type energy. But he's. Oh, is he a rascal? [00:39:31] Speaker B: So he's a rascal. [00:39:32] Speaker A: What's at least one story you want to tell people who might not know about him? [00:39:39] Speaker B: There was one. Gosh. [00:39:42] Speaker A: Well, maybe we should talk about Balder because we're going to be talking about Frigg later. [00:39:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:49] Speaker A: So there was this, the God, God of perfect glowing sunlight named Baldr. He's the son of Odin, correct? [00:39:59] Speaker B: Yes, he is. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, my goodness. And he's like childlike innocence. He'd be like the fool in the tarot deck looking at life with wonder. And he was considered the personification of pure beauty. So if anybody knows about Kabbalah, he'd be Tifereth on the tree of life. Perfect balance and harmony is what he would represent. And Loki got involved with him. So what would you like to tell him from there? [00:40:24] Speaker C: That's a soft way to put it. [00:40:29] Speaker B: You know, I'm a little rusty on the story, to be honest. [00:40:34] Speaker A: I don't know why he decided he. [00:40:37] Speaker B: Needed to. [00:40:40] Speaker A: Take Balder down a notch. [00:40:42] Speaker C: I can answer that because I'm kind of like. With this story, I'm pretty familiar. So his mom, because it's Frigg and because she can see the future's mom, it's Balder's freak. [00:40:55] Speaker A: And we haven't talked about freak. [00:40:56] Speaker C: And so also just to rewind. So Thor and Balder are brothers and they're both from. Their dad is Odin and their mom is Frigg. Frigg can see into the future. So she could see that he was eventually going to be murder. So she took. Even though she didn't express it, what she took it upon herself was to go and make a pact with every single weapon she knew that could kill him. Yeah, but she. [00:41:26] Speaker A: But also every nature thing, because. [00:41:28] Speaker C: Yes, and every nature thing. The only thing she forgot to make a pact with was a mistletoe. Yeah, because she thought there's no way that a mistletoe could harm anyone. Could harm anyone. So one of the things about Balder is that the Norse gods would actually have fun shooting weapons at him because nobody could kill him. He was unkillable, like literally in the reason why Loki. Yeah, And Loki had an issue with him because he was so praised and recognized, while Loki was seen frowned upon. So he was that complete. One is like the light and one is the shadow. So the shadow we're talking about like. [00:42:06] Speaker A: Osiris and Set, aren't we? [00:42:08] Speaker C: Yeah. And so that archetype is really interesting because it shows both again like the darker part. So then what Loki did was he figure out he convince a God. Well, he first brought Boulder to a mistletoe so that that way a God could attacked him. And because of the weakness of the mistletoe, he was actually able to get killed. [00:42:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker C: And so that's all the story that I know. But it's really interesting how it just kind of goes into it and. But yeah, it was. It was really like. Also supposedly the story goes that after Balder left, it was like Ragnarok just kind of came in. [00:42:53] Speaker A: True. So what's that? [00:42:56] Speaker B: It's the end of the world. [00:42:57] Speaker C: Yeah, but I think it was just the end of an era. Yes. Era. That's why. Because we're always going through. Exactly. There's no. [00:43:06] Speaker A: We're ending a dark era right now. [00:43:08] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:43:09] Speaker A: Moving into the light. It's natural. So. So Balder's going to be reborn just like, you know, Horus, Jesus. [00:43:17] Speaker B: Balder actually is compared to Jesus. [00:43:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I can see how. Yeah. So it's all about once again like we talked about, rebirth, birth. [00:43:24] Speaker C: But see, if we look at it, the broader, Expect broader aspect is they're all Christ conscious ambassadors. So was Jesus, so was Buddha. So was. Like it's so many of them. And that's why these stories connect so well, because every culture pretty much had that. [00:43:43] Speaker A: Well, also think about where we come from. My dad grew up in an island in the Arctic Circle. He didn't even live on the mainland. She's from Iceland. It's dark half the year. So if any culture knows about light and dark. Yeah, it's yours and mine. [00:44:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, in the wintertime, I mean, the sun's only up for about three hours a day. [00:44:04] Speaker A: Yeah. When you're that far north. Yeah. [00:44:06] Speaker B: And it feels like somebody. You know, there's the story of Fenrir eating the sun. It's like something has come to me. Fenrir, a wolf eat in the sun half the year. [00:44:15] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's interesting that once we start talking about this, every story seems to have light and dark in it, these gods and goddesses. So Loki is there to disrupt the comfort, just like the Hioche does. It's necessary because everything needs to keep moving and cycling. [00:44:34] Speaker C: Yes. [00:44:34] Speaker B: Well, somebody like Balder is also pretty unnatural. Like, he's just light. He's untouchable, he's innocent, he's pure. Yeah. [00:44:42] Speaker A: That's when you go too far into the love and light. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And Loki, the trickster energy is like, he's gonna die. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Yeah. He's out to die. Well, you know, he's technically out of balance, so. [00:44:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:55] Speaker B: And it's interesting because it's like in. In these stories and archetypes, it's not just the dark that gets vanquished, it's also the light. [00:45:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:03] Speaker B: Because you can't have too much of either or. [00:45:05] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:45:06] Speaker A: This ties in perfectly with psychology. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. [00:45:10] Speaker A: So let's talk. [00:45:11] Speaker B: It's all psychology. [00:45:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Let's talk about Frigg, since we brought her up. She's the mother of Thor and of Loki. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:45:21] Speaker A: So, no, wait, Balder. No, not Loki. [00:45:25] Speaker C: No, not Loki. Loki was a. I believe he was an adopted. He was adopted by Odin, but he wasn't his real son. [00:45:33] Speaker A: Okay, well, let's, let's, let's. I. I stand corrected. Let's focus on. Odin is married to Frigg. They are the parents of Thor and Balder. [00:45:44] Speaker C: Yes. [00:45:45] Speaker A: So we got the thunder God, which is interesting because they're contrast too. You know, this God of war and then this love and light one, the. [00:45:52] Speaker C: God of Beauty too. [00:45:55] Speaker A: But we know from the tree of Life beauty is perfect balance and harmony, which we know never lasts. You have to rebalance all the time. Okay. But Phrig is the softness, gentleness, motherly. She's like the empress card, isn't she, in tarot? [00:46:08] Speaker C: Kind of. In a way, yeah. [00:46:09] Speaker B: She's the goddess of the hearth. Motherhood prophecy. [00:46:14] Speaker C: What's really interesting about Frigg, that I always is, she has the ability to look like she gets the future and she gets the visions from the future, but yet she will not interfere. [00:46:27] Speaker A: She stays calm. [00:46:28] Speaker C: Yes. [00:46:29] Speaker A: Like in the present. [00:46:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:30] Speaker A: She's like. You know, when you're looking at feminine energy to being water, she'd like to be up like a placid lake. And she's reflective that way too, because she's a seer, but she's very calm. She's like the mom you want to come home to every day. She'll always get a hug and a cookie. [00:46:45] Speaker C: So she's actually known as a sovereign mother, too. That was one thing I read. Which means anyone like. Like, for example, I myself connected with her because sometimes we don't get the ideal mothers. And I really wanted to feel that unconditional love from a mother. So when I connected with her. I definitely doubt that. [00:47:04] Speaker A: I think that's very important for people listening. This would be a great goddess to start exploring the Norse God gods and goddesses, because she's just all about acceptance and love and nurturing mothering. Yeah. So if you're the least bit curious, that would be the. I think the best one to start with. Yeah. Do some reparent and then look at what a mother too. Like she can appreciate all aspects of her children. So she understands this one's darker, this one's. And I love them both. [00:47:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. So shall we talk about the wolf? Since we mentioned him in passing. [00:47:42] Speaker B: Yeah. The wolf. Fenrir is one of Loki's children. That's N R I R. He's one of Loki's children. He bites off the hand of Tyr. [00:47:53] Speaker A: Tyr is. We haven't talked about him yet, but he's about justice and law and taking oaths and following through on them. [00:48:02] Speaker B: Yes. [00:48:02] Speaker A: So he's got a lot of fortitude and a lot of moral discipline. [00:48:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:10] Speaker A: So. [00:48:11] Speaker B: But the thing about the wolf is just so interesting is that the reason why he got chained up is that Odin thought he would be too powerful. [00:48:19] Speaker A: Because it's our animal nature. Oh, this is psychology. [00:48:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So Fenbeard is one of Loki's Children who is a brother to hell. And so this is, you know, Loki had children with a giantess named Angrboda. And so he had. We have this, the serpent, the wolf and the goddess of the underworld. All very like, primitive, primal, some would say dark. [00:48:48] Speaker A: Carl Jung would say these are all archetypes in and of themselves. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And so Odin, once he realizes that Loki's children exist, he sends Hel to the underworld where nobody can see her, and then he binds Fenrir and I think he sends the serpent down into the underworld as well, I believe, and like traps him in a cage, something like that. [00:49:11] Speaker A: Okay, well, serpents are in every mythology. [00:49:15] Speaker B: They are. [00:49:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And so we're not. We're not really going to dive into that yet. But it's a poisonous serpent. That's all I'm going to tell people if they want to. If they want to go into that further. But this wolf. Yes, it was. So Odin considered him completely dangerous. [00:49:31] Speaker B: Yeah. In the story, he's too dangerous. [00:49:33] Speaker A: Odin has wisdom. So he sees that our animal nature, our fears, our subconscious can take us over at any time. [00:49:41] Speaker B: Yes. [00:49:42] Speaker A: So that has to be restricted. But then that kind of backfires too, doesn't it? It does on a psychological level. Because if we don't accept our animal nature as well as our spiritual nature, our balder nature, then we're only. We're not being totally authentic. [00:50:05] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and I believe the way that it's portrayed in the stories is that if Odin had never essentially exiled Loki's children, they wouldn't have got so angry and vengeful and then contributed to that. [00:50:16] Speaker A: But that's what happens when we suppress our subconscious, right? [00:50:19] Speaker B: Precisely. Yeah. [00:50:21] Speaker A: I love how this is all tying back to psychology. I have a psychology degree too, but not master's. Okay, so, yes. So he got tied up and restricted by chains and then there was tear came in because he's the one who actually chained him. Yeah, but that would make sense because he has a sense of moral right and wrong and justice. So he would be the only one with the fortitude to face that subconscious fears. Because it's like, I need to do it because it's the right thing to do. And as a result, like Odin, who lost an eye, Tyr loses a hand, the wolf takes advantage of him being there and attacks him. And so there's always a sacrifice which is also tied to psychology. For anything we're going to do, we have to face our dark nature. We're afraid of it, but we have to make that first step, which is a sacrifice. I'm beginning to like these Norse gods more and more and more the way, you know, it's like, wow, I didn't really see. Growing up, I. Well, my parents, they weren't very complex, so I wouldn't have gotten. Gotten this perspective from them. But I actually am really enjoying how do we tie this into psychology? How do tie this into, you know, ego, id, superego. [00:51:42] Speaker B: Cool. Almost all the mythology across the globe can be tied back to it in some way. Yeah, yeah, it absolutely can, because we're the one that. We're the ones that created these stories. Sure. [00:51:55] Speaker C: So also, here's the funny thing that it's like, as we do the podcast, sometimes they get, like, hit with just archetypes and information from spirit. So it's like. Like, for example, right now we're talking about sacrifice. Right. But really, sacrifice can be switched to exchange, because in order to allow new things to come in, you have to sacrifice, exchange something for other. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:52:20] Speaker A: And sometimes it's as simple as time. [00:52:22] Speaker C: Exactly. Yeah. [00:52:24] Speaker A: Okay, before we. Before we wind down the episode. No. We've got to talk about the namesake of her botanicals, the Norn. Nrn. You might know them as the Fates in Greek mythology. [00:52:39] Speaker B: Yes. [00:52:39] Speaker C: Find the other one. Sorry. [00:52:42] Speaker A: So they're the weavers. The Weavers of time, even too. Like, we were just talking about. Yeah. So how would you describe them to someone who's not familiar with them? [00:52:54] Speaker B: Not very helpful. Sometimes I've tried to go visit them, and they're just kind of like, what are you doing? You know? So anyway, the three Fates, the past, the present, and the future, they're said to weave the fate of every living person. And the fate as it's weaved is called the word W Y R D. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Which is where the word weird comes from in English. [00:53:20] Speaker B: And it's. They see it like a spider web. [00:53:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:24] Speaker B: And so I always think of spiders. Or when I see spiders. Spiders. I think of the norm. [00:53:28] Speaker A: Horns, weaving the web. Yes. And they. You can think of them as Maid Mother Chrome. [00:53:33] Speaker B: Yes. [00:53:35] Speaker A: So, you know, you have the. The past, present, future, but they. One of them. One of them has the. One of the present. Right. Has scissors. [00:53:46] Speaker B: Yes. [00:53:47] Speaker A: And those scissors can. Because it's fate, can end somebody's timeline, can't they? So they're very powerful. [00:53:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I always think of them just like. I don't know, like, they've got their kind of like a spider. Right. Like. [00:54:03] Speaker A: And they're shown weaving. Weaving with thread. So it's usually like a spinning wheel. Yeah, Right. And one of them is spinning the wheel, one of them's cutting the thread, and there's a third one. It's like feeding the thread. Yeah. So it's always, you know, past, present, future, all of that stuff. And so we always are. And they. One thing I thought was really interesting is they're. They're underground underneath the world tree. So they're in that subconscious realm too. [00:54:32] Speaker B: They are, yeah. [00:54:34] Speaker A: They're in the darkness under the tree. But that's where the knowledge. Knowledge grows from them. The tree of knowledge grows from fate. It does, doesn't it? Oh my gosh. You know, and so they're always cyclical. Right. That's why the spinning wheel. So we have this cycle that we're fated to work within. But then we have the. We talked about this the other day, Emeril. But we also have the self awareness and the ability to work within that circle. We have freedom of choice. [00:55:08] Speaker C: Yes. [00:55:09] Speaker A: So it feels restricting, but yet we have free choice within that. [00:55:14] Speaker C: I also feel. Feel at least like the norms and even explaining other cultures and stuff. When they're cutting that thread, it's not because like, oh, they're just ending. It's like it's. It's that recycling, it's that death and then it comes to a rebirth. [00:55:28] Speaker A: But why? There's always a young one there. So there's a made mother chrome within the norms. Yeah. [00:55:34] Speaker C: So they're just. In other words, they're part of the process. They're not creating. Death is their time to go and they're just processing. [00:55:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And death can be a metaphor. Physical death. It's like this part of your life needs to change. It's time to cut the cords. Like. Like, like say a divorce. [00:55:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:52] Speaker A: You know, so. Yep. So we're cutting the strings between you and this other person because you're ready to be. Be reborn in different relationships now. [00:56:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:01] Speaker A: So it's. Yeah. It's not just being. [00:56:03] Speaker C: Oh, which brings up a good point. So does that mean that you could connect with the norms? Maybe use help, ask for their energy to close certain chapters of your life? [00:56:13] Speaker B: I mean, I haven't done it. I. You probably could try. I don't know if they will. They're very like otherworldly and extremely mysterious. [00:56:25] Speaker C: Okay. [00:56:25] Speaker B: You know, there's been times where I've tried to like, ask them questions and they're like, you're not supposed to know. So, you know, I'm like, whatever. You could try it, see what happens. [00:56:37] Speaker A: Yeah. But they're also associated with the runes too. [00:56:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:56:42] Speaker A: We haven't even talked about runes. We've only got like a minute. Runes are a divination tool. Tool. Yep. They're like rocks with certain symbols on them that have. And that's what Odin wanted to learn about the runes so that he could forecast. And he could forecast fate. So there's. They're. They tie hand in hand. Well, I had a feeling this was going to be a topic that took us the whole hour. And there's more Norse gods, but we talked about the main ones and I would encourage you to look into them and how you can connect with them, because we're seeing the ties together. I'm at this point psychologically, I. I'd like to talk to Frigg. [00:57:26] Speaker C: Yeah. So we want to start with saying, thank you, Chris, for sharing your knowledge. Thank you for coming. And we love having just guests are willing to open up and especially a lot of our viewers are like, beginning. So this is great information. And again, I challenge every single one of you, especially if you haven't heard about the Norse gods, to really look them up. It's. It's such a. It all comes together, it all connects. It just once you actually get to really read about it. Makes sense, I guess, for lack of a better word. [00:57:58] Speaker A: And then if you want to find more about the. The Norn botanicals, now that you know what Norn are, and some of these other gods and goddesses, once again, Instagram, all one word. Tending to my wild. And thank you to Mystical Wares for sponsoring us too. Please Visit their website, www.iricalwares.com. [00:58:18] Speaker C: And don't forget to share. [00:58:20] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:58:20] Speaker C: Bye bye.