TAROT AS A TOOL OF PERSONAL GROWTH

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by three fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness. Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you are likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week. Join us as we spill the tea on what it is like to wake up to your authentic self. And this is Pamela. I'm here with. [00:00:29] Speaker B: I'm Lola Singer. [00:00:30] Speaker C: And I am Ameril. [00:00:32] Speaker A: And today we are going to be talking about. Actually, we're going to switch it up a little bit. We're interviewing Lola this time and we're talking about tarot and how it's a tool to be used on your spiritual path. [00:00:46] Speaker B: Tool for personal growth. It's the best tool I found for myself, so I get excited about it. [00:00:52] Speaker A: Yes. When I think of tarot, I think of Lola. So she is my, you know, my personal expert. I do daily spreads and sometimes I forget. But mostly it's the one thing that I've come back to where I do it pretty consistently. And it's such an interesting tool to use in the fact that it can provide so much information. But I don't know that a lot of people are aware of it or know that it is a tool to be used. So we thought, let's share Lola's knowledge and expertise. And we had some questions lined up. [00:01:30] Speaker B: And so, yeah, and before you ask the questions, I did want to bring up that, yes, it is a tool for personal growth. Absolutely. I think it's one of the best ways to shine a light on what's going on in your subconscious that you're not aware of. Right. By asking questions, specific questions, and then looking at the layout in regards to you and seeing, for example, there's certain cards that might go, oh, I wasn't expecting that. Looks like I'm kind of stuck. Like I'm in a mental state where I'm stuck. Now I need to watch my thinking so I can move beyond that. That's what I mean by using it as a tool of personal growth. But here's the weird thing, you guys, and you have to respect everybody because who's learned tarot in a unique way. Because some people have been taught never to do readings for themselves, which I think is a shame because this is the best way for me to find out what is hidden in my subconscious. So why wouldn't I use it as a tool for my personal growth? [00:02:32] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:02:33] Speaker B: It shows you. Sometimes they'll get a reading. Shows the great strides You've made forward. Sometimes it shows you where you're stuck. Like I said. I mean, what better way for you to learn about yourself than to have a story in front of you where if you're looking at it honestly and subjectively, you go, okay, I see what's going on here. I can see why I'm blocked, or I can see how things are progressing. So I don't know why people are taught not to do readings for themselves, other than I think it requires a very honest, objective look. And maybe some people are, you know, are not as open to just being real honest with themselves based on what they see in the cards. I don't know. I don't know. But anyway, I just wanted to bring that up. I respect every tarot reader and how they were trained. And it just surprises me how many have been taught not to read for themselves. [00:03:26] Speaker A: I didn't know that. So that's really interesting. Thank you for sharing that. I did have some questions, actually. [00:03:33] Speaker B: Okay, I'm on the hot seat now. She is. [00:03:35] Speaker A: I was like, are you ready for some. Some questions coming your way? I really find your journey fascinating, and particularly about how this has been like your. I would say this was your biggest tool that's helped you because you've been stuck with it for so long. Like so many times. We grow past our beginning tools or things that we used at the beginning. We grow and evolve and we try new things. This has been with you pretty consistently. When you say, did you start with that would guess be my question. Did. Did you have this at the beginning of your journey? [00:04:09] Speaker B: No, I was afraid to take tarot. [00:04:11] Speaker A: Okay, you were. [00:04:12] Speaker B: I lived in Seattle and I. There was a center, a spiritual center, and I used to go there for fairs. I was not doing fairs because I didn't have anything to share myself at that point. But I was going as a person who was talking to the psychics and the tarot readers at the fairs. Right. And they also had meetings every week where there'd be guest speaker about something spiritual. And I love that. And one of the people there was a guy named Eli. And I'd seen him as a guest speaker before talking about tarot. And I thought he was kind of loud and obnoxious and not particularly my cup of tea. And then one time I went to the fair and I decided to get a reading from him. And he was definitely loud and obnoxious and he was telling me things that were just like talking about this tree of life. I'm going, what? And then he kind of Went on this tangents about, you know, me that I wasn't really like, what, what? So I wasn't open to what he was telling me. So I kind of wrote him off. And so the spiritual center, at one point they had to close. [00:05:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:05:23] Speaker B: So there was only one class left to take in the entire schedule. And it was tarot with that guy. [00:05:29] Speaker A: Oh, of course, for weeks, like I. [00:05:33] Speaker B: Was thinking, should I take the very last thing that's being offer there or should I? Because I don't know. But it wasn't just. It wasn't just the teacher. It was because he's got a big personality and I wasn't ready for his big personality. But it was also my fear because I was deep in conspiracy theories at the time. And I was thinking, oh, there's all seeing eyes on the card. There's these Egyptian symbols. It's all Illuminati. It's, you know. So I was going through this. Do I want to take this class? Because I don't think they'd offer it at the center if it wasn't a good thing. But yet, I don't know. Tarot scary. You know, people say bad things about it. So I finally decided I have to face my fears. Okay. And I signed up for the class. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Was that it? Were you hooked the first class or. [00:06:23] Speaker B: Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, it was a pretty good sized class. And the. Yes. So let me kind of give you a little forecast forward. So I took that, started taking classes with Eli, who has been studying metaphysics and using the Toth Tarot deck specifically for more than 40 years. He's now in his 70s and I now have been taking classes with him for 13 years. [00:06:54] Speaker A: Wow. [00:06:55] Speaker B: Nonstop. So it never stopped. Because Tarot is a metaphysical science. So it's tied to esoteric studies of Kabbalah and numerology and astrology. So you'll find out there's planets and zodiac signs assigned to the cards. There's Gematria, which I don't really get into too much, but it's numbers based on letters of the Hebrew Alphabet that go with each card. There's codes for people who love to be like code breakers. There's codes like that for each card too. So the reason it's been 13 years isn't because you can't learn tarot in 13 years. It's because it takes you deeper and deeper into esoteric and metaphysical studies. And, you know, so there's no end to that. You can keep going as deep as you want to when you're with somebody who's been studying them for decades. So, anyway, going back to the class. Yeah, I love the class. It was fun. The people in the class were great. I learned to deal with Eli's personality. [00:08:04] Speaker A: Yes. [00:08:05] Speaker C: I was gonna say you must like him by now. [00:08:07] Speaker B: I do now. I do now. But, boy, I thought he was really off base when I got that first tarot reading, but that's because he was telling me things I didn't want to hear. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Oh, okay, okay. [00:08:18] Speaker B: Which goes back to you. Just. That's why the cards are good. Because when people ask me, how do you describe tarot? Like, I did this. I did this on Friday. I had someone who never had a tarot reading walk up to me, and I did tell her, it shines a light on what's in your subconscious so that you can look at it and make decisions on how you're going to respond to it now that you're aware of it. She goes, that's the best way I've ever heard it described. But I. You. But I usually also add that I call it a conversation with your higher self. So there's no fear involved. It's your. It's your higher self trying to speak through you with images. And the cards tell a story, depending on what kind of spread that you're using. So it's like I said, if you're willing to look at the information, you. You can learn a lot about yourself by doing tarot readings for yourself. [00:09:13] Speaker A: I love that one of my things that I wrote down here was your favorite thing about it. Is it because you can go so deep and it's. So. Yes, you can't. [00:09:24] Speaker B: It's. [00:09:25] Speaker A: It's a journey. It's like you don't let it down. It's. [00:09:27] Speaker B: It's. [00:09:28] Speaker A: With you, it's a part. It's become a part of you. [00:09:29] Speaker B: It becomes a tool. That's what I like about it becomes a tool because you know when. Once you're aware of something, you can change it if you want to. And Eli calls the card 78 Ways of Being Me. So no matter what card you're looking at, even if it's one, like, you go, oh, like, for example, excuse me, five of discs. Worry. Like, when you're worried, it's like, oh, I need to watch how I'm responding to things. [00:10:02] Speaker A: So my dad used to call me a worrywart. So guess what card I get quite a bit when I. [00:10:08] Speaker B: You get the 5 of discs, which would be pentacles. In most decks, I use the. I use the toth deck because that's the one that Eli specializes in. So for people who do know Tarot, the Toth deck is very respected because it's based on Western hermetic metaphysical knowledge. So it goes deep into alchemy and all kinds of fun occult stuff. And so some people are a little intimidated by it, but because it was the deck I learned on, I think it's the best deck to start with, because with the. With the Thoth deck, all the information's on the cards. They, the people who created the deck tried to put as much information on the cards as possible so that everybody had access to information that had been, for some reason, for some esoteric training has been hidden. Yep. So instead, their philosophy was, if it helps people and it helps mankind, let's show them as much as possible instead of keeping it secret. So I think it's easier to learn from the Thoth deck and then extrapolate to other decks than it is to go the other way. I teach tarot. As a matter of fact, I'm going to be teaching a tarot class in Mount Vernon, Washington, at Mystical Wares that starts on December 1st. If anybody's interested in more information about that, they can contact me at lola singer. Sorry, lolaightlanguagearts.com or if you go to the Woowooville page, I can post the Facebook event about it. I'm also going to be teaching in Stanwood, Washington, starting on December 15th, and that is going to be a night class on Monday nights. So if anyone's interested, let me know. The reason I bring that up is because in previous classes I taught, I had people bring whatever deck they wanted to. I said, you can bring your deck, but I'll teach off of the Toth deck. [00:12:10] Speaker A: Okay. [00:12:10] Speaker B: And so, like the first class, I just started showing things that were on the Toth deck, and they were trying to find the analogous cards in their deck. They go, it's not on mine. Even something as simple as the numbers that you normally see on certain cards, the numbers weren't there on some people's deck. So some Tarot decks are just pretty pictures. But every tarot deck has 78 cards, guys. So it's different than an oracle deck. An oracle deck can have as many cards as you want, and the cards can be about anything that the author chooses. Okay. Because this is a metaphysical science based on Kabbalah. There are always 78 cards in the Tarot deck, and they line up exactly to the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, which is the Tree of life Eli was talking about. When I had his first reading that, I had no idea what he was talking about. Now I know it's a diagram that shows pretty much as above. So below, you're going to have to trust me because I can't show you the picture, but you can look up Kabbalistic Tree of Life. And it also shows us two pillars on the tree. One is the pillar of Severity and the other is the pillar of Mercy. And that's showing us, like, if we wobble one direction, if it's a card that would be on the side of severity, for example, we're beating up on ourselves, then how do we counteract that? It would be the opposite card on the other side. So it would be on mercy on the tree. So they line up to this diagram, which is one of the occult secrets. I just told you one. [00:13:48] Speaker A: Well, you're also really good at knowing counterbalancing. Like, if you're in this what to. What to counterbalance. And I can see. Okay, part of your training here around tarot has helped you understand that as well. [00:14:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Because we always wobble in one direction, or if we're being too merciful to ourself, you know, we need a little kick in the bottom to get moving. [00:14:10] Speaker A: Right, Right. [00:14:11] Speaker B: So, yeah, it's. That's why it's such a good tool for personal growth. One of the things I did, I knew nothing about Tarot. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So I had no idea I was going to go deep into esoteric sciences. I thought it was going to be pretty cards, too. But Tarot always is dealing with elements of the earth. So you're going to find cards that depict fire, and those are the ones called wands. And that's going to be about being driven, being excited, being really sparked, and most importantly, applying your willpower. Then there's going to be water, represented by cups in Tarot, and that represents emotions and intuition, which makes sense because water, intuition and emotions all flow. Right. So masculine is going to be very fiery and the feminine is going to be very watery. That makes sense too. Right? [00:15:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Then air is the combination. And in Tarot, that's represented by swords, and swords represent the mind and thinking. And the way I describe that for students is that we cut through the air with a sword as fast as we change our mind, don't we? And then the last elements, pretty obvious, it's earth. So in my card that's called discs, but in most decks it's called pentacles. And that is going to be about manifesting. But it's also about enjoying the senses. Yeah. So this is why it ties into the zodiac. Can you see that now? Yeah. Because what do we have in the zodiac? We have fire signs. Right. [00:15:47] Speaker A: Like you. And it's funny because my fire sign does line up with my card. [00:15:52] Speaker B: Well, it does for most people, but we'll go into that in a minute. So the water signs. Right. The cancers, the Pisces, etc. And the Scorpio. And then the swords, like me, because I'm a Gemini. And then the disc would be people like the Tauruses. Right. Virgos. So can you see how I didn't know going into this that I was. We're going to work with these elements and we're also going to work with the zodiac because of the elements. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Right. So one of my questions is because someone might hear, hearing this maybe for the first time, this might be their introduction to Tarot. And specifically the deck that we're talking about. Can you talk about Toth a little bit? Like what they might be? Like what is that that she's saying? [00:16:37] Speaker B: Well, T h o T H is one of the Egyptian gods and he was the God of wisdom, among other things. And if you're pedantic, you can argue over how to pronounce Toth. Tothoth. Nobody speaks ancient Egyptian anymore. So one thing I forgot to mention about my teacher Eli is he's an ex cowboy from Montana, so his pronunciation is whatever a Montanan cowboy would pronounce it. So I always learn Toth. [00:17:09] Speaker A: Right? Right. [00:17:11] Speaker B: But yes, Egyptian scribe, great magician. So the Thoth deck is also got a lot of Egyptian iconography in it. But because the creators of the deck, the artist does beautiful work here, wanted to make the images have as much information on them as possible. Some of the cards actually stray from Egyptian iconography. They might use a Celtic image, for example, because it might convey the image better. Oh, I see. Like in the fool card, which is showing the God of springtime, Pan. So there's some cards that once you know the folklore, it'll make sense, but it's kind of mostly Egyptian, but with a little bit of other cultures thrown in depending on which image conveys the message the best. So they kind of borrowed from everything, but so when you get the Toth deck, you might expect it to be all Egyptian. It's a lot of Egyptian, but it's also a lot of other things too. [00:18:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:18:22] Speaker B: And I guess that's why people think it's difficult. [00:18:24] Speaker A: Okay. [00:18:25] Speaker B: But I love this deck. It was so heartbreaking to watch the students when I Did that class where they were learning from other decks, and I was showing them mine because I went, okay, I'm never doing this again. [00:18:38] Speaker A: This is much harder than I. [00:18:40] Speaker B: You can have your favorite deck. You can bring it in. But we're teaching off the top deck, all of us. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I imagine that would be very challenging. [00:18:48] Speaker C: What is this? Since we have you with explain about the Thoth deck. What is this about the Thoth deck being connected to mystery schools, like, information for mystery school that decided to kind of like, well, this is what I heard. I heard a little bird tell me that the thought deck is directly connecting to a mystery school that decided to rebel and decided to open up their knowledge and they brought out the thought deck. What are your thoughts on that? [00:19:18] Speaker B: Was that from Eli? Is he the bird? No, the bird. [00:19:23] Speaker C: You can't shoot the bird. [00:19:26] Speaker B: All right, so, yes. So the author and the. And the artist who designed the deck both were members of the Victorian Mystery schools in England. So with this mystery schools, you get initiated, right. So you learn a little, you know, you. You learn a little bit, then you become. You go to the next level, and then you learn a little more and you go to the next level. And they thought that was bullshit, because it's like, we have to go through all of these bells and whistles to learn this just so that we can deal with all these people with ego. Because you're at this level and I'm at this level. But they endured it. She went through the female version. He went through the male version of the Victorian Mystery schools. And they were both of like minds. It's like, this helps. This helps people learn about themselves. So why do we have to go through all these hoops to get the knowledge? So once they got the knowledge, they said, we're going to share it. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:33] Speaker B: So yes, they were members of the mystery school, but kind of by stealth. [00:20:37] Speaker A: And they were the rebels. They were like, we're not going to do it a little bit your way that you're making us do it. [00:20:43] Speaker B: And so the most popular Tarot deck is the Rider Waite deck, and that's also based on the Victorian mystery schools, but they are following the mystery school tenets, which is, we're not going to share this because certain people are not initiated. So we're not going to put it on the deck. Or from what I've heard, some of the cards are, like, backwards on purpose, but only the initiates would know that the image is backwards. [00:21:07] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:08] Speaker B: So you're not part of the club. So you don't know. [00:21:11] Speaker A: I see. [00:21:12] Speaker B: But both of those cards are based on Western hermetic mystery schools. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:17] Speaker C: So then what would you say, in your words, the difference is between the tarot and Oracle cards? [00:21:23] Speaker B: Well, I think we addressed that before. Tarot is a science. It's tied to metaphysics. Metaphysics? Meta means beyond. Beyond physics. It's still a science. It's the science of the day. That's why we're dealing with astrology. That's why we're dealing with numerology. That's why we're dealing with Gematria. That's why we're dealing with Kabbalah. So Oracle decks, it's free reign. [00:21:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:46] Speaker B: There's no rules, but there are specific rules because it's a science to the tarot. [00:21:52] Speaker A: I love that you work with so many people. You've been doing this for a long time. You are, I feel, an expert in your field. I. It's okay. You can own it, Lola. You work with a lot of people that are coming to you seeking answers, because they're often just awakening. And I imagine you see a common theme, or there's some things that you've noticed that are probably more prevalent than people who've been coming to you a little bit later and saying, because I know I came to you in the beginning, and I still come back to you farther down the line. What are some of the common themes that you see in the cards, specifically to somebody who's newly awakened on the path? [00:22:39] Speaker B: Oh, well, we didn't talk about the major and minor arcana yet. [00:22:42] Speaker A: Right. Okay. Okay. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Arcana means secret. So in tarot, there are 78 cards, 22 are called major arcana. So in my deck, and hopefully on most people's Tarot decks, those would have Roman numerals on the top. That's how you know they're major arcana, and they represent the path we're on on that diagram called the Tree of Life. So what path is it? Where are we heading? Okay, so these are highly spiritual cards, the minor Arcana. A lot of people discount the minor arcana, but it's just as important. It's what's going on on the path. So there are 52 of those cards, just like in a deck of playing cards. Right. Do you wondered where those 52 cards came from? Okay, so Eli likes to describe it as the major arcana is the path, and the minor arcana is the terrain on the path. Okay, so you might know there's a path, but will I need to bring my hiking boots, or do I Need to bring sandals, you know, that'd be the terrain. But I think a better way is also to keep in mind that the mage arcane is more subjective and the minor cana is more obvious objective. Okay. So I like to describe it as, okay, so the major arcane is the spiritual path, but what's going on on the path is how I like to describe the mind. So it's just important. It's just as important. So that's where you're going to get cards that might be giving you a direction, like, you know, mental defeat or, you know, pleasure, things like that. Okay. And then there's 16 cards that are. They have many different names, but they're all about personalities types. So they're either called archetype cards, they're called pip cards, they're called personality cards, and those represent real people. So for people new to tarot, most of the time, when you see a person on a tarot deck, regardless of who the artist is, it's representing energy. So it's the personification of energy that would be the major arcana. And if there's people on the minor arcana, for the 16 archetype cards, aka personality or pip cards, those are real people. So it's either someone you. Someone in your life, or one of the masks you're wearing. Okay. So those are real people being represented. So for the new people, I would often see a lot of the minor arcana cards because they're not on the highest spiritual path yet. So when you see a lot of major arcana, people have been working on themselves for a long time, generally. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't know that. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Generally. Yeah. [00:25:22] Speaker A: I was thinking about my journey with this and how I would see the same cards over and over, and I would get so frustrated because it would be like worry, defeat, indolence, debac. I mean, it would be like, I'm so tired of seeing these cards, you know, because it, to me, seemed discouraging and confirming where I was at. [00:25:41] Speaker B: But see, this is why I'm going back to why I think some people are told not to read their own tarot cards. Okay. Because if you see a card, you know, like, defeat five of swords, okay. And you're saying, oh, defeat. I don't want to see defeat in my reading. They tend to tend to edit it. [00:25:59] Speaker A: Right. [00:26:00] Speaker B: Or ignore it by choice. Right, right. But that's not really going. But if you take a really good, honest look at it, you can learn from it, so. Absolutely. So if you see the five of swords, we know swords are thoughts so go. Okay. What? What kind of okay, Come to Jesus, Lola. Come to Jesus, Lola. What kind of defeated thoughts have you been harboring? Okay, and then you have to take an honest look and say, do I want to keep having those defeatist thoughts or do I want to shift those defeatist thoughts? This is why it's a wonderful tool for self growth. I love that. So no card is bad. It just makes you aware of what you weren't aware of before. It's like, oh, I'm feeling defeated lately. Okay, so where did that come from? Okay, how can I look at. Then you do your shadow work. How can I Heal this right. [00:26:50] Speaker A: 100%. And see, I was having a hard time seeing the shadows. You know, oh, there's a death going on. Okay, well, I'm tired of seeing death. You know, I want to see something. You know, you want to come out of it. You're like, when you keep seeing those over and over you. I would get impatient and be like. [00:27:06] Speaker B: But how are you going to get out of it till you know it is even there so that you can make a cognitive choice to change? [00:27:13] Speaker A: Exactly. I just would get like, no, we're still in it. But really it was just mirroring back to me. Showing me exactly what was going on gives you a pulse of the subconscious and conscious. So we haven't even got into that part yet. But I love how much information is on the cards. To me, learning it was intimidating because there was so much to learn that it felt a bit like, am I ever gonna get there? [00:27:41] Speaker B: Yeah, but that's why I tell people it's like learning the piano. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:44] Speaker B: You know, so when I started, I didn't know anything. So I would bring my book to work and offer people so I could learn tarot readings. But with the, you know, I wasn't charging them because I was learning it. So it was. It's like. But I'm going to be reading it in my book to learn. So if you're open to that, I want, you know, so most people don't want anything to do with tarot, but there were two people at work who thought that's kind of cool. So every once in a while they'd ask me for one. It's like, okay, fine, but I bring in my book. So I mean, how do you. How do you get to be good at anything you have? You have to start. [00:28:20] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:28:20] Speaker B: And then you practice. [00:28:21] Speaker C: So that brings to this question, so how long did. Does it take for a beginner tarot student to be efficient in tarot? [00:28:29] Speaker B: Depends how much they're willing to work, but. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Oh, say. So let's just break it down into, like, a student that comes in once every two weeks. [00:28:40] Speaker B: That would be a basic beginning. Just intro. [00:28:44] Speaker C: Okay. [00:28:44] Speaker A: And you think, like, six months to. They could maybe. I know it's so hard to maybe answer that, because each person, some people have a natural if they're drawn to it, because I've seen this with one of my close friends. She just was like, you know, Lisa, you're a longtime student. So she. I could feel the passion. She would talk to me about it, and I could feel all this energy. And it's like, you have done something with this before or you have something I don't quite have yet, but it was her passion. So she was like, I love having this one on one session with Lola, and I get to see and understand so much. So she really valued your experience, your expertise, your insights. But there was also something from her really pulling her to this tool. And at the time, I was, like, happy with the other decks that I was using. But now that I'm farther down the path, I'm coming back to these and going, I want it. So you can change. You can definitely change. But I see with some people who are really dedicated and maybe have done that, use this before or like, in past lives. Yeah. Like a knowledge that's coming back to them, they're going to maybe study it more. They're going to maybe pick it up faster. So I get that it's hard to judge, but do you think, like, for an average person that doesn't have, like, a really. Just, like, I'm interested, I want to learn. Do you think, like, six months, they could feel pretty confident if with weekly or monthly. [00:30:11] Speaker B: I really can't say. That's why my toy work classes are set up to go as long as the students want to go. [00:30:17] Speaker A: Okay. [00:30:17] Speaker B: So I think you could do well before six months. It just depends on the person and whether they want to practice or not. Just like learning the piano. The kid who doesn't practice the piano, the teacher's going to have to talk to them at a different level than the one that does practice, even though they started at the same time. [00:30:34] Speaker A: Good point. Really good point. [00:30:36] Speaker B: So typically, what happens with my classes is people can go as long as they want to. I just honor whenever the students feel like they're done. And some people just want to keep going, like Lisa. And other people are like, okay, I got a taste of it, found out it was more work than I thought it was. Going to be. So, yeah, I don't want to invest the work in it, so I'm going to go. Okay. I don't force people to stay, but the ones who really want to keep going, you can keep going. And that's why I've been with Eli for 13 years. Because it's going to take you to this layer and that layer and that layer and that layer. Just depends on how deep people want to go, too. [00:31:15] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:31:16] Speaker C: So what is your favorite spread and why? [00:31:20] Speaker B: Well, it's the one almost everybody learns. It's supposed to be the oldest tarot spread ever. It's called the Celtic Cross, and anybody who reads tarot, they probably are familiar with it because it gives a snapshot based on a question of what's going on right now. And then there's four cards at the end that show you what's likely to happen if you keep going the way you are. So what I like about it is, first you get this awareness of what's going on, right? And so if you saw something like mental defeat in that, it's like, okay, I'm aware that I'm dealing with mental feat, so what's good if I keep going the way I'm in, even though defeats in the card, where am I headed? If you like what you see in the cards, the last four cards, and it's great, you're already working in the direction you wanted to go. If there's something there you didn't want to see, like maybe the card before defeat, mental truth, right? Oh, feeling stuck mentally, it's like, okay, so now I'm aware of it. So once again, I'm going to watch my thoughts, right? [00:32:21] Speaker A: And if I don't shift. [00:32:22] Speaker B: If you had Five of Cups disappointment, it'd be a warning that, you know, it's like an awareness that, oh, I'm going to expect something. So I need to watch my expectations because I'm going to be disappointed that those expectations are not going to be met. Likewise, you can see great things. The sun is the best card in the tarot deck because it represents perfect balance and harmony. They call that beauty on the tree of Life. But really, beauty means harmony. So when you get the sun card, or any card that has a representation of the sun, like a yellow background, you know, sky, and some of the cards, it's like, go, great. The sun. So if you saw that, if you saw love in the future, you know, if you saw abundance in the future, you'd be like, okay, good, I'm heading the right direction. So it Can. It's not just, it's not just pointing out potential problem. It's. It's pointing out sometimes a great big thumbs up from your higher self going, yeah, she's got it, she's doing great. Let's, let's keep going. [00:33:16] Speaker C: Right now when you do a red, like let's say you are reading for someone and you do a spread and stuff. How, how solid is it, would you say? Meaning, like what could the person do to change that completely? Like complete spread of what it is. [00:33:36] Speaker B: All it takes is willpower. You have to have that self awareness first. And then they, if they choose to make a change, they can change in many different ways. They can shift their feelings about something. They can work on shifting their feelings, they can work on shifting their thoughts. They can physically remove themselves because there's some cards about physicality. They could change their diet, for example. There's all kinds of things. [00:34:00] Speaker A: One of my questions is around the birth card and I was hoping you could share since you know the birth cards for Ameril and myself and yourself. I thought you could share because someone who might not be like ready for a spread but like learning more about themselves because there's like you said, a major and a minor arcana that can be associated to your birthdate and what you're here to learn. [00:34:25] Speaker B: Well, I'm going to correct you because the main one is going to be the archetype card. Okay. It's going to tell you about your personality and what you came to master when you incarnated this time around. So when people oftentimes they want to know, you know, am I, am I on the right path? I can look at their birthday card and do a reading based on their can't speak with the birthday card being the first card in the reading because the birthday card tells me what they're, what they wanted to learn this time around. Okay, okay. So for example, well, let's do yours. Okay, so remember, there are 16 cards that represent real people. That's what we're talking about here. So yours is the Queen of Wands. The Queen of Wands is about confidence and being courageous and totally sure of herself. She, Wands are fire, so she's an Aries card and she's sitting on a throne of fire on a volcano in my deck. And she's got her hand on a leopard. And the leopard represents her ego, her animal nature. And the ego is associated with subconscious fears. So she's got her hand on the leopard because she's totally confident. So she's in control of her subconscious fears. And that's why somebody with that car this time round in their life, based on whatever they learned in past lives or didn't learn in past lives, they come back and go, this time, I really want to master being confident, knowing who I am, and not letting my fears rule me. Okay. [00:36:03] Speaker A: I remember being like, okay, that makes sense. Especially when you feel like I'm not so working through these things. [00:36:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Because that's coming here to master. Yeah. Yeah. You might do it this lifetime. You might come back as that zodiac sign another time. Right. [00:36:20] Speaker A: So if my minor arcane is valor. [00:36:25] Speaker B: Mm. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Can you speak to that? [00:36:27] Speaker B: Valor is personal courage. So, yes. If this is based on a diagram that I can't show the people, but there's spokes on the diagram that. And her card lines up to valor as well. So she has to learn to master personal courage, which goes very well with the queen of wands, doesn't it? [00:36:45] Speaker A: Yes, it does. [00:36:46] Speaker C: Okay, what does the bird represent on top of the head? [00:36:50] Speaker B: Is there. Oh, that's the eagle. Yeah. Yeah. [00:36:53] Speaker C: Okay. [00:36:53] Speaker B: That's the standard that represents the mastery in the Egyptian mystery schools. [00:36:58] Speaker C: Okay. [00:36:59] Speaker A: Okay. [00:37:00] Speaker B: So it's actually. It's. Sorry, it's not an eagle. It's. It's the wings of Horus. Okay. Awesome. People can't see these cards, so I don't want to go into too much detail of what's on the cards. [00:37:10] Speaker C: I just, like, spotted. And I was like, oh, I wonder what that represents. [00:37:13] Speaker B: See, that's why you should sign up for my class. [00:37:15] Speaker A: Exactly. This is why. Because you can learn a lot about yourself and what you came down here to. [00:37:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's why I love these personality cards. Because, you know, if I start with that and I go see how much I know about you with just one card, they're like, wow, that is me. [00:37:31] Speaker A: Does that resonate? [00:37:33] Speaker B: Okay. Emeril is a Scorpio, and he is the Prince of Cups, which I think in most decks is the knight, and he's coming down on a chariot with an eagle and an eagle helmet. And the chariot has an eagle on the facade, and the eagle is the rising sign of a Scorpio. So Scorpios can either be the nasty little stinging Scorpio, or they can raise themselves above that base nature, become masters of their emotions, and not allow their emotions to master them. And that's what his card is about. How even though I have a tendency as a Scorpio to maybe prejudge people and try to strike at them before they strike at me. I'm going to my. What I want to master is rising above that. [00:38:23] Speaker A: Okay, that's good. And yours? [00:38:27] Speaker B: I'm an air sign. My card's a Gemini card, and it's the Knight of Swords, and it's a king, probably in most decks. And he's coming from the heavens and riding a golden steed, and he's got swords in his hands, and he actually represents Mercury. He's bringing a message from on high down to Earth, and he's flying over water to get to Earth. Right, the great subconscious. The great unknown. [00:38:55] Speaker A: The great unknown, yes. [00:38:57] Speaker B: Keep talking about that subconscious, don't I? Okay. But the reason he's flying over water rather than land, and on top of it being the subconscious is that he is trying to master his thinking, and he's learning that emotions affect your thinking and thinking affects your emotions. So he's learning how to balance that. [00:39:17] Speaker A: And would you say that that feels very true to your story? [00:39:21] Speaker B: Well, he also can get misdirected really easily, too, as a typical Gemini. So he's got, like, these dragon wing things on top of his helmet, and they say north, south, east, and west on it. So the minute his emotions affect his thinking, he could shift into a whole different direction he wasn't planning to go. If his thoughts are affecting his emotions, it could shift him another way. So that's how Geminis operate. Our mind is so fast. It is like a dragonfly. So we really have to watch our thinking. And, yes, I definitely know that it's a very rational sign, but we recognize we just don't deal with emotions as well as other signs, so they can throw us off. Okay. Yeah. So that would be part of my mastery. Yeah. [00:40:07] Speaker C: Sorry. On this one, I've noticed one thing, and I don't think I've ever noticed before. I've noticed that. [00:40:12] Speaker B: Is this your birthday card? [00:40:13] Speaker C: Yes. So I've noticed that both the eagle and the guy are looking down into the water. [00:40:21] Speaker B: Yes, he's looking. Well, he's looking into the cup. [00:40:23] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:40:24] Speaker B: Right. Do you see the snake in the cup? Oh, yeah, I did see what happens when a snake's in a cup in Victorian terms? [00:40:31] Speaker C: I do not know. [00:40:32] Speaker B: Would that be masculine and feminine coming together? [00:40:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Okay. So he's. Yes, he's. He's. He's also the most passionate card in the deck. So he knows how to work with the feminine energy. He's all man, but he knows how to deal with. Which means he knows how to deal with his emotions. [00:40:53] Speaker A: Right. [00:40:54] Speaker B: Okay. [00:40:54] Speaker A: That lines up both sides. Of it. Do you have a favorite card? [00:40:58] Speaker C: Yeah, that was one of my questions. What's your favorite? [00:41:00] Speaker B: Oh, I like. I want Pam's birthday card. The Queen of Wands. I love her. We already talked about her. I just think she's formidable. I just think she is great. [00:41:08] Speaker C: Okay, here's a question for you. What is the most misunderstood card in the deck? And why? [00:41:15] Speaker B: Death. [00:41:16] Speaker C: Death? You mean I'm gonna die? [00:41:20] Speaker B: For people who are new to tarot, they see that death card, they're. You can see their eyes go, whoa. What? So I always explain this. I hold it to my. My heart and I go, this is one of the best cards in the deck. Trust me. So death is always death. Always, Always. Always represents birth at the same time. So in this particular deck, it's a skeleton swinging a scythe, but every time he swings the scythe, new bodies of life are being born. So the idea is that it's never just death, it's always rebirth. So it's actually card of spiritual death. It is not physical death, but people seeing it are going to go, what? What? Death? No, it's like, no, great. That means you're shifting, changing and growing. You, Phoenix, you're a whole new person. You worked hard on yourself. You faced your shadow, you've grown. You face death, and then you moved on. You let go of what needed to go. Now you're a new person. It's fantastic. I love the death card. I want it in every reading. I love it. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it has this black skeleton. And I remember when I first saw it, I was like, oh, you know. [00:42:31] Speaker B: Yeah, and hanged man as well. People, when they see the term hanged man, but the hanged man is looking at something from a different perspective, right. Which is also kind of a rebirth, right. We're looking at things in a new way. [00:42:41] Speaker C: So what about those religious programmable people that come to you and they, like, sit down and they're like, about to get this reading, and then the first card that comes out is the devil card. [00:42:52] Speaker B: That has not happened. First of all, those people normally will not get a tarot reading. But I have had skeptics and I've had people. They won't tell me what they want to ask about, for example. So I'll do the reading and I'll tell them what I'm seeing. I've had people who are challenging me on purpose. And one time, our friend Billy witnessed me handling someone like that. And she did. She was just like. It wasn't only show me. It was like. It was confrontative, kind of show me. Right? And I was like, okay, well, I'm just gonna be as nice as possible, and I'm gonna do her reading, and I'm going to show her what I'm seeing. And Billy, after I was done, he goes, I can't believe how masterful you were handling her. I go, I just was. I wasn't going to go to that level if she wanted. I didn't force her to get a reading, you know, because she challenged me, and I wasn't trying to force her to get a reading at all. But then she decided to, okay, maybe because I wasn't challenging her, right? It's like, yeah, if you want to, you know. And then one thing I can say about me, and I'm not good at tooting my own horn, but I do like to point out what I'm seeing in each card and how I'm seeing the story. So I notice some tarot readers, you know, like, especially, like, online, you know, they throw the cards down and they say something. I like to show people what I'm seeing so they can. They can see the journey, right. And I think that impressed her because I, you know, okay, this is here for. And this symbol's here for this reason. And look at how they're connected to this with. [00:44:26] Speaker A: You know, that is one thing that I think does also set you apart as a reader is with your psychic gifts and channeling, is that you're not just pointing out what's obvious to. To you as your knowledge of, oh, this is. This. This is that you are weaving together a story and you're saying information and words that clicks with what's going on in the reading. So you really feel like I'm speaking for myself. Is that one. I felt like, yes, you're nailing it down exactly what's going on. But also you're seeing a picture that other people maybe aren't aware of what's going on. So I feel very seen and valued. And when you can put the words to what's going on and also make the person feel seen in their. Their struggle, their challenge, whatever that is going on, it's like, oh, okay, I'm not alone in this. And I think you're really good at that. And then also leaving that message of hope of, like, you know, you're. You know, you're very encouraging. So I just feel like you walk away with some really good information, some insight, some tools, and also support and that feeling of somebody that, you know, really cares about you and your journey and things that you can do and adjust to make it better. So it's like you get so much from it that I can see why people stick with it because it's so valuable and personalized to where you're at. [00:46:01] Speaker B: Very personal. Yes. And I always tell people, I don't make. I don't make up the story. I just tell you what I'm seeing, you know, But I get so. So, yeah. So number one. Yeah. I try to find words that make very difficult to describe. Esoteric knowledge. [00:46:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:46:20] Speaker B: Understandable and approachable, which is very difficult when you're dealing with things like alchemy. But I've tried my best and I try to make it, you know, as understandable as possible for people. That's. I think that was my retail training. I. I've learned how to speak to people at whatever their level. [00:46:38] Speaker A: I was just going to say you meet people where they're at. So I do see you change your wording according to where you feel like, okay, you'll. I could see you processing the words and using words that will speak to that person where they're at, but then use different words based on somebody else because you know that again, that. I think that's your intuition. Plus you have a huge vocabulary array. So I. You usually. [00:47:00] Speaker B: I'm educated. [00:47:02] Speaker A: Yes. So I'll be like, oh, what's that word that she just threw out? I love it because I always learn something new with you. [00:47:11] Speaker B: Guilty. [00:47:12] Speaker C: It's interesting because, well, obviously I've been there when you've had many readings and I actually like when we worked together at the alchemy fair, there was a few people that came in and they would just like start crying because obviously it's like a deep reading. Obviously it's connecting with them. It's really making them realize. [00:47:31] Speaker B: Yeah, they feel it in the heart. [00:47:33] Speaker C: And so immediately the thing will be an intuitive. Myself I see what's going on where like they're obviously connecting from a heart space. It's just part of them that it's really like affecting them. And then you go into like switching it and then you always give them. Give them hope. Which is really cool because I'm like. It's like she shifts the energy into like explaining the cards, but also not taking it as like, oh, this is your death sentence. It's more like, okay, that is what posting. But I see here and these other cards that, I mean this is shifting and it's up to you. But what I see is this are other options for you. And I always find even like the person that's going through the most crying. Like they just kind of get up really encouraged. So that's actually quite fascinating. [00:48:25] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, you've hit the mark when the tears come. And I've had readings where I've cried Bruno for tears too. But also I've had readings where I'm so excited for people because I see how hard they've worked and these cards are fantastic and look where you're headed. [00:48:40] Speaker C: Stop talking about me. [00:48:41] Speaker B: I'm just kidding. I get so excited that I forget about getting paid. I'm just so happy to deliver the message. Total gratification right there. [00:48:56] Speaker A: Well, it's got to feel really good to be able to use all of your knowledge and experience and your gifts and kind of pull them all together in this way. Because you are shifting energy. There is that energy healing modality that comes through, I think, through a reading with you. So I really think that anybody who is also wanting. You're very objective and loving and heart centered, but also able to relay a message and stay on that. I don't know. It's like there's so much goes into a reading with you. I'm trying to help people understand how helpful this tool can be, especially when you're in the middle of something and you might not know, like, what is going on here. And that's why I think it's so helpful, because when you're in it, it's hard to see. [00:49:43] Speaker B: Oh, that leads me to something I wanted to bring up earlier with one of your questions. The type of readings I often get. Now, this is interesting because I was trained with my friend Grace Sequoyah at the same time, and we both stuck with Eli for 13 years. Wow. And we've noticed that certain people go to Grace for certain questions and certain people come to me. [00:50:04] Speaker A: Oh. [00:50:05] Speaker B: So she consistently draws in the women who are starting a fresh life, oftentimes after a divorce or they've left situation that wasn't so great. Oh, that's my cat making noise in the background. Guys. That's her collar. I tend to attract people whose Kundalini has been awoken. So I get to tell people all about Kundalini a lot because I see it in the cards. I can see there's certain cards that represent Kundalini rising. And it's like, oh, I bet there's times you feel like you have been shaken up like a pop can. Okay. So it's interesting. And I'm sure that's other people who read tarot can relate to that too. That. Yes. You get general readings. But there tends to be somehow I'm the one people are drawn to for Kundalini. Learning about Kundalini. She's the one drawn to. People are drawn to. For helping with women to shift. So it's interesting because you might have a little subspecialty that you didn't even know you had until you start reading. [00:51:06] Speaker A: Right. Yeah, I, I just think it's a wonderful tool and to walk away with that knowledge and also message of hope. It's, you know, like for you. Like you were saying, you get excited when you see, you know, the, what they've been going through. It's like, especially for people who have been very solo. They're not sharing this with friends. They've been very isolated. And then you go in and you're validating like, wow, things have been really, you know, and you're asking them questions and you're, you're getting to know them. But. And I think that's where the tears come from is because a lot of times people are, you know, feeling like they're alone on their journey and no one is getting that. And then all of a sudden you come in and you're like really validating it. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Yes, I got, it was so cool. I got to do that on Friday with someone. And it was like, oh my goodness. You have been doing your shadow work. You have been doing a lot of looking at yourself, doing a lot of forgiveness of yourself and others, looking at things that you were once ashamed of. I can see it clearly. And she was just shocked that I could see that, you know, wow. I don't see cards like this. And so somebody's been doing a lot of inner work. So. Yeah. [00:52:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:22] Speaker C: Another thing too that you were like, you've told me before, but it was really interesting because you were telling me how something is about asking the right questions. Because when you're trying to ask something from Tarot, it's like you have to see like different possibilities and ask more like an open ended question rather than just a yes or a no. [00:52:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, yes or no doesn't really give you nuances to work with, does it? I mean, it gives you something. But yeah, I help guide people to a question. Plus on top of it, some people have really tricky spirit guides who just will not give an easy answer to anything. So it's like then we have to sit there and let's try to out think your guide. You know, certain teachers point you to. That means they're a good teacher. They point you to something that they don't give you the information. So I've had some readings where I'll do like a reading ago. I'm going to give you a bonus reading because I'm not satisfied with this. Your guides are not giving you the answer. I know that you want. So let's see if we can out out think it and come up with a new question based on what I think you want to find out. I just got truth bumps saying that. So, yeah, that. That's when I do that. It's like, yeah, I. I will do a bonus reading for people if I go, you know, your guys are not cooperating, and I don't like that. We're gonna. We're gonna go around the back door and see if we can make this work. Well, and that's the right question. [00:53:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's also what makes you good. Because you're excited. Experience and expertise has helped you to learn. You know, you're not satisfied with that. You don't want. You want a certain outcome or a certain feeling or something. [00:53:57] Speaker B: You want an answer that isn't vague. [00:54:00] Speaker A: Right. [00:54:00] Speaker B: And sometimes these guides give you a vague answer, and it's like, I'm. No, I'm not putting up with that, homie. [00:54:06] Speaker A: To play that. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Hold my beer. [00:54:10] Speaker A: We're going in. [00:54:11] Speaker C: And I also want to add, for those of you listening, she can do readings online. So just. If you don't live around this area, I would highly encourage you to book an appointment with her because she is very thorough, she is very caring, she's really connected from a heart space, and she's intuitive enough that I can assure you that anything you're struggling with, she will answer you. [00:54:36] Speaker A: So. And speaking of questions, do you get. Do you. Do you get most your sessions where people are coming to you with questions, or do they come and say, I just want a reading. I just, you know, they're feeling drawn to a reading. Maybe they don't know why, and they'll just say, I just kind of want to see what the cards say. Does that happen very often? [00:54:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's about half and half. [00:54:55] Speaker A: Is it okay? Yeah, because sometimes you don't know what you to even ask. [00:55:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:01] Speaker A: So that's like, I'm just open to a message. [00:55:03] Speaker B: Because remember I told you I call it a conversation with your higher self. [00:55:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:55:06] Speaker B: When people don't know, I go, this is what I suggest you ask. What's the most important thing my higher self wants to tell me right now? [00:55:13] Speaker A: Oh, that's a good one. [00:55:14] Speaker B: Mm. [00:55:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:16] Speaker C: Because that definitely will. [00:55:17] Speaker B: Sometimes it's something you weren't aware of and sometimes it's validation. [00:55:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I like that. [00:55:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:22] Speaker A: Do you get a lot of questions around relationships? [00:55:26] Speaker B: Yes and no. I think I have kind of put up a barrier because they're. And if it's. If it's a good legitimate relationship question. Yes. But if it's someone wants to know about like some cheating boyfriend, I don't get those people don't come to me. I think I put out the vibe, like, go to somebody else. Okay. I don't want to get involved in that kind of drop drama. [00:55:49] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:55:50] Speaker B: If it's, you know, other things. Yes. I can do relationship readings. I. And I've had some that. Where it's like, you guys are soul mates. Oh my gosh. Must have. You must have been magnets to each other when you met. So I can see that. I tend to get, I think, the quality people asking for relationships. I think I've just put it out to the universe. It's like, do not send me any cheating spouse questions. I don't want it, so I don't get it. [00:56:14] Speaker A: Or is this person, you know, my person forever? And it's like that brings up a whole thing of, Yeah, I don't. [00:56:22] Speaker B: I think I've just put the preference out there, universe. I prefer not to have those people come to me. [00:56:27] Speaker C: So there's no, like, hey, I hook up with this guy last night. Is he the one? [00:56:35] Speaker B: Maybe you can see lola's face. Maybe 1 to 5% might sneak under my radar and ask that question. But very rarely, very rarely. [00:56:49] Speaker A: Oh my gosh. Do you see yourself ever stopping? [00:56:54] Speaker B: Why would you stop? [00:56:55] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:56:55] Speaker B: That's why I've been with this esoteric teacher for 13 years. There's more layers and more layers and more for me to learn about myself. [00:57:03] Speaker A: Would you say this is your single most tool that's taught you the most about yourself? [00:57:07] Speaker B: Yes, for me it is. That's why I'm a big proponent of it. And I haven't taught in person for a long time, so just wanted to bring that up again because I was teaching around 2020 and I had to stop and I don't think I've gone. I had one class that was in person. After that was a very small group. So if anyone's interested in learning from me in person. Like I said, mystical wears. Sundays, 2:00, it's every other week. And the cost is $44 for an hour and a half. I would suspect we might sneak into two hours with classes. But yeah, if you can come just show up at Mystical Wares that day and we'll get you all set up. [00:57:50] Speaker A: How do you work with people at varying levels? Because it's like some people. [00:57:54] Speaker B: Well, that's the thing. You just have to find out who's coming to the classes. [00:57:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:57:57] Speaker B: Yeah. And try to work with everybody you know. But of course there's basics you need to know, like 78 cards and major and minor arcana and things like that. And then the one in Stanwood starts on. Okay, so mystical wears December 1st, Stanwood, 7:00. No, sorry, 6:30 starts at 6:30 at night starting the 15th of December. And I have Facebook events for both of those. So if you're interested in that, you could go to Facebook and punch in beginning toth tarot and they should both come up. [00:58:29] Speaker C: And how often do these run? Like, meaning like, is it like every week? Every couple weeks? [00:58:34] Speaker B: Like how is it's every other week? Because I've had students who wanted to meet weekly before and they get overwhelmed because it's a lot to learn and a lot to assimilate. And there's energetic stuff going on too, as you talked about. Right. So then they eventually went, can we do every two weeks? So that's what I was doing normally. [00:58:53] Speaker A: Right. [00:58:54] Speaker B: So I kind of broke the mold once a week because these certain group requested it. But even they decided every two weeks would be better, so. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Well, I know that we have all learned a lot in this episode and we thank you and honor your gifts in this. I know you've helped me tremendously when I especially I think when you're going through a very hard time, this is a perfect time to get that extra help and perspective because when you're in it, it's hard to see what's going on. And you can feel your passion and knowledge come through in your sincerity of really wanting to help your client. And I know that I'm just super appreciative of your gifts. [00:59:36] Speaker C: I also feel that especially because you're doing the teaching, the keys to a excellent teacher is when they themselves don't stop learning, which I truly admire from you. And I think that it's that passion that you're transmuting to those students. So whoever decides to sign up, it's going to be really lucky to have you as a teacher. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:59:57] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:59:57] Speaker B: And then. Oh, I also do readings at Mystical Wares on Fridays. It's going to be from 11 to 4 every Friday. And I'm at their metaphysical fairs every other Saturday that be on their calendar. In Mount Vernon and like. And online. And online@lola singer.com you can get information about that. [01:00:17] Speaker A: Well, thank you so much for everybody tuning in. Thank you, Lola, for letting us rapid fire some questions your way and sharing your talents with us. We hope you guys learned a little bit more about the tarot deck and how this can be a useful tool on your journey. [01:00:33] Speaker B: Thanks, everyone. [01:00:35] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:00:36] Speaker A: Bye.