Episode 11

December 05, 2024

00:58:36

PSYCHIC SKILLS: "THE CLAIRS"

Hosted by

Lola Singer Amaral Valle-Torres Pamela Brown
PSYCHIC SKILLS: "THE CLAIRS"
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PSYCHIC SKILLS: "THE CLAIRS"

Dec 05 2024 | 00:58:36

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Most people associate being intuitive with being "clairvoyant", having "clear visions" but did you know there are many more ways to tap into your psychic skills in addition to seeing?

In this episode, Pamela, Amaral, and Lola discuss a wide variety of psychic "clairs", some of which come more naturally to people than others, but all of them can be developed with determination, practice, and time. These include clairaudience ("clear hearing"), claircognizance ("clear knowing") clairsentience ("clear feelings") ... and more!

We introduce you to additional psychic abilities such as mediumship, light language, automatic writing and astral travel in order to help you discover what cokes naturally to you.

If you have enver wondered what source of information psychics are tapping into on the road to Woo-Woo-Ville, this is the episode for you.

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by three fellow travelers, Lola, Ameril, and Pamela, who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness. Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you are likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week. Join us as we spill the tea on what it is like to wake up to your higher, authentic self. I'm Pamela. [00:00:30] Speaker B: I am Lola. [00:00:31] Speaker C: And I am Ameril. [00:00:33] Speaker B: And this week we are talking about the clairs, which some of us may be new to that term because there are many clairs when it comes to being in the intuitive world. You kind of think that the top, the one you see the most is clairvoyance. Right? Everybody's heard that word, right? And they've seen the movies and the TV shows where the psychic is putting his or her hands to his, you know, the temples on their forehead and going, I see this, I see that, I see this, I see that. Well, that's clairvoyance. I'm sure most of you know those, but there's more clairs to talk about, and that's what we're going to do today, too. And I am an intuitive. My name is Lola Singer. I do spirit guide drawings, and I also read tarot. And that requires you to trust your intuition as well. So I've been doing that professionally for quite a few years now. And Pamela, you use your Claire's as well. We'll go into the specific clairs in a minute. Because she's a shaman, so she. She goes deep into the unknown. And Amaral, you're our favorite intuitive hairstylist. He. He picks up on information when he's touching people's heads. Just me? [00:01:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:56] Speaker C: I would. I would say the label would be aur article, most soothing label for it. But we're going to go over the technical names and what each one of them are, and just based off our experience, what we like people that we know, even if we don't have those Claire's ourselves, they just know describe what they are. Also, a lot of this time, a lot of the time that people talk about psychic gifts, that's a form of Claire's too, just to clarify. [00:02:25] Speaker B: Yes. Okay. Yes. [00:02:28] Speaker A: So, and clair means clear. Clear in French. Yes. [00:02:31] Speaker C: Okay. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Yes. So clairvoyance, right, would be clear seeing, clear vision. So let's start with that one, because most people know about it. Oh, by the way, some people are born with these psychic skills and they've had them all their lives. Whoa. My voice just cracked. And other people develop them at some point in their life. You should. When they have committed themselves to the path to Woo Wooville on the road to Woo Wooville. [00:02:58] Speaker A: And sometimes it happens, they open up during an extreme event such as mine when I was had a near death experience. So sometimes it's you're picking and choosing, saying, hey, I want to connect to my spiritual higher self side. And sometimes life events will come in and intercede to get the ball rolling. [00:03:17] Speaker B: I actually know someone who's Claire. Claire's opened up when she was waiting for police to arrive at a car accident. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Wow. [00:03:24] Speaker B: All of a sudden she could hear a horse talking to her. The horse that was nearby? Yeah. [00:03:28] Speaker A: Oh, that must have been unsettling to say like what's going on my Dr. Doolittle right now? [00:03:36] Speaker B: I think the horse was actually probably the calmest thing going on at the moment. [00:03:41] Speaker A: And horses are great healers, so that doesn't support. [00:03:45] Speaker C: I think I also want to add in this part is that the Claire's are also like a muscle. So the more you find your true self, the more these gifts come on. And sometimes people have more than one gift. They're just stronger than certain ones. But everything can be worked as a muscle. [00:04:02] Speaker B: Yeah. That's why I call them psychic skills. You can develop your skills. So even if you weren't born with these, you have the capacity to tap into these skills and to keep working with them. Because just like playing the piano, it takes practice. It takes practice. So let's go back to clairvoyance, seeing clearly. It's interesting because I mentioned earlier that I draw spirit guides and clairvoyance is not my top skill. I guess I'll go ahead and spill the beans. I'm more of a feeler. So feel the guides for the most part. But sometimes when I'm doing a drawing, they'll give me a little glimpse of something visual. So I'll see like a mustache or I'll see a medallion that needs to be drawn, a symbol or I'll see. They'll just give me a flash of like. I remember I did a drawing for our friend Kelly and it was like a horse master. So he had this special outfit to wear. [00:05:07] Speaker A: Right. [00:05:07] Speaker B: Like a decage type horse. [00:05:10] Speaker A: So when you're connecting, you're seeing certain things that helps lead you there. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Yeah, but they're glimpses. But other people see movies. I just get little hits. But other people, they sit back and they watch a movie. Now that does happen to me when I'm in Meditation or I'm relaxed on a shamanic journey. I'll do the full movie thing. But most of the time, I just get little bleeps, little tips. How about you? [00:05:35] Speaker A: Well, another thing I thought was so interesting about just going back to your drawings is you used to not do those right on the spot with the client sitting right there. Correct. When we first met, you didn't do that. And so one time I said, do you see the whole picture first? And she says, no, I often don't know what I'm drawing when I start. And I was like, what? Oh, the anxiety that I would have of, like, I don't know what this looks like. And it's just going to come out as I literally put the pen to paper. And that's how it comes so quickly. And you're so comfortable doing it that you only get. You get it as you go. And I think that's really cool how you just trust in your intuition how it unfolds. [00:06:13] Speaker B: And that's a good point, because personally, I like that. I'm a Gemini. I don't like things that are predictable, so I kind of like that it unfolds in front of me. But the person who inspired me to do spirit guide drawings is someone I used to get spirit guide drawings from. And she. She was. She. You could tell she was looking at something, so she, you know, she would look up, and then she would draw on the paper, and then she'd look up again. And so it was just as if she had a model right in front of her. [00:06:39] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:06:40] Speaker B: And I operate differently, but it still works both ways. Yeah. [00:06:44] Speaker C: And see, I feel like I'm. I feel pretty strong on this one, and I get the visuals. But it's very interesting because even it's. You can get the visuals, but translating them, It's a whole nother thing. [00:06:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Because sometimes the images are. [00:06:58] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:06:59] Speaker B: They're. They're more of a code. [00:07:02] Speaker C: And I like it more when. When, like Lola said, it plays like a movie. That's when it really kind of explains itself because it just shows you what you're picking up on. And that's one thing that does tend to play quite often when I tap into it, but it just comes so differently. It's. It's interesting because it's one of those things where it just comes naturally. It doesn't. You can't force it to happen. It just kind of works on its own. But some things sometimes, like when I work on hair, because I'm working on top of their Head. I see a lot of things. I see what people are going through. I see the stress. And sometimes with the spiritual clients that I know, they're more open to it. I'll ask them questions, and then it opens the whole conversation. Then I give them the guidance that I feel like they need to hear. But it's one of those that you just continue to practice to kind of get better at it. [00:08:00] Speaker A: It makes me think of when my first. When I was going through the shamanic training, I came out of the very first journey, and you were connecting with a guy that was going to help you. And I couldn't see their face. I could only see the outline, which at the time, I was shocked because that was new to me. And I was like, whoa. I came out and saw all this. But to me, I thought, oh, it's not that good. Because I didn't see their face. And I didn't get more detail. So I didn't realize till later. It's good that I'm even seeing that right from the beginning. Because she said, pamela, do you realize how significant this is? And I'm like, you know, I'm just new to this, so I have nothing to bounce off of. And she said, pamela, I practiced for months asking. I really wanted to have the Claire. And she said, I only saw color for months and months. And you come out. And she said, you are natural. You've done this before. Because I got so much information. And nobody was more surprised than myself, I can assure you, because I didn't even know if I could do this. I was like, okay, we'll go in and I'll try. Because I had a trouble meditating, to be honest, and didn't have these things happening before. So when it first starts, if you just only get glimpses or bits and pieces, like Lola or colors or colors, that's the beginning. When I first started, all I saw was colors. I didn't know what was going on. I'm going to sleep, and I'm feeling my eyelids. Eyelids. Because I'm like, are they closed? Because I was seeing shades of purple coming in and out of focus. And that's. I'm like, what is happening to me? So that was the beginning of my clairvoyance. [00:09:29] Speaker B: And I guess part of the journey with the clairvoyance is if you do are starting to see something unroll like a movie in front of you, just keep going with it. Just let it go and then analyze it. Analyze it later. [00:09:43] Speaker C: Well, and I also think that, like, when I first was going into spirituality. All of a sudden, I met Derek, and then I met Mary, and they're like, that's their strongest one. But they also see it, like, just in every day, just see a person. So I was like, wow, I hope I one time, like, once, like, I hope I get to be able to have those gifts. But what's really interesting about the gifts, even if you have these gifts, they're going to be so different than anybody else's. Like, you can never compare yourself to anyone because as it is a muscle, it develops more. But also, you might be stronger in other gifts. And what's crazy is that those other gifts can be just as strong, if not stronger, too. We get so caught up in, like, everything has to be visual, but really it doesn't. This is the great thing about talking about them is you're going to get to learn about different type of clairs and just how they work. Maybe you already have some and you don't even realize. [00:10:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's a good point. So what's the next one on your list there? [00:10:45] Speaker B: Okay, this is mine. It's like, probably my number two clear audience, which is clear hearing. So I will get messages. I will get little words in my ear. So when I do a spirit guide drawing, I write down any messages I get from the guide. So I always try to get a name. And sometimes if I can't get the name, it might be a cultural name that we wouldn't be able to pronounce or understand. So I say, okay, give me the English version of your name. So it might be like flower of the night or something like that. You know, if I'm having a hard time getting a name, I will do that. Other times, bits of information come in, like how to draw, you know, so I'm feeling the drawing. But then I might hear something like, I want a derby hat. Okay, derby hat. Gotcha. [00:11:35] Speaker C: Would you say that that's also like, hearing? It would be, like, technically a form of channeling in a way, because you're hearing something and you're like, interpreting, too, Especially with your guides, wouldn't you say? [00:11:45] Speaker B: Yeah, but I think channeling often is associated with being oratory. [00:11:50] Speaker A: This is the one that. I'm glad you brought that up because these two, to me, in my opinion, straddle very closely because claircognizant, which is the channeling or hearing the things coming all the way through. I take it as I'm hearing this and I'm passing it through, but really a true channel to me in my Opinion is. My head's bypassed and I'm just speaking out. I'm not even having a chance. [00:12:14] Speaker B: And I even forgot about journaling, because people channel when they journal. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Right? Exactly. [00:12:19] Speaker B: So I would say clairaudience can be. I mean, you're technically getting information, but is it the same as channeling? That's a good question. I'm kind of leaning toward not. [00:12:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think this is where it's, you know, open for interpretation of how things feel to you. Sometimes I will hear a message, and I'm like, is that. Who is that there? [00:12:44] Speaker B: That's a good thing because you can question. Please do question where this information is coming from. You can ask, you know, who said that, right? If I hear something like a guide's name, I recognize as one of my guides, and okay, cool. Let's keep going. [00:12:58] Speaker A: How many times do people say, there's a voice in your head, you know, and you have to be like, where is this coming from? Let's say you have a negative thought. Well, maybe that's from conditioning from a parent. And that voice comes back and it's showing up in different ways. This is where I think that discernment comes in, really is like, is this childhood stuff? Is it parenting? Is this my bad self shaming myself? [00:13:22] Speaker B: Having heard your mother's voice, using your first and last name like, you're in trouble. Yeah, I have, and my mom's been gone for a long time. So the minute you hear, okay, Lisa Marie, right? It's like, oh. [00:13:39] Speaker A: Mom's talking to me. [00:13:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:41] Speaker B: So I have had that experience. Okay. So you kind of bounced ahead to one of the clairs, which is claircognizance, which is a knowing, clear knowing. So there are people, you talk to them, and you can bring up a topic, and they'll be like, nope, nope, nope. It's not like that at all. Especially with the woo woo topics. You know, they'll go, maybe you're going, well, maybe you're testing your guides. You know, oh, this guide seems okay to me. And they might go, nope, nope, nope. They just know. Or they have an answer to something that. How did you know that? I don't know. I just knew. [00:14:18] Speaker A: Right. Well, especially when it's something that you don't have a lived experience, and then all of a sudden, something's just coming out of your voice or out of your mouth and you're saying you don't know how you know it. You're like, where that come from? I did that for a while. [00:14:33] Speaker B: At the beginning, there were certain Channelers who, like, they talk about things like quantum physics, you know, they weren't, they didn't learn about it exactly. But I think, I think claircognizance, you can bring it down to a more day to day level. There are people who just like, no, no, they know. Okay, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna engage in this right now because it's not worth it. That could be a form of claircognizance right there. Right. It's not worth, worth getting up in arms about. So. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Does that also intuition? [00:15:07] Speaker B: All of this is intuition. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Right. Okay. [00:15:10] Speaker B: But I had a roommate who was claircognizant, and boy, was he plus a Leo. So he was very calm, you know. No. And he wouldn't budge on it, you know. [00:15:21] Speaker A: What is your other really big one, Lola? [00:15:23] Speaker B: Mine? [00:15:24] Speaker A: I think it's the next one. [00:15:26] Speaker B: Well, it's not the next one on the list, but it would be Clair. Sentience. [00:15:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:33] Speaker B: That is my main Claire, and that is clear feeling. So I tend to. When somebody wants to ask me something, I feel it usually in some chakra in my body, so usually the solar plexus. So if they ask me a question and I feel it in my solar plexus and the solar plexus feels like it's strong and confident, then it's almost like, okay, then that's good, let's go with that. Let's keep pursuing this. If I get that kind of knot in my stomach feeling, it's like, I don't know, I don't know, maybe we need to question this. I can feel that there's some fear attached to that. Or if you feel some of the lower chakras. Other times people are zooming up in the, you know, in their higher chakras. I feel people's hearts usually right away. Oh, my gosh. When someone's got a good heart, it's like, oh, my gosh, I feel it. You've been, you know, wow, such a balance. You really got it going on. [00:16:32] Speaker A: I heard an example of this, and this is kind of to an extreme, but it gives you an example of this. One psychic person sat in a chair of somebody who was going through throat cancer. And so she sits in the chair and immediately she starts having a coughing attack and her throat's hurting and all of that. So that's kind of an extreme example. [00:16:51] Speaker B: Oh, I get that all the time. You know, it'll start to burn in my throat. I go, oh, my gosh, you've got things to say and you're just not in a position to say them, are you? Yes, yes. So I feel it. I feel it all. And a lot of people think that it's. It's one of the toughest Clairs to work with. But there does come a point where you start to understand this is not my energy. And you can clear it so you don't have to carry people's pain or confusion, but you can use it as a guide to help them. So I think it's for me, it's the Clair I tap into most easily. How about you guys with Claire? Claire Sentience. [00:17:33] Speaker C: Mine's interesting because I get to like you said, if I go in the room and someone there has certain thing, I can feel it for them. But sometimes it gets really interesting because sometimes I'm like, Jesus, I can feel their thoughts. And it's really weird because that has happened to me so many times. And I know it's their thoughts because then they'll start talking. They'll be talking exactly about what I heard from their heads. And that always trips me out because that's like a little bit that's developing stronger too nowadays. So it's just. I gotta be like, okay, I'm just letting it go. The thing, the thing that I think it works the best when you're tapping into this gift is just allowing them to just happen. And don't force it. Don't like just be surprised by it. Act like almost it's like your first time, like tapping into this gift. Because when you act like that out of a wonder it comes out so easily and it's less force. But whenever you're like, I really want to tap into this person, I really want to tap into this. Usually it doesn't work out very well. [00:18:40] Speaker A: I think the feeling is also really close to what you might say reading energy. So you're reading the energy of a room. So that one's another one. You go in and you can tell something happened before you got there. There was a negative exchange. Sometimes it's. You're reading it off the people. You're feeling the heightened energy in the room. So that's another strong one for me too is and I think having to read I had kind of an explosive partner. So this developed this a long way as well. Is if you've been in situations where your survival you need to be finely tuned to your environment. You're picking up cues on everything. So reading the energy, feeling things is going to be maybe perhaps one of your stronger gifts. [00:19:27] Speaker C: And one of the things that it's a Good example to put about feeling is. So there's a lot of stores that have low vibrations. [00:19:34] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:34] Speaker C: And so when you go there, you automatically are always going to get like, you're going to feel dense, it's going to feel really dense. You're not going to be wanting to be there. And then you find it that it really starts aggravating you. An example of that store, like, I refuse to go to Walmart because Walmart is always really low vibration. And I just, I'm like, no, I can't. I just can't do it. There's other places as well. Like bars can be very low vibrational, especially once people start drinking, because drinking just lowers your vibration. There's no such thing as drinking and you're going to raise your vibration. That just doesn't happen. But hospitals too. Yes, hospitals, yeah. [00:20:12] Speaker A: It's crazy. I worked in hospitals and for a long time I felt like, oh, I'm impervious to this. And then eventually when things got more intense, I was like, oh my gosh, how have I been working here all this time? I just started feeling it all. So that became much more difficult. [00:20:29] Speaker C: And the reason why we're opening up to this conversation is start feeling into places you go to start feeling the places that you really align with and the places you don't. And it's not, this isn't an ego thing of, oh, I'm so much better than this place. No, it's more like about taking care of your energy and realizing, where do you want to be at? Like, where do you want your energy frequency to be at? And then from that, finding the places that actually match that. [00:20:56] Speaker A: I think that's a good point. As well as reading someplace you really love. What is it that I love about this place? You know, is it the, like, libraries? [00:21:05] Speaker B: You couldn't get me out of a library as a kid. [00:21:07] Speaker A: See, so you're like all of that. [00:21:10] Speaker C: Nature, like trees outside. Yeah. [00:21:13] Speaker B: If my mom couldn't find me, she called the library to see if I was there. [00:21:17] Speaker A: Yeah. If it isn't nature, it's a really beautiful story. There was this one store that was. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Like, oh, libraries smell like paper. [00:21:22] Speaker A: That's nature. [00:21:25] Speaker C: I guess that's close enough to nature for you. [00:21:29] Speaker A: It's just, it's interesting to notice what you notice of what draws your energy in to learn more about yourself and be introspective. And like you were saying, Emeril, that curious nature of wonderment gets you so far. Like, let's play with this. We're here to Play and have fun and develop our gifts and skills. So if you take approach it that way, I think that's a really good advice. What do you got next? [00:21:54] Speaker B: Okay, well, the next one, we actually know a few people who have this Clair and I think they think it's a curse as well as a blessing. So the next one is Clair alliance, which is clear smelling. Olfactory. Yeah, which is great because it's kind of like what we were just talking about, frequency and vibration. So it's not just that they might tune into a certain smell, like a rose or somebody's cigar, for example, if they're kind of tuning into like someone maybe your grandma or grandfather who passed on, people get those kind of kids. But also they're getting frequency smells, frequencies we don't even know about. And there's a smell associated with it which may be pleasant or it may not. [00:22:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:45] Speaker C: So it's a pretty common thing is if it smells faulty, usually it's low vibrational thing that you're picking up. And if it smells good, then it's usually higher vibration. That's the only thing that I can. [00:22:56] Speaker A: I think also when you, let's say, know someone on the other side who loved a certain thing. So like I've seen this in different circles, Reiki circles we've done where a smell has come in, especially with Samantha, since this is one of her top skills. She would smell something for my dad if he wanted to come and not just, I don't know, communicate with me in a different way. I would smell popcorn. This is something that him and I, you know, enjoyed to do together. So smell is a very one that not as many people have, but can also show up intermittently. If so just notice all of a sudden you smell something like tobacco. Oh, this. My grandpa always used to put tobacco in his pipe or whatever, whatever that thing could be. [00:23:37] Speaker B: And Samantha's the person who taught the three of us Reiki. So she's very, very tuned into these Clairs, and sometimes she'll get a whiff of something that you could just see on her face. It's like, wasn't too pleasant. So she also has this skill which is Claire Gustance. And that is the clear tasting. So. And Derek, who's the store owner of Mystical Wares, who's sponsoring this radio show or podcast, showing my age again, has that skill too. And it is also one that is both a blessing and a curse. And I think, I think I've had every once in a while. You ever get that metal taste in your mouth? When you, when you. Yeah, I get that every once in a while. But they. They have even more range, right. Of tasting energy or tasting something that might be associated with someone you're tuning into. [00:24:37] Speaker C: This is so funny because this is the Claire that I stay away from because I am a foodie and I will admit it, I love tasting different food and stuff. So if I had this and I could do the biracial thing, I don't know if I could try different foods per se, but so far, one thing I always do too, that I guess I change the flavor is blessing my food before I eat it. So when you bless your food, whether it's energetically, prayer, whatever your technique might be, just giving me things for it and saying like, hey, I just. I want all the nutrients from this food to just really. So it makes your food taste better. Personally, I have discovered that it makes my food taste better, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's eclair. All it means is that I'm taking care of not tasting negativity on the. [00:25:28] Speaker B: I think you just hit a fork in the road. On the road to Woo Wooville here. [00:25:31] Speaker A: I love it. [00:25:32] Speaker B: A little bit of a tangent, but it was salient information nonetheless. [00:25:37] Speaker A: How to work with these energies. Right. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So honestly, I don't know how they clear that from their taste buds when they feel that sensation. They must have techniques, but, you know, it didn't occur to me to even ask because you don't want to be going around, especially if it's a taste that wasn't particularly great with that in your mouth all day. So maybe they do bless their food and eat something else right away. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Well, I love that we all just attended a class together on aromatherapy and so we were all smelling these different scents and how some of the different scents would trigger a memory. So this was one of the things on blending oils was the different scents. And what would that reawaken? Possibly a memory of another life. So that was super fun. [00:26:24] Speaker B: And that ties back to Claire Elliot. Yeah, I can see that. [00:26:28] Speaker C: And I love especially all the scents that were like ancient scents. I was like, I feel like I've smelled this before. I don't. I can't tell right. Right now where from, but I just. It feels like home. Home away from home. [00:26:40] Speaker A: Yeah, that was really fun. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Okay, so we've got another Claire Clair. Empathy, emotional feeling. So I guess that kind of. That's under the category of Clair. Sentience because I think clairsentience, they can. We can also feel things physically. [00:26:59] Speaker A: Right. [00:26:59] Speaker B: But we feel people's emotions when it's Claire empathy, which goes back to Chiron, the wounded healer of Greek mythology. An immortal who got wounded and the wound would never heal without experiencing that wound. He had no empathy. [00:27:17] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:18] Speaker B: So we've all been wounded at school now. [00:27:20] Speaker A: How does this difference different from being an empath? [00:27:24] Speaker B: I don't think it is. They're calling it claire empathy. I think we just jumped ahead and talked about being an empath. [00:27:29] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. [00:27:30] Speaker C: So then I would think that you would be very strong with that one because you're so empathic and then so is Lola too, and so in mine. But yeah, this one's interesting because I can definitely. I myself, I'm very. For the most part, I like to say that I like to be more balanced. So a lot of the times when, like, people are too extreme on the emotional side, it's like I'm like, I will send you energy. I feel for you, but I don't want to process those emotions. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Well, it's a lot. [00:28:01] Speaker B: That's because you're also Scorpio. So if you were to feel in those emotions, they would be really intense. [00:28:06] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true too. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And if you, you guys. Deep, deep feelers. [00:28:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:12] Speaker C: And I mean, don't get me wrong, I had my fair share of feeling emotions, so that might. I'm good. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Well, I think this is one of my top Claire's too. I definitely do feel people's emotions. And you know what? This is a really good one to talk about because I think this is very natural for a lot of people. And that's why, you know, like, when you're. For me, you know, I can't be in certain places because it. Well, like, I keep thinking. But this one, it's like, you know, growing up with parents who were passive aggressive to each other, so they weren't nasty as far as words, they weren't hurting each other physically, but there was this constant tension that you always feel. And I think you don't have to be a strong intuitive to grow up in a situation like that and feel it. Like kids whose parents are going to be divorcing and they try to hide it from the kids, the kids know that's Claire empathy. [00:29:08] Speaker C: And I was also going to bring up a good point. So the people that you're closest to, you start analyzing them in such a way that you can feel their emotions. That's a form of this type of Claire, and you don't even know it. Like, for example, how many of us have A husband or a boyfriend. And you know right away when they get mad, even if they try to hide it, you know that they're upset. How about having kids? You know what their emotions are, whether they try to hide them or not. This is tuning into those clairs too. Sometimes we don't realize them because we never call them by name, but that is what they are. [00:29:42] Speaker A: Yeah. When something's shut down and you're not seeing any outward presentation, but you're tapping in. This is one of my top skills or gifts as well is that way to feel something for somebody who is not processing something. And then you can bring that forward and go, okay, whatever that is that you're saying, you bring that forward and then it can open up the door. [00:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And it goes the opposite way too. Where you're just like, wow, that person's got great vibes. I just want to be hanging around. I want, okay, I'm up, I'm at a party. I want to talk to them before I leave. Right. [00:30:21] Speaker A: You notice the ones that are like, there's something about that person. [00:30:25] Speaker B: You're feeling it. Yep. [00:30:27] Speaker C: So I have a story to share about this too. That was like so amazing. I was. I went to a grocery store, just a local grocery store, and I was in line for the cashier. And then once I get to the cashier and getting the proximity where like, you're close, where like you're obviously energetically interacting with each other's energy in his heart space was amazing. It was like so amazing that it almost like brought tears to my eyes, which I thought that was really weird because I'm not the crier in public type thing. And not that there's anything wrong. And there's been situations where I cried because I can't hold, like, I refuse to hold it now, but it was amazing. And sometimes you're gonna find this too, that you're gonna go around people that are just gonna make you feel so good. Like people with really high energy. I mean, high. I wouldn't say high frequency make you feel really comfortable. And it's almost like the gut that also the gut feeling too. Where there's like you meet people there don't feel very safe. And that's also trying to tell you something too. So I mean, it's almost. We all have adapted this give skills, but sometimes they come into practice with just an everyday basis and we don't even realize it. So that's why I feel like this. This is so great to just kind of tune in and really talk about It. [00:31:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So this is one where you don't have to be super woo woo to have that experience. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Yes. [00:31:49] Speaker B: Okay. And the final one is called clair tangency, which is touching, which would be like psychometry as well. So some people feel. Get information by feeling things. Usually an object. Well, we feel it like when we do Reiki too. We pick up information when we're doing Reiki or crystals. But psychometry is when they. Yeah. Pick up a crystal or pick up a piece of jewelry somebody owned or a key. The metals seem to hold a lot of that frequency still. So do the stones. And they pick up. They get information from that either. This is an interesting topic too, because it could either be from the person who owned the object or it could be. For example, I have a bunch of crystal skulls here. Yeah, I collect crystal skulls. And Ameril's holding one of them right now, and he's probably picking up some information from that skull. So you might. You might get frequency, you might get a word, you might get. It's. It's interesting because you can pick up from there too. Okay, we told you we're going to be really honest when things happen here. So something got dropped and now my cat's fish toy is making noises and. [00:33:06] Speaker A: It'S a little fish and it's flopping about. [00:33:09] Speaker B: Maybe that's a psychic thing. What's going on here? What message do you have for us? Flopping fish? Okay, so let's go back to these Claires because this is one of the things I didn't understand when I was new on my spiritual journey, that there's so much, much more than clairvoyance. Yes, clairvoyance is important. It's great. But if you are clairaudient, clairsentient, remember that's feeling claircognizant, knowing Clair alliance. The sense of smell is exaggerated. Clairgustance, tasting, Clairempathy, emotional feelings, Clair tangency, feeling and touching, those are equally valuable skills. [00:33:49] Speaker C: Yes. [00:33:50] Speaker B: And one of the things I had when I first started on the doing psychic fairs, I had a tendency to think I was doing something wrong because I was not seeing things the way other people were. I just assumed to be the perfect psychic. You are clairvoyant. I haven't since learned that my clair empathy and my clairsentience is equally important. So that's what comes easily for me. I do have the other Claire's that sometimes come in, but you don't have to. You don't have to rely on clairvoyance. You're getting information from all These other ways, too. So, please, whatever was natural for you, embrace it. Go with it. Keep developing it. And then you'll tap into these other ones as well. [00:34:39] Speaker C: And sometimes you run into these Claires by accident or by initiation. Yeah, by initiation, too. One of the things is I'm. I'm really big with getting messages, like channeling. But it all started with journaling, and I would just write things down, especially when I started doing my spiritual awakening. And then sometimes I would get done, and I would look at what I just wrote and be like, this wasn't even what I was trying to write. Like, I was trying to write about my day and just letting out things. And then all of a sudden, I would have this whole message. And it was really interesting because at first, it took me a while to understand the differences between really prepping yourself up to be an open channel to that message. Example, if you had a very crazy day and your energy is really off, the last thing you should be doing is channeling, because you're not going to connect with really light beings or things that really are good for you. Like, you connect with lower vibrational beings, which. That's a whole nother thing itself. But all I want to say is that that's how it got started for me. And then eventually it moved up, and now I'm more aware of being grounded. I'm more aware of really being connected to a higher vibration so that I am receiving information that I can actually use. And that's helpful. [00:36:05] Speaker B: Mm. [00:36:06] Speaker A: I agree. [00:36:08] Speaker C: Which. [00:36:09] Speaker B: Well, he was talking about another psychic skill. So in addition to the Claire's, he's talking about automatic writing. [00:36:16] Speaker C: Yes. [00:36:17] Speaker B: So some people may not be. [00:36:19] Speaker A: Is that the same? [00:36:20] Speaker B: No. Scrying is looking at something and getting. [00:36:22] Speaker A: Okay. I thought so. [00:36:23] Speaker C: That would be like looking at a flame or a black mirror. Yeah. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Okay. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Reflective surface. [00:36:30] Speaker A: What is it when people, like, doodle and they're, like, doing this light language? [00:36:34] Speaker B: Well, but they're the. [00:36:36] Speaker A: Like, they're doing it to come up with an answer. Like, oh, they're, like, thinking of something and they're not sure. I've seen a couple people do this. [00:36:43] Speaker B: I have seen psychics do that doodling. And then they write down something in English that they got. I think it's just part of their process. I don't know that there's a label specifically for that, but automatic writing, I think we just glossed over it. I think we should go back to it, because a lot of people do it. [00:37:00] Speaker C: Yes. [00:37:01] Speaker B: So this is something where you can just trust yourself and you can ask to get a message from your higher self, for example, and you just sit there and you let the pen move. Now, what Pamela's talking about, like, maybe you might start with spirals, but then eventually you'll start writing and you won't even know what you're writing. Once you're done, you look at it and go, oh, my gosh. Where did this information come from? It's amazing, and it's coming from your higher self. But my automatic writing always turns into light language. So I think that's what you brought. Like, so I never get it in English. It might start, like, a couple sentences, and all of a sudden I'm writing light language codes. It's so I never get to get the English message. [00:37:45] Speaker A: You're always. [00:37:46] Speaker B: I have to always feel into the message. I never get the. Just tell me. So my left brain understands this, please. [00:37:54] Speaker C: I think you're just bringing up a good point, too. So it's. So it's intention, obviously. And then you're really good with feelings. So because of it, you would be able to translate it, maybe not so much in English format how you would want to, but at the same time, you're understanding the message overall. [00:38:11] Speaker B: I do. I call it light language journaling, where I just let my hands write the light language. And I can feel the energy shift in my body. It's clearing me. So even if I don't know what the symbols mean, they're having an effect. I want to go back to the people who do the English automatic writing, because I've known people who've tapped into aspects of their higher self that were past lives. Like, that's how my friend. Okay, you're next. But that's how my friend Grace tapped into a life where she was a metaphysician in Egypt, and she was channeling tarot spreads and the instructions for the tarot spreads. And she did a several of them. And I hope she doesn't mind. Am I allowed to say yes? Okay. See, I'm trusting my intuition on that. She kept saying when it was done, you know, was written by Simon of Egypt, she kept getting, you know, something like, these are the words of Simon of Egypt or something like that. And so we were thinking it was Simon of Egypt. And it took us a while to figure out, oh, she was Simon of Egypt in another life. So she was tapping into an aspect of herself. And Ameril's got a story about that, too. Hidden. [00:39:20] Speaker C: Yes. So. Because with journaling, as I said, that's kind of a way that I really started connecting with. And then I started connecting with a lot of past lifetimes. And what it is with lifetimes is when they're ready to connect with you. That's when they come in and then you just allow them to flow. I would also recommend that to. If you are going to practice with journaling, really set yourself for the right space, meaning have a private, quiet space ground. Make sure that you're at least a neutral point with your frequency. I would light up a candle. Like, candles are amazing because you set it, you set intention. When you light up a candle, just say, hey, whatever needs to come through, just let it come through. And as Lola said, sometimes you connect with your higher self. You can even ask a question. For example, let's say something that you're struggling to find an answer. You just write down the question and then you just focus and relax and then just start writing. Start, like literally just even drawing until you get the writing part down. I probably have journals upon journals of writing because I started doing it and it was just really fascinating to me. But then I'm like, now I want to do it more intentionally. So before, it was a lot of practice. [00:40:38] Speaker B: And I've got a tip for people who are new. I read this in a book by a psychic. I believe her name is Sandra Choquette. I discovered her early in my waking up process. So I think she was a really good one for beginners. I think her name is Sandra Choquette. And she said, use your hand. You don't write with. So it's going to be more intuitive. It's not what you're used to. And so you'll be. Yes, it'll be a little wobbly, but you'll get. It's easier to pick up the transmissions that way. [00:41:11] Speaker A: Oh, that's interesting. [00:41:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:14] Speaker B: Okay, so. So we want to talk about some of the things we wish we'd known were terms when we started out on our awakening process. And especially for those of us who also have worked with other intuitives. And one of the things I see a lot at psychic fairs is people don't know how to ask for something they want, which is they want to connect with their loved ones who've passed on. And so I see them going from table to table and they're trying to describe what you do. You do this. Here's the word. Guys, you ready? Mediumship. You're looking for a medium? Thank you. You're welcome. It'll save you a lot of time now that you know that word. I didn't know it. I Think some people know it because there was like, I guess there was some TV show about a psychic medium. [00:42:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it said it was medium, so. [00:42:09] Speaker B: But I do find when I talking to people at fairs, you know, when they're looking for that service, they don't know what it is. So I'll direct them to a medium. But it's kind of a relief when they find out what the word is. [00:42:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's a lot of psychics out there that have a lot of gifts, but they don't have that particular one. So not everybody has that one. [00:42:29] Speaker B: Right. So I will usually recommend someone I know is a good medium. So for example, that's not one of the ones I connected with most easily. I do now technically I'm a medium. We found out before the broadcast because I tap into get messages from the spirit guides I'm drawing. So technically that's mediumship. But I do believe most people are looking for someone who can help them with their loved ones who passed on. And that just doesn't come as easily for me, but it comes super easily for other people. So what do you have to say about that, either one of you? [00:43:03] Speaker C: So I get the mediumship. Not I allow it to come to me, especially from past loved ones when they are ready to connect with me. I don't per se, like, even if I set an intention like, oh, I want to connect with a past loved one, sometimes it can come through, sometimes it doesn't come through. And I find it that it so much better when I just allow it to just at the flow come in. But I also know people that are really good with it where they're literally like, you can just mention, like they can say, oh, which loved one would you like to connect with? And they start giving you a message. And the message, a lot of the times, because it's coming from a loved one, they want to first let you know that they are that loved one. So normally they'll hit points where only you remember about that loved one that they used to do or certain words, certain things they used to do. And that's kind of how they connect with you because they want to build on that trust of, you know, it's so that you know who it's from and you have no doubts about it. [00:44:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I. [00:44:08] Speaker A: It's one of my gifts, but I wouldn't say it's my strongest gift. I don't seek it out or, or try to develop that. I just let it what flows to me. But if I set the intention and somebody is wanting to connect. I can do that. We were saying how medium is really connecting you. If you have the ability to connect to the other spiritual realm, you have that gift. But I was doing a session on my mom, which, you know, she's open minded to this, but, you know, not how she was raised. But my dad had passed and we were going through some of his things. And this is another test to your trusting yourself is when you hear something and you're like, this doesn't sound right or whatever. And I kept hearing it over and over in my head. And I'm like having a conversation in my head, like, really? Really? And finally I heard, just write it down. And so I wrote down the word kitten. Well, the last thing I think of my mom is this soft, fluffy kitten. She's a very strong. And not that she's not soft, but that's just not how I would see her. And I never saw this soft, playful side of them. It was not something I would think of. And so I said, I keep hearing this mom. And she was like, oh, okay. And she's older, so, you know, there's a lot of life lived there. And later on she was going through the letters and said, oh, my gosh, Pamela. That was the nickname your father used to call me when we were first courting in our letters. [00:45:38] Speaker B: Wow. [00:45:39] Speaker A: And it just meant so much to me that I could pick up on that and share that with her. And this is where the parts where the Claire's. The gifts. When you're able to give somebody that message or a feeling or whatever that is, it is a gift to you to be able to help. And when you're not expressing that, when you're not sharing your gifts, that is another hard thing. So this is one that I think is a beautiful gift. If you have that and if that scares you and you don't want to do it, you don't have to do it. But it is. It is interesting the things that you can find out in here. [00:46:17] Speaker C: And I do. I just want to add too, our growth is so different. We all have such different quotes on different gifts and stuff. And one of the things about death is a really hard subject because I think a lot of people aren't, I guess, for lack of a better word, train of how to react to it. But it's almost once you really go into your spirituality, you realize it's just another door and it's just another dimension. So a lot of the times, yes, people are gifted that they can connect with this. Loved ones, past ones, or the Spiritual realm in general. But the only reason why I'm mentioning that is because that's part of our growth. I think that if somebody, when I first started, would have really been like, you know, really go deep into what your feelings are about death, and then really get to get your fears out of it and understand it better, because it will serve you very well. Because one of the things that's certain is we're born and we're eventually going to die. Not to make it harsh and not whatever, but what I'm trying to say is that the more you're comfortable with death and the more you can see death with different eyes, the easier it will be for you to deal with it on your own personal life. [00:47:43] Speaker A: Good advice. [00:47:44] Speaker B: Well, and the more you go on the spiritual journey, the more you do discover that death is just another transition. [00:47:53] Speaker C: But okay, just to not be whatever. But when you're so heavily religiously programmed, it's a very fear factor because you feel unworthy, because you go under this program that you're never going to be good enough, and then when you die, you're going to be judged and all this stuff. So that can be really scary, too. And the reason why I'm saying is because I was there once in order for me to break out of it literally. It wasn't even like one layer. I wish it would have been one layer, but it was many, many layers to get to this point. So honor your journey. But it is a hard one, especially if you do have the wrong concepts of what death is to get past it. [00:48:33] Speaker B: Sure. [00:48:34] Speaker A: What else do you have on your list? I'm interested. Yeah, I can see you have a few. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Well, I was looking into what some of the other psychic skills are, whether I have them or not. And we talked about channeling. There's telepathy. Oh, yeah. I think a lot of people know what telepathy is. All of a sudden. I know what you're thinking. I think moms do that pretty naturally. I made Amaral laugh while he was drinking. Precognition. Knowing something's going to happen beforehand. I think we've all had that. Like, I'm going to turn left at this traffic light instead of right. And it turns out the traffic was better that way than the other. [00:49:16] Speaker A: Especially both of you really having the oracle gifts in other lifetimes. You know, oracles were highly used for preventing the future. You know, are we going to win this battle? What's the outcome of this if we move the tribe here? Is this a good decision? So being able to Sense and see the future. Reading. Is reading tea leaves seeing the future? [00:49:37] Speaker B: Well, depends on the tea leaf reader. [00:49:39] Speaker A: And the question and what you're focusing on. Yeah, and the question. So yeah, that is another. Another good one. [00:49:47] Speaker B: Okay, here's one that a lot of people seem to do pretty. I think it takes a while to get there. But astral projection, I personally have not been consciously aware of astral projected. I know I do things on the astral plane, but there are some people who literally get to them such a relaxed point that they feel their spirit rise out from the body and they're consciously aware they're looking at their bodies. [00:50:13] Speaker A: Right. [00:50:14] Speaker C: Okay. I go back on that. I can do that very easily on meditative state. [00:50:18] Speaker B: I hate you. I haven't done it yet. [00:50:22] Speaker C: But not on the astral plane because I feel like there's a difference. So the astral plane is more like going to sleep and literally just seeing yourself, like leaving and doing all these things. But when I was little, I used to do that all the time. I remember I would step out of my body and I would go. And I would go to places and I remember having this cord that was always attached. [00:50:41] Speaker B: Yes, there's always a cord. [00:50:42] Speaker C: And the cord felt comfortable because I'm like, okay, no matter what, I'm attached to this. And I remember being able to glide. Not quite fly, but glide. Like a really huge, like unhumanly possible. And that's why I had so much fun. And now I'm like, why can't I do that again? [00:51:00] Speaker B: I think it is easier for kids. Like my friend told me she remembers going through a wall. [00:51:04] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:51:05] Speaker B: When she was a kid, all of a sudden she was on. She was in a different room. My tarot teacher went to a. He got into such a relaxed state that he went to a different state and visited his sister. He was physically there. She saw him. [00:51:18] Speaker A: Wow. [00:51:19] Speaker B: He astral projected to Florida. [00:51:21] Speaker A: Wow. [00:51:22] Speaker B: And he said he doesn't know how he did it. And you know, he had to relax to get back. But he hasn't experienced that again as far as I know. [00:51:30] Speaker A: So question on that. When you're doing that, other people can see you. [00:51:35] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes. [00:51:38] Speaker B: So you can be biologate the people who know how to do this or. I think we all know how to do it. We just don't practice enough at it because. And I think there's techniques to develop it. [00:51:48] Speaker A: Okay. [00:51:50] Speaker B: They can will themselves to go into somebody else's. Like, let's say you go to your best friend's room. And then the best friend is going to see them and tell them exactly what they're wearing. [00:52:00] Speaker A: Okay. [00:52:01] Speaker B: And so it's, it's. It. They. Their essence is just enough form that they can be perceived by the naked eye. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Wow. [00:52:13] Speaker C: And what's really cool, you guys, those of you that are, like, very not, like, more scientific and stuff, go into the CIA's web page. The astral projection is actually explained. And it is like a true thing that they can do because they do so many experiments with different things. And they talk about it, they mention it. So it's kind of nice to just be able to. I mean, everything's coming up for a reason. Everything is being recognized. I think that really at this point is just people that aren't willing to look past what they've learned because they just can't. They're not ready. But the truth is, there's so much to our journeys. There's so much to learn, there's so much to experience. And that's the beauty of it, because just honor your journey. Like, honor your growth. Go through it. [00:53:03] Speaker A: I have a question on that particular one. So did you say astral traveling? [00:53:10] Speaker B: Astral projection. [00:53:11] Speaker A: Projection. So astral traveling, would you say, like, when you do a journey, you know, and you're going on a journey and like, when I first started, I would be on a cliff with animals and I would shape shift into an eagle, and I would start flying above as the eagle, and I would be seeing what the eagle would see. And then I would go in and meet my guides in this big field. Would you think journey is journeying? I know people, a lot of shamanic, you know, classes, they teach, let's go on a journey. And then, you know, sometimes people don't always see something. They'll feel it. [00:53:46] Speaker B: Well, I think that goes back to being on the astral plane. But that's different than astral projection. [00:53:53] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:53:54] Speaker C: Especially because. Well, at least from what I've heard, and obviously this is just me. And what I've experienced is people that are more connected to shamanic things. That's when they do more of the shape shifting into animals because they're more connected to that aspect of themselves. Not that it can't be learned or it can't be, like, obviously done in some sort of way, but I find it to be. That's more of a practice of an actual shaman. [00:54:21] Speaker A: Right. [00:54:21] Speaker B: I think we need to have an episode about being a shaman, because we could probably talk an hour about that. And the journeys I've had and you've Helped with, too. So I think we might have time to kind of touch base with one more, which is remote viewing, because that's also in government documents, isn't it? [00:54:42] Speaker C: That isn't because government uses those people with those gifts to explore different things they want to know. [00:54:50] Speaker B: So they can see into buildings like in another country. They can actually, I think, even see other planets even. [00:54:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:59] Speaker A: I don't know about you guys, but I think what's so fun is seeing the superhero movies or fantasy shows. That's probably why I like to watch, you know, some of the stuff. [00:55:09] Speaker C: Lord of the Rings or the Marvel movies. [00:55:12] Speaker A: The Marvel movies where people can fly or they can. Whatever their gift is. You know, sometimes I'll sit, watch a show and go, I can do that. And then it's like, oh, that's really kind of cool. You know, I love to see it out in the world of what it looks like for other people when it's displayed. It's. It's just kind of fun. Oh, I know. The Witcher, which Henry Cavill is in it. And so it's a secret crush. Mine, too. That came up the other day. I was like, oh, who would my. My male crush be? I think it's definitely. But anyways, there's a sorceresses and there's wizards and there's magicians and dragons and all these different creatures and stuff. And I just. I find that show fascinating. And I think, you know, it wouldn't be something I would normally have ever been drawn to before, but how your spiritual evolution, different things appeal to you all of a sudden. So that could be part of your journey, too, is, you know, you used to like, you know, this one type of show, and now you're drawn to all these other, like, metaphysical or different topics that are out of. Or science fiction, you know. [00:56:19] Speaker B: Well, those are two of my least favorite genres. I know I can't even talk to you about it, but it does tie into what we're discussing in that people have certain gifts, and that's cool that people are starting to address that. Oh, if this. Usually those people think they're misfits. Right. If this misfit has this gift and I've got that gift, then that's actually. I'm not a misfit. [00:56:41] Speaker A: Right. And it's actually a superpower and how that could be used to your benefit. Sometimes it is overwhelming if you don't know what's going on, if you don't have anybody to talk to, which is the purpose kind of of our show. Here is to really help people to understand if something's happening, what some names, what's going on, what our experiences were when we first started, and if there's something that you really want to know about and we haven't covered, please comment. We really want. That's part of our goal here, is to be of service. [00:57:14] Speaker C: Don't forget we have a Facebook page where you can't comment, you can't ask questions. Feel free to open up and please don't forget to rate us. Rate this episode, please. Thank you. [00:57:25] Speaker A: Yes, please. And thank you. [00:57:27] Speaker B: The Facebook group is welcome to Woo Wooville, the next up on your spiritual journey podcast. So it's easy to find and yep, that's what we wanted to do. These are things I wished I had known about when I was entering into my spiritual journey. So I know some of these things people are aware of, some people might not be aware of. But I think the most important takeaway from this particular episode is you just embrace what comes naturally to you. You're doing, and then you just realize it is a psychic skill. And you can keep fine tuning and developing it. [00:58:05] Speaker C: Yes. [00:58:05] Speaker B: And you can start picking up on the ones that you're not as maybe don't come as easily to you, but you can start fine tuning those too. [00:58:13] Speaker A: Yes. [00:58:14] Speaker B: Okay. All right. Well, I think that is. I think that's perfect timing. I don't know. We don't have to be intuitive to figure that out. [00:58:24] Speaker A: Well, we thank you so much. [00:58:25] Speaker B: What does your sense of smell say about that? Should we stop? [00:58:29] Speaker A: It smells good. We thank you guys so much for joining us. And tune in next week. [00:58:34] Speaker B: Thanks. [00:58:35] Speaker C: Bye.

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