Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness.
Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you are likely to encounter on a spiritual path by sharing our experience with you each week.
Join us as we spill the tea and what it's like to wake up to your authentic self.
My name is Ameril, and I'm here with.
[00:00:29] Speaker B: I'm Lola Singer. And our podcast is designed to help people who are new to the spiritual journey and the people who want to join us who've been on it for a while, too.
[00:00:38] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:00:39] Speaker B: And the topic we have today is something I wish I had been aware of much, much, much, much earlier.
[00:00:48] Speaker A: Me, too.
[00:00:49] Speaker B: And it's common ego traps on the spiritual path because you often say you don't know you're in a trap when you're actually in it. And there are some of these that seem to be a natural progression for people's spiritual growth, including mine. So I fell into some ego traps, especially early on when you first start waking up, and it's just good to be aware of them so that hopefully you can recognize it and not stick stuck in the trap.
[00:01:20] Speaker A: I think that, like, what I'm, like, hearing is more of, like, how can you not, when you start out, run into ego traps? Because it's part of your learning. In a way.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: It is. And that's why we want to talk about it, because I think that's why I said I think it's kind of a natural part of the progress. And once again, you're not consciously aware that you've fallen into these traps. So once you become aware of it, that's part of your self healing.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:01:48] Speaker B: And sometimes it can be quite the little illumination. It's like, wow, I had no idea I was doing that.
And the reason that we want to bring this up, too, is also just to let you know we're not perfect either.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: At all.
[00:02:14] Speaker B: No. And this podcast was designed to let you know everything based on our personal experiences.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: So I think there could be a tendency when we go through this list to think it sounds a little preachy, but it's not. We're just going to share how we fell into these traps, too.
[00:02:30] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: So that you know you're not alone if you. If you recognize that you did, and you probably don't recognize you're in one if you are so. But in hindsight, once you realize you got out of that trap, you go, oh, I remember that episode with Lola and Am.
And this is part of the process for a lot of people.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: I also feel that there's a lot of people out there, especially when you're starting out, that demonize the ego, when really the ego has a purpose. And after we get done with the traps, we're kind of really. I think we should mention just how the ego.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: We shouldn't mention it right off the bat.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: It keeps the body safe.
[00:03:06] Speaker A: That's exactly. Exactly. But now expressing that, it also means it sometimes wants to keep you safe. Whenever there's Draxis, this drastic changes, such as when you have shedding of huge things, a big spiritual awakening, it's gonna really act up. What that means is you'll have emotions.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: Well, it's because the ego thinks predictability is safety.
And when you go through a big change, you've just thrown it completely out of whack because it's not predictable anymore.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: And another thing that people won't say, that I wish people would have said, because I've actually, like I did come to Lola quite a few times, is the grieving that happens when you do big sheds. Like you just emotional, because you do grieve your old self, your old whatever it is that you have just let go of.
[00:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Your. Your emotional identity can change. Your mental identity changes. Even your DNA is purported to change. So physical.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: So of course the ego's going, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is different, different, different, different. Danger, danger, danger, danger. Potential danger, potential danger, potential danger.
If it's not predictable.
But you do want your ego to help you to understand fight or flight.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: You know, it's going to tell you, get out of. Get out of town. If there's somebody, like, dangerous on the other side of the street, cross the street. You know, that's its job. Right.
Okay. So that said, I know we could go into the term ego death, but that's more complicated. But I guess Amara and I both agree there is a purpose to the ego. So you don't want to belittle the ego. You want to thank it for saving your. You know, what. What it thinks it's doing, which is thinks it's saving your life when you change.
[00:04:54] Speaker A: And it's kind of like what I looked at. The ego is kind of like the relationship.
As we go through our spiritual journey, you have to develop a relationship with your own body. When you have ignored your body for a long time, it starts not trusting you. So you have to build up that trust. So when you're going through the ego part of it, it's training it to tell it it's okay, you're gonna come along no matter what. I'm not leaving you behind. And as soon as you do it enough, then it retrains itself where it's no longer freaking out all of a sudden, where you feel like all these emotions are out of control, where you feel so depressed or you feel like you totally lost something, it becomes more softer, and now you understand it more.
One of the things that I would highly suggest is whenever you're having those moments of your shed a lot, you don't know where you're at. You're really feeling like some sort of emotional let it out on a piece of paper I always write down in a journal. And just really, like, don't limit yourself and just write it all out what you're feeling.
After you read it back, you're going to realize that that's a lot of the ego. Just. It's acting out because it feels left behind. And that's all.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And certainly I've had a lot of crying jigs on the spiritual journey, and it's so healing for me that I just let the. Let the tears flow when it's time to do it.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: Okay. Well, that said, you know, you want to learn to train your ego. You don't want to kill your ego, and you need to understand why it's there. But there it is tricky.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: It is.
[00:06:23] Speaker B: So it's going to try to play games with you to turn it to its sense of safety.
So when you're having a big spiritual awakening, we found this information on the Internet that we thought was quite a good list of things to watch out for for ego traps. And we want to go through them one by one, and we'll even fess up about when we fell into them.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Right, exactly. And how to identify them, because a lot of the times we don't even realize we're there.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah. And then you can also look at your friends who maybe are on the spiritual path, too, because I would imagine most of the listeners do have friends who are. And you're probably going to recognize maybe if you didn't see a pattern yourself, you might have seen it in them also.
[00:07:05] Speaker A: One of the things that's really crazy is that I always like this saying that I read it like before you. You go into your awakening journey, you're drunk and ego.
So where you're gonna see ego the most is on your friends that have a niece started healing themselves because they are still like, there's a lot of ego involved in their lives, but they don't realize.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're resistant to change.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: Okay, well. Okay, so let's talk about those of us on the spiritual path, because that's what this list is about.
[00:07:36] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: And the first one on the list. Do you want to read it?
[00:07:41] Speaker A: Yes. It's judging the path of others.
So little description of that is different. Choices don't make anyone less.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Now I think we might see that especially when people are super early on the path and maybe they found yoga is their thing and then they're trying to push yoga on everybody. Or, you know, Hindu. The Hindu faith is it.
Everybody needs to do this, this and this.
Or it could be, oh, I don't know why you're not, you know, going to the crystal shop now. You know, the crystals are going to save you. You know, I know. I know what I'm doing now. Or you know, like a tarot. Me reading tarot. Oh, yeah. You know, I know everything about everything now that I have tarot cards. You know that those are the kind of ego traps. And we see that with, like, when you go to, like, meetups or classes that are spiritually oriented.
You can kind of see that sometimes, even with the speakers.
[00:08:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
Well, I remember I can definitely call. Feel myself guilty on this one. When I first started awakening, it was almost like all of a sudden I felt like I was.
Might as well been frickin.
What do they call those?
The ones that religious people send out to get to gather others.
A missionary. There we go. Because I thought, well, if I'm finding this great thing, everybody should be part of this. Everybody should join. And the thing about it is it really backfire on me because the more you push things into people, especially religious people, the more you're going to get like a constant, like, no. And a whole lot of like, stop there.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Yeah. But the real big trap with this one is starting to be judgmental of the other people. Like, you are so wrong. You are so flawed. How can you not see this? You must be a dope.
[00:09:42] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah. And that's how I was looking at it. Like, I was looking at it as like, why would you believe in that? Why would you have your own beliefs when this is the right belief?
[00:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:50] Speaker A: It is a form of justice.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: And as you go further on the spiritual path, you start to realize everybody's on their own.
[00:09:55] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: Timeline. They're learning their own lessons to get to a certain Point.
[00:10:00] Speaker A: And it's interesting too, because I've met, obviously I met a lot of people, but I've met some people that are very religious and like Christian based religious, but yet they understand the big picture of it, which is just loving one another, accepting one another and having a higher belief on something. But it's making out of them a good person. And they're like really evolving to treating others with that love and respect. But it's very, very few because of the fact that unfortunately people interpret how they want to interpret. And sometimes their interpretation is if you're not doing this, then you're not following whatever. Fill in the blank.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah, but the spiritual people are guilty of that too.
[00:10:51] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:10:52] Speaker B: You know, and condemning people for whatever pursuits they're on, whatever beliefs they are, that they're wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. What a bunch of idiots. So that is a trap. And when you get more intuitive too, with the spiritual, you know, you got to realize people just don't perceive what you perceive.
They're at their own level.
[00:11:17] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: So you could very clearly like have a clairsentient concept that just comes to you and it's so obvious to you and you try to tell other people about it. They're not open because they're not ready. They're just not ready. So we just have to learn to set people where they're at. And we've had lessons where people just kind of, we talked about, they naturally fall out of your life. You don't have to be dogmatic about it. Just let them be, you know, plant the seeds. See if they grasp at any of the seeds. Most of them won't in this situation. So then you move on.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: And I started seeing things from a different approach because so when I was really like taking the toll of like learning the lessons, it was really tough for me to see anything other than like, what the heck, these people are so like just not very nice people and whatever.
But then it got turned into because we learned the lessons and when we learned the lessons because we went through it, we have more compassion and empathy for others.
[00:12:16] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: So have you ever asked yourself that maybe even out of those darkest places you were the only light there and the only light they could see to. And even if those people weren't the nicest to you, it still meant that you could have still planted some seeds with others.
And that's all we're doing, really, because it's up to every single one person to decide, you know what I am. I'm going to listen to myself and I'm going to go within and I'm going to start healing myself. But that's ultimately their choice. But that is also based on around them, what they see and who encourages them and who finally is like, makes a big enough change in their life where they're like, wait a second, something's no longer connecting with me and somehow this person just being themselves is making more sense. That my whole experience with this belief that now all of a sudden I feel like the doors are closing in on me because they're no longer, I feel like I'm no longer being accepted for who I truly am.
And when that was turned and I was able to look at the other side, that really allowed me to no longer be so judgmental to others and realize that they each are on their own path and it's not up to us. Like for example, I'm sure that all of us can say we have close friends, family members, that probably when we went about our spirituality, they closed their doors, they just like ran for cover. And you have to understand that fear is very real, especially with religious programming. And a lot of the times it's not necessarily them as a person is their beliefs in what they've learned that's going to make them run away or not want to partake on it?
[00:13:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like my, my brother and sister, they just don't talk about what I do at all. They just, they're afraid but they don't want to talk. It's just like not even a topic.
[00:14:08] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:14:09] Speaker B: Okay. So I guess the point be if we're judging others, we should be looking at, you know, what it feels like to be judged. Exactly. Yeah. And then the next one goes hand in hand with this. Doesn't another ego trap self righteous superiority?
Believing you're further ahead blind you to humility and real growth?
[00:14:34] Speaker A: Yeah, and I've seen it from like both sides. Like I literally. It's so weird because I find it that what I do now is whenever there's some sort of remark or comment that's very rude, I see the conflict within them. I don't allow that conflict to come to me because if I constantly validate negativity, then I'm obviously lowering my frequency to them when I just have to see it as that's their comment and that's where it ends. So what I mean by seeing it on both sides, I had someone literally come up to me like, oh, you must hate religion. Then I said, no, I don't hate anything. Why would I hate religion? But that's how he saw it because he can't see past healing himself from religious programming that the only way he can make peace with himself in his mind is to put the word hatred, that if you're against it, you hate it. And there's no, there's nothing against it. I think that your religious beliefs, when you start out on your spiritual awakening, eventually they're going to change and you're going to be the one questioning what you have learned because you're going to find them to be very limiting into growing in who you're truly meant to be. And that's what happened to me. It had nothing to do with hatred. It had to do with growth.
And that growth was, it's like, think of religion like this coat. And once upon a time that coat fit in so perfectly and you loved it and you like identified with it. This is who you were. All of a sudden this coat becomes very uncomfortable because you can no longer fit in it because it's so limiting. And there's a, there's a reason why, but nonetheless you're moving up ahead. And it's not in a way where you're self righteous, it's just, it no longer connects with you.
But I had it shown that way. Right. So that's from one.
[00:16:31] Speaker B: Yeah, but what you're saying is when people project that you're being superior onto you.
But I think this is also saying when people actually are acting superior or they are acting superior to others. Here's a good example. On the spiritual path, veganism.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:16:50] Speaker B: All of a sudden people like, oh, you can't eat this and you can't eat that. You can't eat that. That's personal choice for people.
I know plenty of people who are on the spiritual path who eat differently than veganism.
But you see the self righteousness in that and that as an example.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: Exactly. When the other example I was going to put in the spirituality when they say like, oh well, that that person isn't as awake as this person or that person isn't.
[00:17:18] Speaker B: Oh yeah, we do see that.
[00:17:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: You know what it is? It's spiritual gossip, isn't it?
It's just gossiping, low level stuff.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: Yeah. You can, you, you can hear or see people being judgmental of others. Yeah. And you know, I do it too. You know, we even had a gathering the other day with some people and I said, that person has, has far to go. Still now I can see where that, once I said it, that could sound very judgmental. But just recognizing where she is on, on the growth. But I could see where that could be misinterpreted as me being superior or me even thinking I'm superior to her because I'm beyond that level of growth. I mean, that could have been an ego trap for me. Actually, now that I think about it.
[00:18:02] Speaker A: Yeah. It's almost like I was telling Lola right before we started this. I said, I sound. Sometimes I've said like comedic wise. But now that I think about it, could be an ego thing too. Expression too.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: It's like since the ego's so tricky.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I said, because I'm like, sometimes there's like some people, they'll be around your life and you just say, you know, you may have a few more thousand lifetimes to come back to, but that's okay. That's your path. And I laughed about it. But in reality, it could have been a judgment too. But I'm not meaning it as a judgment. I'm just more like, like honor your journey. If you do have, if you have, like things to grow on, that's. That's great. We all do. And even when we think we reach a point where, okay, now I feel pretty balanced, then it's like the universe is like, surprise. Here's another level. Death. About that.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: Yeah, Same topic, but exactly deeper. Revisit that.
[00:18:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And we're gonna go on a deeper level and we're gonna see what you did and how you held yourself and then so that you can kind of like see where you once were, where you are now. But you can also gain new knowledge of how to.
I feel that the point of our journey is to learn so that we can, we can be more empathic, but also when we go through the lessons, then we can help others as well. It does the full circle every single time.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And you know what I was thinking of too when I was looking at this term? Self righteous superiority.
I have noticed that especially when I was early in my spiritual journey and I was looking at getting, getting help from other people, you know, like other spiritual people.
[00:19:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: And these people who have these big retreats in the bahamas, you know, $6,000 a night kind of things. I mean, to me that feels like self righteous superiority. But that could be my ego saying, who do you think you are?
But that's, that feels self righteous to me. When I was beginning, it's like, who do these people think they are that they can charge $6,000 for this?
[00:20:12] Speaker A: But see, here's, here's the crazy thing about that, is that there is a market for that and the market is usually you have all these CEOs and you have all these people that are so far ahead that in order to be that far ahead, they have forgotten completely who they are at soul level and they're making the money to be able to afford these and be like this.
[00:20:34] Speaker B: But then what does that say about the people who are running these?
[00:20:36] Speaker A: Yeah, but the, the people. I mean, I'm just saying I'm sounding.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Superior when I'm saying this right now. So I know it's an ego trap.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: For me, but all I'm, all I'm thinking is just like that takes a lot. So it's obviously like the stay of the people, the fact that they're comfortable, the fact that they're eating like what classes are offered. So it's never just the one thing. And I'm almost looking at it as more like a vacation with A plus added to it. Like, if I looked at it, I don't look at it like that. But of course, like you said, there is some that I'm like, why is it so expensive? But, but maybe it's not so much of why is it so expensive? Is more like what is it that you align with and where does the like.
Because it's like it's almost like for example, me doing hair. Right?
Yes, I'm exiting out. But for example, if I compared myself to when I first started in the prices that were there once upon a time, to the prices now in how with everything, everything keeps like going higher, maybe it's a, it's a more of a need than an actual greed.
[00:21:42] Speaker B: Right. And I'm just pointing out that I fell into that trap and I was being self righteous. Thinking they were being self righteous.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Boy, that ego's tricky.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: It is very tricky because it worked in so many weird ways.
But yes, I get your point completely. And I was just more like stating like I thought about it that way till I started realizing like, well, wait a second, like, because I went to a retreat to like a few retreats where it was like higher end things. But also that higher end was very higher end. Like we were staying in very nice places. We're having amazing meals, we were having transportation.
The way we were being taken care of was like, I feel a little baby. And I love that feeling. And at that time I was living in a whole nother life where I had the funds that I could afford it. So because of that, it wasn't like I didn't look at it, it was like so like over like expensive I thought it was just right and everything.
So that was just my. My two cents on that, I guess.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm just bringing it up because it was another trap that I realized not only do I did I fall into, I'm apparently still following in. Falling into.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. The next one is using practices as superiority yoga, fasting, prayer, meditation. They lose meaning if they feed pride.
Yeah.
[00:23:06] Speaker A: My thing when I first started, I'm going to be honest with you guys. So I always had issues meditating because I thought meditation was tune out the outside world in no thought and just be. And that's impossible, especially when you're first starting out. So I couldn't. And it's like it, it was. I would be like at rest for a little bit and then all of a sudden this thought would come up of, oh, you have this, this bill.
Or I need groceries. I can't forget today. I need to go get groceries. But Yen, the more I practice, the longer I was able to have peace before those things. Thoughts came in because I couldn't control the thoughts. And they would come in. But then I learned how to like have them be like a car. They come in and they just make their way out and then you just go back to your piece. But what I found that was really weird, it's like a very big ego trip is people will start being a. Well, how, how long do you meditate each morning? So I was a little embarrassed to say that. I was like, well, I normally do like maybe 20, 30 minutes. Like, oh, I do an hour, I do two hours.
And then you're like, yeah, that's exactly.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: What they're talking about. Yeah.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: And I was like, do I supp.
[00:24:17] Speaker B: Feel less from it?
[00:24:18] Speaker A: And I'm like, maybe I'm not doing it right. Maybe I'm just like supposed to go more into it. But the truth is, now that I see past that is you do you. You can only do what feels comfortable, what you have time to. Trust me, meditation doesn't even have to be like this full on closing in eyes and stuff. I find that meditation now for me is more going outside, taking a deep breath, being barefoot on the ground and just relaxing and enjoying. That to me is meditation. That's connection.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: But people, it's like, it's like I, it's. They're treating it like an endurance.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: So I'm better than you because I can do it for 2.3 hours. Yeah, yeah.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: And I'm going to say something that is going to sound really probably crazy, but it's truthful. And I'm just saying it out there.
This is why, like, I have such an issue with gurus. That ones are like, oh, I'm going.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: To go away, have a good time.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: I'm going to go in and I'm going to like be away from people and meditate for like two weeks straight. And now all of a sudden I'm coming out and I'm so much greater than you.
It's honorable that you dedicated that time to yourself. But just as you dedicate it to yourself, realize that the wisdom that's coming in, it's coming in to help you and whoever's ready to listen. Great for them. But that doesn't mean you're in a higher place than others.
And I know that there's probably people that like to follow gurus and stuff and hey, whatever you. Yes, exactly. All I'm saying is, to me, that is like a huge way of showing me like, no, this is not okay. And I just don't have that.
I don't see as anyone above me. That's the thing.
[00:25:55] Speaker B: Well, and that brings us back to these other subsections they're talking about. You talked about meditation and they're talking about, you know, using these practices as superiority. I think people do that with yoga. Yes, I can do this pose. You can't. So I'm better. No, you've got better genes. So you could learn it better.
[00:26:13] Speaker A: Oh, you started physically.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. You started when you were 6 years old. And I'm 42. Yeah, yeah.
So I can do warrior pose on this rock by the beach. You know, that's that classic pose you see in every pamphlet.
It's like, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, you're better than me. I can barely touch my toes.
And then fasting, I've noticed that too, because when I was going to a chiropractor, he, he got me to start fasting.
He said, three days is good to get all the benefits you need. But I noticed other people, they post that they're fasting and I'm gonna do this for eight days. It's like, okay, go for it.
I did the research he gave me and it looked like, you know, three days is good. You don't have to do a marathon. But these people dive in for their marathons and they, they, I think, I think, yes. I don't know enough about like an eight day fast to tell you what the benefits are. There probably are benefits, but when they post it, sometimes it does feel very prideful, doesn't it? When you See it?
[00:27:19] Speaker A: Oh, yes.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: I'm on day 12 of my cleanse.
[00:27:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
I just think it's. It becomes really silly sometimes. Like, it just sounds very silly. Especially when. When people are like.
Like for example. Yes. Have I done animal medicine? Certain ones. And I can't speak on it, but when I do speak on it, I'm speaking out of experience. I'm not saying it out loud because.
Oh, I'm like, like, I practice this and so much holier. I'm such so much ahead.
The funniest thing that ever happened to me that I think I still laugh about it every time I think about it is I went to Mexico to do a.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Ah.
[00:28:01] Speaker A: It's a ritual where you go in and it's like a sweat lodge. But that one is really intense because they crank up the heat. And it's literally a survival of if you're focused and you're relaxed, you'll have a great time. If not, you feel like you're getting burned alive almost.
And the thing about it that was really interesting is that we're getting ready and so it's really sweaty. So you're supposed to go with a muscle shirt or no shirt, and then like shorts, like kind of like you're going swimming. And then you wet yourself first with a bucket with warm water, and then you go in and then you like, lay around.
Well, because I was changing and I had this muscle shirt and on my shoulder, I forgot about the Campbell scars.
And this guy sees the Campbell scars and just completely is like, like, you did Campbell.
And I was like, yeah. And we're like about to go in and he's just like asking me all these questions and all this stuff. And I'm like, I didn't realize because I did it because of like, my own self growth. I didn't do it as a showing of things. And I didn't even realize it until he pointed it out and he was.
[00:29:13] Speaker B: Treating you as if you were superior. Yeah.
[00:29:15] Speaker A: And it was so weird because I'm like, there's nothing.
Yeah, it's just. It's just very strange, like how some people out there are very strange how they react to stuff, certain things, but just that you're aware. And I was caught off guard because first when he pointed out I didn't even know what he was talking about. And when he finally said Campbell and.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: He said, oh, yeah, because I had forgotten about. Yeah, right.
Okay. Well, the other thing on here is prayer, using that as superiority. And while you were talking, I could just hear like the little person in my head, like, you might mention something's been a little tough, and they go, I'll pray for you.
You didn't ask them. Yeah, but that sounds superior, doesn't it? Yeah, I'll pray for you.
[00:30:01] Speaker A: Or when you have different beliefs, and then they come to you, and it's really offensive when somebody say, like, you know, like, I'm gonna just pray for you, that you find, like, the light in your life. And I'm thinking, like, what?
[00:30:12] Speaker B: Like, I got light in my life.
[00:30:14] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:30:15] Speaker B: Why don't you see it? I'll better pray for you if you don't see it.
Yeah. So I think more of it being unsolicited.
[00:30:22] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: Y thinking that I can save you kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Nobody. We've already had episodes on that. Nobody wants to feel like somebody y sees the need to save them.
Okay, so the next one. Do you want to read that one?
[00:30:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Spiritual bypassing.
[00:30:42] Speaker B: Nope, Nope. Above.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: Oh, knowledge.
[00:30:45] Speaker B: We're going to bypass that.
[00:30:46] Speaker A: Sorry.
Knowledge. Without embodiment.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: Talk. Books and theories are empty if they don't transform how you live.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:57] Speaker B: Early in the spiritual journey, you're going to read so many books. Books, books, books, books. You're going to like and you're going to be amazed at all things you read in these books, but you're not going to practice a lot of them right off the bat.
But talking, I guess, being pedantic, talking as if you know it all, that could.
Could be the case.
Another thing is my tarot teacher has a website called Eli's Western Magic Website. And it's got a list of.
You could call them ceremonies. He calls them rituals to do. And I'll read about them and they'll go, that'd be a great ritual to try out. And then I'll think about it, you know what. And put it away. It's so different to read about a ritual or a ceremony and actually conduct it and feel the feelings from it and how energy changes as a result of your focus and your intention.
That I can't even compare them, because when I read about it, it's like, oh, okay, I see. That has potential. But then when I do it, it's just astounding.
And I think that's true of.
Well, and it's natural at the beginning of the journey, guys, to just be reading a lot of books.
[00:32:08] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:32:08] Speaker B: But you do. There has to come a point where you apply that to your life. Just. That's why I'm bringing up this thing with the rituals. It's like yeah, you. You can see the potentiality in it, but to actually do it and feel the benefits of it, it's just a whole different story.
[00:32:26] Speaker A: And you know that that is also allowing yourself to grow. Because I can remember ever since the very beginning, yes, I did read books, but the thing that I love doing is following people that, like, inspired me, like, especially on YouTube, like, people that would come in and there would be.
They would be talking about spirituality, and they had such depth to how they were talking about things and things that they experience.
And so that would. That would really motivate me to, like, be like, okay, I know what I'm going through is a process, and I know I'm going to be in a better spot, so I need to keep moving forward. But the thing is, at that time, that helped its inspiration, and eventually I started more practicing what was actually being shared. But in the very beginning, it's almost as if we all have these 3D lives and these 3D characters. And then when you start your spiritual awakening, you start awakening to yourself of who you truly are. And you find that a lot of things don't resonate with you anymore because you find that all those things were just things that was brought up to you, but they didn't really quite worry you. And so as you start discovering more of you, you start realizing that all of a sudden you're practicing this in your real life, because it's almost like you're remembering who you were, who you once were, and you're starting to recognize yourself by who you are in essence, rather than social programming, for lack of a better word.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: Okay, well, when I was thinking about this particular topic, I was also thinking, you know, it says theories are empty if they don't transform how you live.
And I was thinking about early in the spiritual journey, and I think what happened for me and is probably true of other people is that I didn't believe I could do these things yet.
So you could read about telepathy, you could read about meditating, you could read about tarot, but you didn't think you had the ability yet.
[00:34:50] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: And I think that's very natural. And I think that's part of what this is here. Knowledge without embodiment. But eventually something's going to call to you where you decide, I'm going to dip my toe into the pool.
I'm going to take somebody else's class where we actually practice these things instead of just talk about them, or I'm going to go to, like, the drum circle is A good one. A lot of people who come to our drum circle don't know anything about drumming.
[00:35:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:19] Speaker B: You know, they don't own drums. We have extra drums and it's just their first time and.
But I think a lot of them think they don't know how to do it. Am I doing it wrong? You know, so.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: So you brought up a good point. And you've really identified in a way where it really made sense to me, because it's about dipping your feet in the pool.
So, yes, you can gather information from books, yes, you can gather information from whatever resources you have around you, but it is highly encouraged just so that you can grow and accept others and also see where you're at and also see the practices by taking classes. Whether it's like, it could be like a journey class, it could be like a breath work exercise, because then you're holding yourself accountable to go through these experiences and what they're going to bring to you is more of a true.
You applying that in your life, I feel.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, first of all, you'll find that, yes, you can do it.
Maybe you're just on the beginning curve, but yes, you can do it.
Like. Like when we went to the workshop with the qigong. Oh, yeah, that was fantastic. Neither of us had ever done that.
[00:36:32] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: I was like, whoa, this is easier than I thought. But see, that was even me, an advanced stage of spiritual growth, thinking, oh, I never tried it because I didn't think I could do it. And then the step she showed us were lovely and not over pushing the body at all.
[00:36:55] Speaker A: What I loved about that was the fact of moving energy, because I could feel the shifting of energy got hot right away, too. But I love that it was a very gentle.
[00:37:04] Speaker B: Goes to show it's different to read about it than to do it.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: So I guess the encouragement is.
Yes, read about these things, learn about them, decide if something's right for you. But at some point in your spiritual path, you're going to really feel the calling toward at least one of these things you've been reading about. And you will have to take that active first step to follow up on trying it out.
[00:37:31] Speaker A: Or you could be like me and try everything out just to know which things you like and which things you don't like.
[00:37:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. For those of you who like intensive courses.
[00:37:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:44] Speaker B: I say study at your own pace, people.
[00:37:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
And I say try it all.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
And I think the other thing, too, when I'm thinking about talk and theories. You mentioned YouTube. You could watch People talk to each other and listen to our podcast about spirituality all day long. Yeah, but does that mean it's, it's really hitting home?
[00:38:11] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: You know, it's like your intellectual mind is going, interesting, interesting, interesting. But that's the rational mind. And the rational mind cannot understand spirituality.
So you have to move beyond the cognitive and the rational into the irrational.
[00:38:27] Speaker A: Oh my gosh.
[00:38:28] Speaker B: So isn't spirituality an irrational process?
[00:38:32] Speaker A: It is, but it's so funny that she says that because so I've been really balancing between left side brain, right side brain. Right. So the right side is the one that's like, wants to be logical and then the other one is the one that it's like all these things on, like setting intention and then like following, like doing this ritual work and stuff like that. And so I'm like trying to go on the right, the right brain about it and I try to keep thinking about it. And what's really funny is that we. Lola went with me and so she's a witness to this. And I had to drop off a pendant. And I was so busy trying to drop off the pendant that all of a sudden I hit my head really hard on a branch, on a tree branch because our friend was picking up apples outside of her property.
I didn't see the branch. It actually created such a scrape that I still have a little bit of a scar to it. But the point is, it's like I was trying to be so right headed brain about it that it's like my left brain was like the one that was needed. And it's funny how sometimes when you're connecting with spirit and stuff, certain things even happen to make you realize like that side of the brain doesn't really need to be as used as much as the left side of the brain. And I felt like it was, to me it was more of a, like I just hit the right side of my brain to like bring it down. Like, you don't have to overthink about it. And I don't think that any left.
[00:39:59] Speaker B: Side of the brain's the overthinker though. That's the cognitive.
[00:40:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: Rational side.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: That's the right side of the brain.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: Is the artistic one that doesn't think in words.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: So, okay, so, so yes, I did it backwards.
[00:40:14] Speaker B: Okay. I was trying to follow your conversation.
[00:40:15] Speaker A: Yeah, sorry. So yes, I did it backwards. But I, I nonetheless, it just gave me that point to just stop and be like, why am I moving so fast? Why? What is it that I'm prioritizing What are the things I need to be working on? And sometimes when we're going too fast in life, something happens where it makes us stop and think about things. So for me, it's funny you say.
[00:40:38] Speaker B: This after you told everybody to do the intensive course.
[00:40:42] Speaker A: Yes, but that was also me beginning. I said, in the beginning I tried everything, too. Like, just know what I like. But, yes, sometimes we just have to stop and just.
It's almost like sipping that coffee early morning. Just relax, focus on what you're trying to do, and see, like, move, kind of see where you. Their next step is. You don't have to rush into everything.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And then I wanted to go back to left side, right side of the brain, because the right side brain's the intuitive part. That's what you can read a lot about, sports, spirituality. You can listen to those talk shows.
And that's going to be the left side of the brain processing the words. Okay. But then the. Then we have to go to the right side of brain to start trusting your intuition, which is definitely part of spirituality. Feel those feelings that need to be cleared. That is part of the spirituality.
So if anybody thinks that you're only going to be using one side of the brain in this process, surprise, you do need to do a lot of balancing. And so just reading about something is just only going to tickle the left side of the brain.
Okay. All right, all right.
So now we're moving on to the topic that I think is a big, big lulu.
You guys heard Amaral mention it before? Spiritual bypass passing.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:42:06] Speaker B: Using love and light to avoid shadow work or responsibility stalls evolution.
Oh, come on, people. Oh, I've seen this so much.
[00:42:17] Speaker A: Well, I think that when we first start our path and we start connecting, because we're really focusing on the higher chakras, for the most point, we should focus on all of them. But I'm saying, like, when you first start out, usually it's like the higher chakras that we're connecting to. So we do feel this love light, and we're like, oh, everything's so wonderful and everything.
But as you move forward, there is shadow work to be done, and it's not. Somebody one time told me, oh, you are already divine, and you're already everything you need it to be. You're just remembering who you are. Well, yes, in theory, yes. But when we go through this thing called path called life, in this journey, we pick up traumas because we choose to pick that and call it our own story. So what that does is our Own light gets dimmed down. And so all we're doing is remembering who we are at soul level by releasing who we're not. And it's a exchange part that some people don't realize. And that's what we're talking about with spiritual piping. Not everything can be good. Like, you got to have that balance. You got to have that shadow, that light.
And that shadow holds a lot of potential because that is truly what you see yourself as weakness or faulty. But once you see them, see those things in the right light, you realize their true strengths instead of weaknesses.
[00:43:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And at the very least, you can neutralize.
[00:43:45] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:43:49] Speaker B: I can't stand the term love and light.
Never could.
Especially early in my journey. You know, everybody was using it. It was like code word. And it's like, I think maybe part of why it might have been it easier for me to see the shadows because I'm a Gemini, so Gemini, I see light and dark naturally, where some other people don't. I could never. I couldn't even say it. Everybody would be saying, as a salutation, love and light. And I could. I never said it back to anybody ever, even at its heyday, because it felt so false to me and that. And now that I didn't know the term spiritual bypassing at the time, because this is like 12 years ago, but I see it now for what it is. My soul knew.
[00:44:35] Speaker A: Recognize that my soul knew.
[00:44:37] Speaker B: If you say that, you will compromise yourself, Lola. Because it isn't all love and light.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: And, you know, that's so funny, too, Lola, because now I realize that that's what my soul was doing to me when I was forced to go to these masses constantly. And they would talk about certain things, and I would be like, this doesn't seem right. Like, this is not. It's not going to my soul. I'm not feeling it at my soul level. So there's something about this information that's not quite aligning with me. And I realized it's because it was program information and it wasn't really, truly stuff that connected with me. So it's the same thing.
[00:45:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: And especially I feel like Gemini's out of all signs, really came to deal with polarity because you got the whole twins.
[00:45:22] Speaker B: Yeah. So I get light and dark. But because of that, I understand that other people don't perceive what I perceive.
So it's probably harder for them to think anything other than love and light is the way to go.
But here's another thing I hate about love and light.
I see people because we go through all these ups and downs like you talked about earlier, Right. We're always having the next challenge and the next chance people think they're doing something wrong.
It's like it isn't all love and light in my life. Oh, I'm a failure at the spirituality thing. Oh, I'm doing it all wrong. No, you're not. No, but it, but that term is going to make you think you are.
[00:46:03] Speaker A: And if you think about the basics of what we're here in this planet for is to feel emotions. So if you're going to feel emotions, you're going to feel the spectrum of emotions, meaning all emotions, good emotions, not so great emotions, because it's all teaching you something. It's all helping you with balancing out your own emotions.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: It's helping you to master yourself.
[00:46:26] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:46:29] Speaker B: But here's, here's where spiritual bypassing becomes very, very dangerous. I think it's dangerous enough when people start to think, oh, I'm bad at this, I'm doing it wrong, I'm a failure. Okay. But then there's those people who are, oh, well, Janet is having a really hard time right now. Well, she must have brought it onto herself because she wasn't carrying enough love and light.
Have you not seen that?
[00:46:55] Speaker A: I have seen it.
[00:46:56] Speaker B: Uh huh.
[00:46:58] Speaker A: And I mean, don't get me wrong, I also have seen the other side where there's people that choose.
I mean it is a real symptom to be like obviously depressed and stuff. I'm not saying it's not. But at the same time, like there's a lot of times where we have to go sort through emotions and then try to choose you by saying, well, what is also bringing this emotion constantly? And what is it that I'm haven't faced yet? So that that way I can be a little more balanced about it.
[00:47:28] Speaker B: Well, and balance is what we're talking is exactly the right thing. Love and light is out of balance.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:47:36] Speaker B: But I'm talking about when people are acting superior to others because they're going through a hard time. I'm not. I'm carrying more love and light.
They are not. Oh, too bad, too bad for them.
You know, the funny thing is eventually it all cycles. You know, if a pendulum swings one way, it's going to swing the other. So I'm sure most of these people with the. Because we're talking about ego traps, you know, who fall into the trap of saying, oh, I'm better than they are because they're not carrying enough love and light.
It'll backfire eventually and they'll learn their lesson from that.
[00:48:12] Speaker A: But yeah.
[00:48:16] Speaker B: Any other kind of spiritual bypassing that you can think of? I mean, a lot of people just plain old avoid the shadow work.
[00:48:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's the other thing too. So for me, like, for example, being a facilitator for breath work, it's really interesting when people come, especially when they want to do their. The breath work for the first time. So the mindset you want to have is this openness of, I'm open to whatever is ready to come out. But when you go and close and are nervous and stuff, you're probably not going to get the best benefit from it because you're closing up to the experience.
And that's what it is. It's like the one thing that I always say is healing yourself is the one thing that no one else can do for you, for you, that you have to do yourself. So there's a level of accountability, too, that goes with that spiritual bypassing. Because if you're not willing to look into your own shadows, if you're not willing to look into those uncomfortable emotions, that's something that no one else can do for you. But that's also something that will greatly benefit you when you start really understanding where they're coming from.
[00:49:23] Speaker B: I think one thing that might help us to look at the word she, shadow.
Because people, because of usually religious training, they think of that being bad.
[00:49:33] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: But what they're saying.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: I used to think it was bad.
[00:49:35] Speaker B: What they're saying was shadow. Yeah. I remember that time you came to me and we talked about shadow work for the first time.
The. The shadow is just what you're not aware of. Your subconscious fears.
[00:49:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: Okay. And things that you think are flaws about yourself that you subconsciously hidden as well. And these go back to childhood traumas and things like that. So, of course, you know, it's hard to revisit, but it doesn't make them bad. Okay. So shadow does not mean demons. Shadow does not mean, you know, you're looking at the pits of hell. What it means is you're looking at the parts of you that you've tucked away into your subconscious, and now you're just going to shine the light on it. That's the love and light, you know, the balance, the shadow and the light.
So I think.
And it does. It takes. It's.
It requires personal courage to do it. But I think the label itself makes it sound like it's just, I'm gonna be looking at the face of evil. No, you're gonna look at the parts of you that are wounded.
[00:50:38] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:50:39] Speaker B: That's not evil.
[00:50:40] Speaker A: And the best way to look at it that like the one thing that really made me change my way I was looking at it. When you look at the yin yang, ying and yang sign, it has equal light and equal shadow, plus there's a little circle, plus there's a little circle. But look at yourself as that.
[00:50:58] Speaker B: But within the white comma there's a black dot and within the black comma there's a white dot showing. It has to be both.
[00:51:05] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:51:06] Speaker B: Even within the comma. Yep.
So I. I hope that helps.
These are just things for you to be aware of, you know.
And like we're saying, some of these things I've fallen into the trap of.
And other things that you'll see in other people. And that way you'll know where they're at on their journey and you know how, you know, hopefully work with that.
[00:51:35] Speaker A: We have one more. Okay.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: Do you want to read that one?
[00:51:38] Speaker A: Yes. It's clinging to labels.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: And some of the labels mentioned here are seeker, healer, awake.
Identities can become cages if you hold them too tightly.
One of them it mentions we just talked about food as a badge, like vegan, carnivore, whole foods.
One doesn't make you more superior than the other or more spiritual than the other. Sorry.
Here's the label that's driving me nuts lately. And maybe it's because I have someone some healing to do myself on this.
But when people say chosen ones, that. That's a term that's been on the Internet a lot lately. And when I hear chosen ones to.
[00:52:22] Speaker A: Be.
[00:52:25] Speaker B: It sounds like ego to me.
[00:52:27] Speaker A: See, and I. I used to look at it. Well, I guess now I look at it differently because I feel like you pick to be your chosen one because of the fact that you working on yourself, you choose to heal yourself. So you are the chosen one. By you, not by these people are.
[00:52:43] Speaker B: Saying we're one of the 144,000 special.
[00:52:46] Speaker A: Souls, you know, picked.
[00:52:48] Speaker B: Picked by God by hand to be here. Now you're approved sources approved, all of us who are here.
[00:52:56] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:52:56] Speaker B: Or we wouldn't be here.
[00:52:58] Speaker A: Well, we're all part of Source.
[00:53:00] Speaker B: Yes, Seeker is an interesting word that they're using because seeker means you haven't found yourself yet.
And so you will constantly be seeking.
[00:53:11] Speaker A: Unless you do like seeking of truth seeking.
[00:53:14] Speaker B: But truth is relative. So you still have to go within. It's still you. Yeah, you're, you know, so what you're doing is you're seeking something outside of you if you continue to call yourself a seeker.
[00:53:25] Speaker A: And I feel like we're all healers, which is so funny to me when it says. When I read the word healer, healer, it's like we're all healers, whether it's of ourselves that we haven't learned how to heal others yet, but we all.
[00:53:37] Speaker B: That might be more of how people promote themselves.
Like, some people, like, when you see their videos, they're like, I know I'm going to do a profound healing on you. You know, it's going to be, you know, the most amazing thing that ever happened in your life.
You know, so it could. It could be great. But, you know, you got to watch for the puffery.
[00:54:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:06] Speaker B: And awake. Well, I don't know. There's levels of being awake, I guess.
[00:54:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:14] Speaker B: You know, so I guess if you think you're. You know it all, then you probably really aren't awake if you think you're that awake. Right.
Boy, it's such a catch 22 that. That little ego is funny.
So. But I guess if you hold on to these labels too tightly is what they. What they're saying. So you do need to go with the flow. You do need to be flexible.
Now let's look. Let's look at us early in our spiritual growth. At some point, I didn't think I could be a healer and learn Reiki.
[00:54:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:46] Speaker B: And neither did you.
[00:54:48] Speaker A: No. In fact, it was so funny because I felt like when I took my Reiki classes, a lot of the time was spent on, like, am I even gonna ever be able to do?
And Babs used to be like, you're fine. You're where you need to be. You're gonna surprise yourself to, like, grow into this healer that you had no idea you were. And she was right. But that time I couldn't see because all I could see was the faulty in me. That's. That's what holds us back the most with that.
[00:55:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And then once you start learning what the process is and realizing, especially with Reiki, that this is something everyone can do.
[00:55:26] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:55:28] Speaker B: Then I think you. You either could go two ways. You could go like this and say, I feel full of ego. I'm a healer. I got all my training.
[00:55:37] Speaker A: I'm amazing.
[00:55:38] Speaker B: Or you could be more like us, which is like, wow, everyone can do this. This is cool.
[00:55:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:55:45] Speaker B: So I guess.
And then the other one, if we've just got a few minutes to talk at this point. But the. The other term that I have had a hard time with through my entire spiritual journey is light worker.
[00:56:01] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:56:01] Speaker B: Because I think some people do use that term with a lot of ego.
[00:56:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:56:07] Speaker B: So I try to use it as little as possible.
And I remember there was one episode where we were talking about the guy on TikTok who does the binaural codes. You know, he gives you a code with a certain intention with ones and zeros in it.
And I actually called him a lightworker because I consider him a true lightworker.
So that's not a word I throw around.
He's actually bringing light to people with these codes. But I think a lot of people use it as a term of ego, from what I have observed.
[00:56:42] Speaker A: Yes, I could see that. I've seen that, actually.
[00:56:45] Speaker B: Yeah. It starts to get into the I'm so special. Like, I'm the one of the 144,000, you know, and really, we all carry light, so we're all lightworkers. But it's always been just like, with the love and light. I've had a hard time with that term, light worker. And I also have a hard time with other words.
All my life I've had trouble with awesome because people don't use awesome properly, you know, oh, that's awesome. Oh, gosh.
A new flavor of bubble gum. That's awesome. Awesome means it's filled with awe.
You should not be using awesome loosely. That's how I feel about lightworker.
You know, it's like, learn what these things mean before you start banding the term around. Just like, it's like, oh, there's a lightworker, there's a lightworker. There's a light worker, there's a light worker. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome.
That's just me, though.
And that could be my ego talking as well.
I recognize that as I say it.
[00:57:47] Speaker A: Ultimately, I think what we're talking about is just clinging to the labels themselves. If you're like, that is what defines you. That is who you are. It's almost like a pride thing. And when it's, like, too much, then it's not going to work in your favor. So that's kind of what it's trying to teach you. Just everything in moderation, everything is balanced.
[00:58:08] Speaker B: And as you go along, you know, you start to be less prideful and maybe start to be more cautious about the words you're using, things like that. And also, you become more forgiving of others when you see that they're falling into one of these traps, too.
So there you go.
Every time we talk about ego, I find out there's more of my ego to challenge.
[00:58:28] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Well, we all have ego, and it comes out of nowhere, so it's kind of surprising. Well, thank you for listening in. Don't forget to share with anyone that you think could benefit from this episode.
[00:58:42] Speaker B: And please visit mysticalwares.com or mystical wares if you're in Skagit Valley.
[00:58:48] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:58:49] Speaker B: Bye.
