[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness.
Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you're likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week.
Join us as we spill the tea on what it is like to wake up to your authentic self.
Well, hello again. I am Lola Singer, and I'm back with my favorite co host, Amaral.
And we have been talking about the ups and downs of the spiritual path, which is exactly what this podcast is about. Right.
Maybe people who are new need a little reminder that when I had the opportunity to start a podcast, I wanted a co host. I was very, very fortunate that Amaral agreed, and I let him know that I feel like there's a need for people to, especially on the beginning of their spiritual journey, to understand that it as easy a ride as you might think it is based on what you see on social media.
So it has its ups, it has its downs, and it's really a cycle of inner journeying, healing, facing some truths about yourself, lots of forgiveness.
So we wanted people to understand that you're not doing anything wrong if sometimes things feel really hard on the path.
So we want to come at this from a different angle today. Would you like to tell them?
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Yes. So today we thought of an episode that would still be part of the awakening process. But the. Our title for our episode today is why People Don't Regret a Spiritual Path.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: Yes. So for those of you are new, if you start talking to people who've been on the spiritual journey for a while, that they will be very honest with you. They will let you know that there have been some really hard times, really, really honest looks that they've had to make it that they didn't want to, probably.
But ultimately it all leads to something better.
And so we just wanted to let you know that it is not all gloom and doom. It is not the payoff for all of this.
Self knowledge, self sacrifice, self recognition that requires honesty and courage is definitely worth it, don't you think?
[00:02:32] Speaker B: Yes, it definitely is worth it.
I think that what we're trying to do is we're really trying to get away from people thinking it's all love and light, because it's not.
There is great moments, obviously, because does give bring in more peace, more acknowledgment of self, more truth to who you truly are, but depending on the denseness of things that you have to go through, that can be A process itself.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: Yeah. So if you, if you look on social media, I always make jokes about it. You know, you're gonna see the guy in the linen shirt with the long blonde hair wearing, you know, beads and the wind is blowing and he's like on a, on a cliff at Malibu. And so we just.
I know we're both laughing because it's just so ridiculous. It's such a stereotype or it's like, you know what's ridiculous for me? That people stereotype me and think I should be running around like a hippie wearing tie dye shirts. And you guys, I'm a punk rock girl. I never would wear a tie dye shirt. It's just not in me to do it. So just because you're spiritual doesn't mean you have to fit a stereotype. And that guy on the Malibu cliff is a stereotype. He's an archetype. He's not real.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: But that's so, isn't it? So it's so funny because when it comes to spirituality, they'll, they'll try to bring. That is like, that is like what the common perception of it is. But that would be like, if we flip it around and said anyone that believes in this religion, they all look like this, that would be a stereotype as well. So it just doesn't fit in. Everybody's so different.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Yes. So you're unique and everyone's unique on their own path. And everyone has reasons to keep going.
And it is not all incense and enlightenment. It is roll up the sleeves and be honest. Yeah.
[00:04:25] Speaker B: And I do have to say that when I first started, because not knowing the path. Of course. And I just do want to mention this because I'm sure there are a lot of our people listening that would understand this. So at first I thought it was kind of like a little bit of like going a little bit on the hippie ish side. Only because everything was more per se, like going into more natural things. Right?
[00:04:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: That's a tendency. But then I realized that going natural meaning like eating healthier foods, really being cautious of what you're consuming so that it's better for you, it's not toxic towards you. That's not necessarily a hippie thing. That's just more of a taking care of yourself thing. But it is more natural, nature oriented, good for you things.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So you don't have to conform to a stereotype.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:05:15] Speaker A: Like our friend Mary is a great example.
She eats really healthy like we're talking about. She's a Spiritual advisor. And she loves heavy metal music and tells everybody that she does.
[00:05:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: So.
So I guess the first thing we want wanted to let you know is the whole podcast is trying to teach you, based on our experiences, that you're probably not doing anything wrong.
[00:05:37] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: Okay. And if you like punk rock like I do, that's okay.
All right. And if you never wear a tie dye T shirt in your life, that's okay too.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:05:48] Speaker A: Okay. So we're being a little facetious in some respects, but the whole point is that despite any challenges, despite any stereotyping, despite any misperceptions, people rarely ever regret choosing the spiritual path.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: So let's start with our first point. Why do people start the path? What would be some of the things that you can think of? Lola, that why you started the path?
[00:06:13] Speaker A: I started because I had been pursuing conspiracy theories to the point where it had become toxic.
Now, I'm not against being aware. I'm still aware. But I was investing so much of my emotion into being, you know, galled and angry and mortified and then eventually fatalistic. You know, like, we'll never get out of this.
That at one point I realized how toxic it had become.
And I said, there has to be some way. There has to be something beyond this. Because I could. I knew I was spiraling, and I was new. I was spiraling. I have a psychology great degree. I knew I was spiraling in a very bad direction.
Thankfully, I had enough self awareness for that. So I started meditating regularly, you know, to calm myself. And I set the intention. This is. I don't know if I should tell people, but I set the intention to have a spiritual breakthrough.
So every time I was meditating, I put on the theta wave music and I go to a deep, deep, deep, you know, theta state.
And usually I fell asleep, but, you know, you get downloads and all kinds of things happen while you're sleeping. So I was shifting a lot because I was in these subconscious states and I was. I was getting information.
Um, but be careful what you ask for when you ask for a spiritual.
What did I call it? Spiritual breakthrough. Because that's when my light language started coming through. That was my spiritual breakthrough, But I was tapping into a reservoir of knowledge that I was already familiar with, I think.
So the way I like to think of, like, how to describe when I was first researching light language is like, there's thought bubbles.
So there's thought bubbles of how other people throughout different cultures have managed situations. Like, I was in, like, when they start meditating and so sometimes spontaneously, you could tap into. Oh, here's a technique to help you manage your system.
And for me, it was light language. I could feel it change in my body. I know it must work on all of the same reasons why people do work with, like, somatic healing. And so I just happened to tap into that bubble. It was the light language bubble.
[00:08:38] Speaker B: And see, for me, I felt like I just kind of got pinned up to finally, like, being able to face myself. Because before my biggest spiritual awakening started, right as Covid started. And the reason is because as we felt the world stopped, it also stopped for us to be able to look at ourselves and see ourselves through a mirror and see what we liked about ourselves. And at that point, I have been running on films for so long, pleasing everyone, trying to do everything for everyone. I'm sure a lot of you can relate out there. And I got to the point where I realized I'm doing everything for everyone, and what am I doing for myself? That nothing.
And the question was asked, what do you like about yourself? And I said, nothing, because I didn't even know who I was.
And that's the spirit. That was, in essence, the beginning of my spiritual awakening. And what got me to start this path is who am I? Really? Like, once you take off the mask, once you get all these crazy expectations that were never yours to begin with, who am I?
[00:09:50] Speaker A: And these are protective masks at the time.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: But, yeah. So let's dive into our topic now.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah. So pain, confusion, loss, that. That's a catalyst for most people.
[00:10:04] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:10:05] Speaker A: I think. You know, and that's true for what we're both sharing with you. You know, something felt wrong. Something felt very wrong. Yep.
[00:10:12] Speaker B: And I like to put the word as we. I think that the common ground that we all have is we were very disbalanced one way or another.
Because the. When you go through your spiritual path, that is about. It's all about balancing and not being too much on one side, too much on the other, because we can't reach perfection, but we can certainly reach balancing.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: Yep. We can correct our wobble. That's how I like to say it.
Okay. So, yeah, the real story is that people do. Do stay on the path because it's.
It's untenable to stay where they're at.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So there are some payoffs, you know, for moving forward and staying on the path. And one of them is that you start to see yourself more clearly, which is what you were talking about when you started removing masks.
And for the first time, you know, being willing to be honest and vulnerable with yourself. Like, who am I? Like you just said.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: And that can be scary too.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: Very.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: Because you're not used to seeing yourself. In fact, you grew up thinking you were yourself, when really all it was is you were catering to a society in a mold of this is how you need to act. This is how you're supposed to act. This is how you're supposed to behave. But what happens when you discover who you truly are? It's almost like getting to know a version of you that you've never known. And even more importantly, others get to experience a new version of you they have never known.
[00:11:42] Speaker A: You're right about that. And some of them can adapt to that pretty well and others can't.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah. And some people just need their spaces. And just as we know now, part of that spiritual path is we're gonna shed away people that are no longer aligned with us. We're gonna shed away things. And it's about being open for that change because people will come and go out of your life throughout your awakening journey. For sure.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And it does feel good to start to see the true you. It's scary at first, but it feels so good to be authentic.
[00:12:19] Speaker B: It does.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: And when you start realizing, like, you, you had the people pleaser mask, you know, it's like, oh, my gosh, I don't have to hold on to that.
And I had the posturing, you know, I'm going to hurt you before you hurt me. Punk attitude.
You know, and that was totally defensive. Yeah. You know, based on my emotional wounding growing up. And, you know, so to let that armor down. And I talk to a lot of people and you know, because I'm a spiritual counselor basically, and I talk to a lot of people who wear that armor and are, you know, we're so comfortable with that armor. It's protective, it feels safe. But once you realize to have that much emotional armor on you, you have to be hyper vigilant at all times.
So it's actually very, very stressful to keep that amount of vigilance up.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: So it's just a breath of relief to say, oh, my God. Energetically, I can remove, you know, at least, I can at least remove a gauntlet for now.
[00:13:21] Speaker B: You know, I think my biggest mine just breaker at that time was, wait, I can say no.
And that's like big.
[00:13:32] Speaker A: I'm sure a lot of people in the audience can relate to that because we're rewarded for sacrificing ourselves.
[00:13:38] Speaker B: Yep. And I was that yes person, I would say yes to everyone. Even if that included me draining myself, me not having any energy, I would still say yes. So when I started learning how to say no, and it was so big, and first, it felt weird to even say no until, like, I had to get used to it. In fact, one person told me, like, I think that it would be good for you to practice your boundaries by just not in a mean way or anything, but just say no for a month. Say no to everything for a month. Anything extra that you don't need in your life, just say no. Like, everyone that asks you, just say no for just a month. Just to test out where you're at as far as your ability to be able to say no. And it was the most uncomfortable thing ever because I've never done it before.
But it also started to teach me boundaries and what healthy boundaries mean and how sometimes a yes to someone can be a no to you.
Well, a lot of times yes to something can be a no to you in my case. So, yeah, that's. That's. That was a huge thing for me.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: Yes, I can imagine it would be in your case. And then for me, you know, it was. It was huge to realize I could soften, you know, because I had spent almost all my life.
Some people in the audience don't know this, that I'm a twin. And all my life I was the bad twin.
I always got that label. I wasn't bad, you guys. I was almost a straight A student. The teachers loved me.
What. The reason I was the bad twin is because I would point out the problems in the household.
There's an elephant in the living room, and I'm not going to shut up about it. So that made me the bad twin, and I internalized it. And then there were other things too, but I basically.
So. So in order to compensate that, I postured. So like you're saying, once you can start taking off those masks, it's like, oh, my gosh, there always was a nice girl under here. Yeah, I'm a good student. People like me for the most part. But. But I felt like I couldn't trust people. And now, now I see that. Okay, it's okay to trust. I can be vulnerable. I can show them who I am now. And even though that's difficult, it feels so good.
Yeah, let's just keep going. I think people can probably relate to both of our stories here.
Okay. So I don't have to be the bad girl anymore.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: And I never was. But that was the eye Opening thing. I never was.
I just accepted it.
Okay.
So you talked about boundaries, you talked about letting go of masks. And, you know, the spiritual path is basically learning to disappoint the right people, which is absolutely right. You know, it's like, why are we trying to impress these people who want us to pigeonhole us and tell us who we are? Right. Yeah.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: Because our worst critics, they're. They're critics because they're never going to get us. They're not ever going to really. They're not trying to pick on you or to be like your critic because they love you in the first place.
They're trying to pick you apart so they bring you down.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: That's one of the really wonderful things about the spiritual path too, is that people who don't fit you, your. Who you. Who you become, tend to fall away anyway.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: So these people where we. You have that. Aha. Like, why am I trying to impress these people in the first place?
And they just tend to. To disappear from your life, which is great.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: And that is one of the benefits, because I do remember, like, I was like growing up because I always said yes, like automatically people would just be like, oh, we can just like, pretty much like get anything we want from him.
[00:17:36] Speaker A: So thank goodness you didn't have a truck. Everybody would have you be moving.
[00:17:40] Speaker B: Exactly. Well. And I remember those. Those times there was a lot of people that I would encounter that I would be like, man, that person is so mean.
Or that person is just not a very nice person and always mistreats me. But yet I always give them passes. Cause I'm like, they're gonna change. They're gonna change. I'm gonna be so nice that I'm gonna make them change.
[00:18:01] Speaker A: Uh oh, that goes with our ego episode, doesn't it?
[00:18:05] Speaker B: But it was so crazy because the moment you really start reflecting on and start like, really, like, seeing who you truly are and becoming that version of yourself, those mean people go away. So that's what I was getting to as far as the benefits from those. Those people that are.
They can no longer stand because they need you to be at that lower place in order for them to play a role in your life.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: They're manipulating you, basically. Yeah. And they want you to be predictable.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: So guess what, guys? It feels really good to disappoint the right people. It really does.
That's actually a perk.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: Okay. And another thing is you start to trust yourself more because you are being more authentic. And then you start to trust your insights. Stinks better so something as simple as, you know when you're at the stoplight in the car and you have that hesitation light, I think when the light turns green, I should just wait just a couple seconds before I put the foot on the gas and then somebody goes careening right through the light.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: You start to trust things like that more. That's more tangible, you know, and then it builds and you start to trust your intuition even more and more and more.
You start to trust your gut feelings. You try to trust the feeling in your heart.
So you become less head centered and more in tune to the subtle information that you're getting.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: And you know, because everything is a growth and we mentioned this before, but you start growing and then you will even start looking up at some people and you're like, oh man, that person is like, great. I love what they're saying and stuff. And that's great. That aligns with you at that time. That's totally fine. And then you start growing and you start like outgrowing people too.
[00:19:48] Speaker A: And that's totally normal on the path.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And people that you looked up to and you thought like, oh my gosh, they're so great. Now all of a sudden they're no longer really aligning with you. And that's totally fine too.
[00:19:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Because they were a stair step for you. So there's nothing wrong with them having been part of your growth and that you can learn a lot from them. And these teachers, these people who write books or on the Internet or you get a reading from, they can help you. But it is, it's totally normal to start trusting your instincts more and going, oh, I think that person was good for a while. First season. And now I'm in a new season so I'm going to look for some more people who feel like they can help me on the path.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: And it's interesting because like, for example, for me when I first started, which I'm pretty sure it's pretty familiar with everyone else, and if you haven't checked her out, she has great stuff. But Abraham Hicks is an example of someone that I used to follow.
[00:20:44] Speaker A: Abraham Hicks is the collective.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: Esther Hicks is the person you're talking about.
[00:20:49] Speaker B: Let me go back. Esther Hicks and Abraham Hicks is the collective she connects to to get the wisdom.
[00:20:54] Speaker A: She's a channeler.
[00:20:55] Speaker B: Yep. And so I was so excited. I remember that I even got a ticket to go see her in person. And it was amazing though she is great because when she went into the collective, when she connected with a collective. Collective is of an entire different person. Like just completely just mannerisms, speaking, ways of speaking. Like it's so different that there's like a before and after for sure.
But as I moved through my journey, it's not that she wasn't great anymore. It's just the fact that I started seeking more. I guess I started just connecting with others or connecting with other people.
[00:21:36] Speaker A: Well, you're trying to. Your frequency shifts and so you're.
Who's a. Who's a good match for you changes too. I, I agree. I started early in my journey listening to the Abraham Hicks recordings. And they're very helpful.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Yeah, they're very helpful.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: And I ended up growing it too. But it was great at the time.
So that. But I guess it's.
There are people who open doors for you, I think.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: And it's up to you if you want to stay in that room or if you want to go further. And we're talking in this episode about going further.
[00:22:08] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:22:09] Speaker A: So what's the next door? What's the next door? What's the next door? Yeah, what else can I learn? How more can I grow? You know, so when your intuition's improving, you start to be. It's easier to make decisions, which is another perk, isn't it?
[00:22:23] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: Because you start. You can. Even if it's.
You know what's kind of fun when you're at the beginning of the, of the journey is you start to learn techniques for that. You know, like I do tarot, but you know, even something like when people do the. I can't remember the term for it, but like they'll do that. You stand up, you ask yourself a question you know the answer to. So it's like, am I, am I looking at a wall across from me? And then you feel if your body pitches forward a little bit or pitches backward, and then you know that's a yes. And then you ask yourself something you know is a no answer. So my favorite one is always, am I a rhinoceros?
And then you notice just to verify that, oh my, you know, it's the opposite, you know. So I know what my firm no is and I know what my firm yes is. By the way, that changes every day. So you always have to test it.
There's a term for that, but my brain is in the spiritual woo woo at the moment. I can't think of what it is. But anyway. But you start playing with that. Things that you never would have done before.
And then as you start playing with that, you start to trust your Intuition more so that plus the divination of the Oracle cards or the tarot cards, people start using pendulums, runes, even throwing bones, you know, like they do down south, reading tea leaves. This is all a great introduction to start trusting your intuition more. I think you're going to naturally do it on the path, but it's. It's fun to play with the tools and find the tools you like the best.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Yep.
There's a lot of. There's so many tools for us to use. And when we get our intuition going, like, we just. You're going to find things that you're going to connect with.
You're going to find things that you're not going to connect as well to it. But it's good to.
I'm the type of person that wants to try out different things because I always look at life as. I just constantly want to learn. I want to experience new things. So with the intuition, when the intuition fully comes on, it's just. There's so much curiosity. So you're going to seek into things that you want to learn about?
[00:24:38] Speaker A: Yes. And it's kind of insatiable at the beginning. So that's actually another perk. It's so fun at the beginning when he's like, I want to taste this and I want to taste that, and I want to read more books about this and I want to experience this. I mean, it's actually quite profound. At the beginning of the journey. I remember it's. It's almost.
It's just so joyous to break out of the conditioning and learn more about other things.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:07] Speaker A: So.
And then what's really beautiful about that we're talking about, you know, why you want to keep going is you might find something you end up specializing in.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: Like I did with tarot. So it's. It's. It's.
I'm still feeling, you know, when I tap into how I felt when I was first starting out, that joy of discovery is just delicious. It's absolutely delicious.
And then part of that discovery is like what you talked about eventually discover. It's like, oh, what used to excite me. Okay. I think. I think I'm ready for the next step. So, you know, you let go of certain teachers and gurus and things like that, and that's just fine.
[00:25:44] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: Okay. Another perk is that you learn how to regulate your nervous system a lot better.
Number one, you're calmer to begin with. Yep. Like. Like my. I'm a good example. I wasn't focusing as much on the what ifs? I started focusing on the meditation and the now and that, you know, helps the body.
And as you begin to trust yourself more and more, that would apply to. What do you have to say about that?
[00:26:12] Speaker B: I would have to say that I had no clue what regulated nervous system was. In fact, when you're workaholic. Yes. And when you're running so crazy with things, and then you're constantly, like, giving your body caffeine to just go, go.
[00:26:29] Speaker A: Go, and then doing favors for people on top of it.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: So it's just so crazy that taking that time to pause. At first it was kind of uncomfortable because it's like, well, what do I do now? And it's like that sitting still, that part of just bringing in that peace and prioritizing that peace and prioritizing yourself because of it was very hard for me at first because even though it is a benefit, like, to not to relax, to react less and just respond more, but you still. It's like you're breaking out of the programming that was going on for so long that it feels so foreign at first.
[00:27:12] Speaker A: It still feels a little foreign to me because sometimes I catch myself being reactive. But the good news is you become less and less that way. You become more observant and more discerning. It's like, do I want to. I can observe it, but do I want to invest emotion in this?
[00:27:28] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: You actually get to that point where you can do that better and better and better.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: And even when. Because we all do when we have bad days of, oh, I'm not feeling that well. I feel like this kind of emotion surfacing up. You're able to go back and balance that emotion a lot more. So you're able to regulate your emotions.
[00:27:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And, you know, when we think about moving forward, like, you were just on such a torpedo ride on your spiritual journey. He was definitely in that voracious. I want to find out more. I want to do more. But one of the lessons you got that you actually learned is a benefit and a perk is to trust when it's time to rest. Didn't you?
[00:28:13] Speaker B: Yep.
And now it's so bizarre to even think of going back into those times where I had no clue what rest was or I felt guilty about resting.
That's a big one, too. Especially when you're go, go, go.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: But now you've learned to trust when you're getting the input if your body's tired or. Or even if your mind feels like it's overworked. You know, you get. I Guess you get more in touch with cycles instead of what we're told our schedules are supposed to be.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I remember.
Well, I started incorporating a nap a day and that Nap was usually 30 minutes. And I would first time it and I would always set an alarm just to not go over whatever.
And now I just sleep and I allow my body to wake me up when it's time because then I know that I'm covered. The last two days because it's been just so crazy energetically it has been like an hour and a half. But I also had that time to take a nap too. So it's just interesting how your body changes and wants more rest depending on what you're going through too. And part of us evolving and into learning how we are now is just trusting that part.
[00:29:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And even if you know you are, and I know some flavors, especially parents, they can't always take an hour and a half nap. But even to give yourself that little pause to just take a breath, you know, take those slow breaths, you know, that can help throughout the day and you learn to be more, more in tune to that.
[00:29:46] Speaker B: Could you imagine what this world would be with if adults could regular their emotions all the time?
[00:29:52] Speaker A: It would be fantastic, wouldn't it?
But then there'd be no control system to govern us.
[00:30:00] Speaker B: That's true. Well, but we do want to give it. I mean, no, I'm not.
[00:30:04] Speaker A: I don't want the control system to govern us. Let me make that clear. We should be autonomous and should be able to trust cycles and should be able to work together. I know we can. I know humanity is capable of it. We just have structures in place that make it ever so difficult to do that.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: I look at it as a school and it has many grades and each grade there's not a wrong or a right grade because you're just going through that.
But I feel like there's.
It's serving a purpose. Ultimately it's really serving a purpose. Even though at times we feel like what is going on? Why are people paying attention to that? That's a distraction. But at the same time, we were once distracted too.
[00:30:47] Speaker A: Oh yeah, there you go. You just hit on another reason to keep going on the spiritual path.
Empathy.
[00:30:54] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:30:54] Speaker A: You learn to see other people from their perspective.
And even if it's somebody who's not a great frequency match for you because you understand their perspective, you're more understanding and forgiving of them and go, okay, I see where they're coming from.
So you know, not to, you know, battle with Them, you know, exactly. You know, like, okay, I understand where you're coming from. I'm not going to invest, you know, time and effort to try to convert you. But I see. I see where. I see where the root comes from. So you become very perceptive that way.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: It's almost like a fire. You see a fire, what do you do? You throw. Throw wood in it or you tame it down. You bring it down with some water.
[00:31:37] Speaker A: Yes. So you. So you become more understanding and empathic and you become more discerning.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a win, win there.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:31:46] Speaker A: Okay, so another one of the best reasons to keep going on the spiritual path is building new relationships, isn't it?
[00:31:55] Speaker B: Oh, yes.
[00:31:57] Speaker A: Because I know when we start at the beginning, we talked about how you. Certain people who were still wearing the masks and wanted to see you wearing the same masks kind of fall away from your life. And. And then there's a point where you go, I'm so alone. Nobody's like me. Guess what? People they are. There are people who are like you out there. I've met them.
I'm getting goosebumps when I say that. You just have to just stay.
Stay steady and stay being you.
And eventually, somehow you interact with them. I don't know. I mean, it helps, I guess, to get yourself out there, but, you know, you might bump into somebody who has similar ideas to share with you. I mean, yeah, you could go to a spiritual meeting, a community meeting, and hopefully find people like that. But I love my story of my friend Bruce, who, by the way, is mixing the sound for our podcast now and improving it incredibly.
Mixed by Bruce. If you get. If any of you create music or podcasts, he can help you out.
Anyway, when I first met Bruce, we were in the same training class for when we were both training to be smoking cessation coaches. And it's months and months and months of training, and they would every week partner you up with a new partner in the class. And I never got partnered with Bruce ever, which was weird, I mean, because I got repeated with other people.
So I never really bonded with Bruce. And then I tell people about this in the first episode we ever had. One day I was crossing the street in downtown Seattle. I was on a coffee break, and I went outdoors, and I decided to go to a coffee shop I don't normally go to, the one that's just a little further away, you know, and I'm crossing the street and it's lunchtime, and all these people are walking and they're walking past Something on the. On this street. And I realized it was a passport.
And I said to myself, if that was my passport, I would want someone responsible to pick that up. I go, I'm responsible.
So I picked it up, and I walked to the other side of the street, and I'm standing there looking at the passport, going, I don't know what to do with this next. This is how I. Bruce is going to come into the story in a minute. This is how I know. It was all divine timing, because I was. All of a sudden, this man walked up to me, and he was probably the most beautiful man I've ever seen in my life. I mean, just the feel of his energy.
An Asian man. I mean, he felt like an angel. He did. He did. And he said to me, is that a passport you found? And I said, yes.
And the Asian man said, well, I found this. I think. I think this will help. And it was a paper driver's license, temporary driver's license. So now I had a passport, but the paper driver's license matched, and it had the person's address on it.
[00:35:02] Speaker B: Oh, that's awesome.
[00:35:04] Speaker A: So I was like, thank you. And I was going to say something else, but he just walked away, and I just felt this glow. I knew something was, what this is. Something magical that just happened. So I was like, yes, I'll send this to the person.
And I walk into this coffee shop I don't normally go to, and there's Bruce, this guy that I really never really got to know very well in training.
And he's sitting there waiting, you know, drinking coffee. And I said, can I sit down and talk to you about what just happened to me?
And I had no idea. But Bruce is very spiritual, and so he thought that was fascinating. I thought we built a beautiful friendship because of this passport.
So you never know where these people are going to be. Was a guy from work I didn't really know very well.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: And then.
So it could. It could be someone you talk to casually at a restaurant or a gas station, where you go, oh, hey, I feel like some kind of bond with you, you know, do you mind if I put you on Facebook or something like that? You know, so it's not always that you. It's. You'd think it'd be at spiritual communities, but it could be anywhere, guys. And that's a story to show you it can be.
[00:36:12] Speaker B: But let me tell you this other story. This brought up a good story for me, and it's a very.
It has to do with, too. With finding Connections and stuff like that and finding that tribe. So back when I was in high school, I mean, if we all went back to high school, it was like a hot mess central because I can say for myself, I was a hot mess central.
And there's so much chaos going on. There's like, you're trying to prove something and you're not even that. It's a mask you're wearing. You're trying to please others and stuff. And I just could not get along with this girl for the life of me. I just could not. Like, we just butt heads when we had conversations. It would always be like, if. It would feel weird and stuff.
So fast forward this.
We finished high school. We fast forward through time and stuff. And then all of a sudden, one of my clients, which happens to. To be someone that I went to high school with, she's like, you know, I think you and this person would get along really well because half of the stuff you talk about, this person talks about. And I was like, who are you talking about? And she mentions that girl. I was like, oh, no, we did not get along in high school. There's no way we could gonna get along with now.
And out of the blues, guys, I kid you not. She starts coming into my breath work class, and we just clicked because it was no longer. We didn't have those masks we brought.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: This is a good example of what we talked about at the beginning. You were thinking she was still the same person.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: Exactly. But yet she just outgrew. Like, she just grow. Grew to know herself. She's definitely, like, super. Just kind, nice. And we get along great now and we can talk about anything and we totally understand each other and stuff. But it's so weird that sometimes, even with the people that you once met, if they come back in your life, sometimes it's for a reason.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. They do.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:38:05] Speaker A: Either it's a mirror to remind you why they are not in your life or. Or it's an example of what you just said. It's like, oh, I can't. I can't pigeonhole people. She grew. I grew. Okay, cool.
Yeah.
So I'm just putting it out there. Do not give up hope that you're going to find the right tribe because we found our tribe. I lived in Seattle for a long time. I did not find my tribe in Seattle. I found really good people in Seattle. Okay. I'm like, let me rephrase that. I found a couple tribe people, but when I moved up here, I found a very big tribe. And you're one of them. And it's just circles that kept overlapping.
And I feel like I have more friends up here now. I live in.
I move two counties up north. I feel like I've got more of a feeling of people who understand me and accept me here than I ever had, which is beautiful.
So they do exist. It's just that you. Like I said, you may find them.
[00:39:04] Speaker B: In an unexpected place, but that's exactly what you just brought up a good point. Sometimes they're like, you end up moving, and you don't even think you're gonna run into people. And then you do run into people. Sometimes it can be as something as simple as you're working on someone in your workplace, and they're like, oh, I know. It's this person. And they're like this and this and this. And you get to know them, and you're like, whoa.
Like, that was unexpected.
[00:39:27] Speaker A: You get like a hookup. A spiritual hookup.
[00:39:29] Speaker B: A spiritual hookup in the right way?
[00:39:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
So another thing that's a perk is that you start to notice red flags sooner, which means you learn to discern better. Right. So you start to. When you get more on the spiritual path, you start to trust the subtle energies more. So you get those hinky feelings. You start to trust them, you know, like hair on the back of your neck or just even the feeling like something feels a little off here.
You become a lot better at noticing the energy like that.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
And you start recognizing the places that you don't fit in anymore, but in a way of, like, okay, this is like, this was a part of me, but now it's time to move forward because I no longer fit here.
Not that that's bad either. It's just that you're outgrown.
[00:40:25] Speaker A: Yeah. You get sensitive to environments. You get sensitive to people.
Don't be surprised if you meet somebody who. A friend introduce you to a party, and you get that instant like, oh, okay, all right, nice to meet you. And then you try not to talk to them for the rest of the evening just because, you know, you just feel it. It's just like, no, this isn't someone. That's going to be a good, good investment of time for me. And the opposite can happen, too.
But other red lights would be things like. Some people become hypersensitive to, you know, like the solar flares, and they sense when an earthquake's coming, even. And so they start to trust themselves for things like that.
And you just become a better barometer of Your own feelings and sensations and.
[00:41:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: Guidance. So it'll tell you if you want to stay somewhere, if you want to leave.
[00:41:20] Speaker B: Yep.
But I love that. I love just going through those parts of that growth. And even with people that you know or they're currently in your circle, you're going to realize that they're. All of a sudden, there's conversations. You don't want to partake anymore because they're not helping with growth. And not only that, but you don't. You're no longer lying to have those conversations. Example, for me, I have big issues when people start, like, talking, especially talking negative about someone. I just don't belong there. I don't like. I just don't see myself wasting energy and talking bad about somebody else.
[00:41:59] Speaker A: Right, right. And that's part of the normal growth pattern. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. So anyway, your intuition's going to improve in a lot of ways.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: Oh, yes.
[00:42:11] Speaker A: And they'll be unique to you, too. Like, there's another thing, I think when you're new to the spiritual path, you assume that you need to be highly clairvoyant. I think that's the one thing people always assume based on TV shows and movies.
But you're going to have your own top, Claire. And for me, I'm clairsentient. I'm a feeler, you know, that's why I was talking about those hinky feelings I get. Right. The red. The red flags are those hinky feelings.
So that's fine, too. If you're not highly clairvoyant. There's clairaudience, there's clairsentience, there's Claire, there's all kinds of Claire. So anyway, we did an episode on that. So that's another thing that's kind of fun.
On the spiritual path, it's like, what is my top Claire? What's coming most easily to me? And then the other ones, they call them psychic skills for a reason, people. You can work on developing them.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:01] Speaker A: So that's. That's one of the wins on being on the spiritual path, right?
[00:43:04] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:43:06] Speaker A: Okay.
And another thing that happens on the spiritual path is that you do find more meaning in ordinary things. And that's because you learn to realize the body is a spiritual. Is spiritual.
[00:43:22] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: And that's when.
That's been a hard lesson for me. I've never been very grounded, but I'm really learning that all of these shifts that go on, you need. Embodiment is so important on the spiritual path. And you've been talking about that in the Last couple months, too.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: Yeah. One of the things is I always had issues with being present because it seems like my mind was everywhere except for the present. And like you said, when you're not really in the present, you're probably not very grounded it either. So those two kind of come hand in hand. But.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: I.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: It's so interesting how.
Every little thing that is like, seems so small before.
Like, it's so much deeper now because you find a deeper connection to it. Like, for me, it's definitely nature. Like, being out in nature.
This last two days, I was so overwhelmed with energy, and I'm like, I just want to nap, and I just want to nap. And I'm here. I was driving to work yesterday. When I'm driving to work, I start looking at nature and I'm like, I just. I'm like, I miss being out in nature. And obviously we're winter time, so just to clarify, we don't have the best weather right now. However, as I turn, all of a sudden the sun comes out. Like, it's really bright, and I'm like, I would love some energy from the sun right now. And I just start feeling it because I'm opening up and I'm seeing it and I'm literally feeling it, and I'm just like, oh, this feels great. So it's like those meaningful times and sometimes they can happen, so they can technically be so small and nobody could even see them, where no one could even connect with them. But yet you start developing those deeper connections with things. They're like you thought before they were just so small, you didn't even notice.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know, my tarot teacher that I always talk about, Eli, he remembers lives when he was a Buddhist monk. And one of the trainings is to be fully involved in what you're doing at any moment.
So that's why you want to. Like, even doing the dishes can be what we're talking about here, where the suds feel sacred. The feeling of the skin doing that the water feels good. Watching the dishes get cleaned is amazing.
So that's the kind of training they received. And you're going to have times where you just fall into that natural pattern.
You know, maybe not most of the time, but every once in a while you go, isn't this amazing what I'm doing right now? And it could be the most mundane thing to somebody else.
You know, I always tell people, I do the gratitude in the morning. And one of the things I'm so grateful for, our wrists.
These wrists are amazing. The way they move. You know, I'm fascinated by my wrists. I mean, those are the little things we're talking about right now.
And see how excited I'm getting just talking about that. So there's joy in the mundane. Mundane. And that's when you know you're really doing a good job balancing spirit to earth, earth to spirit, which is the balance you were talking about earlier.
[00:46:36] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and even that connects you so much with. Whenever you have gratitude for things. There's just that it's like that little thing that means so much because it puts you in this whole new way of seeing life, of feeling life and of acceptance, accepting things, too.
Because gratitude is the.
Literally the key to opening up new experiences, too.
[00:47:01] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. And you do. And you learned.
I don't think, you know, either of us were very, very grateful at the beginning of our paths.
[00:47:09] Speaker B: No, we actually. I can honestly say for myself, I took everything for granted. In fact, I was so focused on everything, I guess, outside of me. More of a materialistic way. Not in a full materialistic of, oh, I need to have expensive things, but more like my focus was outside. Like, that was my focus of, oh, this is going to make me happy. Goal to find out that maybe it made me happy for a few minutes, days, and then I was done.
But that's part of growth, too. Like realizing what's important in your life, like, now. I can definitely say that, like, waking up in the morning, I feel grateful for being able to wake up because there's so many people that don't wake up being able to stand on my two feet, the two feet that support me, the two feet that no matter how hard life comes or whatever I'm being tested with, they will always support me.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And look at where those feet have taken you all around the world, literally. Because he's traveled a lot.
[00:48:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:13] Speaker A: So just think of all the. How wonderful that the feet have served you.
[00:48:17] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:48:18] Speaker A: Absolutely. So that's what we're talking about. We get more appreciative of the mundane.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:48:23] Speaker A: And you at the beginning of the spiritual journey, when you're thinking, supposed to be that blonde guy in Malibu, you would never imagine that, you know, but it's one of the perks, guys.
[00:48:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:34] Speaker A: Okay. And then the number one perk. This is the top perk. I think you become more of yourself.
Not one that feels like it needs to keep improving, but more of the authentic you.
So I don't know that I can explain that to people who haven't been through that experience yet when you really Start to feel authentic. Like you said, take the masks off. Stop feeling shame for who you used to. Used to be.
Do your shadow work. Be more accepting of yourself, but and others as well.
It feels so good. And I'm not fully authentic yet, but I'm so much more authentic than I used to be because I did all that posturing, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna armor up before you hurt me.
And it just. It's just so liberating, you know, to.
And yeah, you know, sometimes you can't feel authentic in every situation, but I think most of us appreciate a really good, you know, sincere conversation with someone even if they're not feeling good. You know, it's so much better to be authentic, and it's just so liberating.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: I think you just nailed all the head, that nail on the head, because authenticity is about feeling.
About feeling your true essence of who you are.
And no one can really tell you, like, how. How authentic you're being, except for you can feel it about yourself. So the more you open up, the more you feel like you don't have to hide anymore, the more you feel like you don't have to pretend to be anything. You can just be yourself.
And that's where it's so empowering to. To be with tribe or to be with people that support you because, you know, they truly care for you for who you are, and they love you and respect you for it. It's no longer about putting any kind of front that you're going to be trying to tell. Convince anyone of who you are.
You are finally going in and accepting yourself for who you are and shining that inner light and projecting who you are to the world.
And so that itself is so. And one of the things that's really powerful about being authentic is that authenticity has. It's. It's more powerful than love even. They found out.
[00:51:01] Speaker A: Yes. It's like the highest vibration you can possibly be.
[00:51:05] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:51:05] Speaker A: Well, that makes sense if you're not. I mean, how can you have a true love relationship if you aren't being authentic?
[00:51:12] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:51:14] Speaker A: Right.
[00:51:14] Speaker B: Or that, like, how can you even love anything if you're not truly fully focusing on loving yourself and projecting that out?
[00:51:21] Speaker A: So true. So true.
And we're in a system that just controls us from a young age through shame. So it takes a long time to get to loving yourself, but liking yourself is a great first step.
[00:51:38] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: And one of the things that you had to learn on the spiritual path is that learning to accept yourself is different than perfection because you learned that lesson, and he's told. Told the stories before. But what would you like to tell people about that?
When you first started the spiritual journey, you thought you had to be perfect.
[00:52:02] Speaker B: Yep. So growing up, I was shown this ideal that you always have to be perfect to do things. But the truth is there's no such thing, because your ideal of perfect isn't anybody else. Else's ideal of perfect. And the main thing that we forget is that being balanced is the key, because balance is actually mastery, which is something that Lola kind of, like, worked me with and really made sense. But for me, I realize that perfection didn't exist because perfection deep inside, trying to be perfect is trying to please somebody else or put a front that it's not really truly who you are.
And once you realize that, the word itself doesn't really exist because everybody's version is so different from it. But also that being balanced is being more like. Think of even the two words, balance and perfection, they seem so off, so different. Because with one, it's like an expectation, a forcing thing. It must be this way in order to be perfect. And with the balance is allowing the flow, like not being too much on one side or the other, just allowing everything to just come in naturally. So I definitely have learned that to remove perfectionism out of my vocabulary first.
And I learned that I am happy with balance and that I don't need to.
I don't feel like I'm. I need to do anything for, like, when I. You have balance in your life, you don't need to overdo things because then it balances you. So in a way, I found my peace there.
[00:53:53] Speaker A: There's a lot of pressure to try to be perfect.
But I think one of the things that's most important about balance is knowing that inevitably, at some point, you're gonna get out of balance.
[00:54:06] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:54:06] Speaker A: And that takes a lot of the pressure off. And you go, okay, if I wobble, I'll correct. It's so liberating again. So that is one of the things that I was really grateful when you took tarot classes from me when you. When that you had that aha moment about balance.
Balance being mastery. It is. And so, yeah, because, you know, the only constant is change.
So inevitably, we're going to tip over at some point, Right? Exactly. So it's all part of the process and going back to, like, we talked about cycles and seasons. So.
Okay, so we're running a little bit toward the end of our episode. So let me just ask you, and I'll Think about this, too. Sorry. I'm going to put you on the spot for a second. If you could say one thing that was the biggest gift on your spiritual journey, what do you think it would be?
[00:55:06] Speaker B: I think the biggest gift is I learned how to forgive myself for the things that I never truly was or the things that were forced to me that were never really me.
I learned to let go so that I didn't feel like I had all this weight pulling me down.
I learned to forgive because I realized that nobody else supposed to cater to me and that everybody's on their own journey. So I learned to forgive those that I ever felt like they wronged me or they did something to me.
And then the most powerful thing is I was able to let go and see life in a new way. As far as seeing as an experience and seen as everything is teaching me something. Instead of having the expectations of things have to be done, be my way.
[00:55:59] Speaker A: That's good.
And there's so many gifts, but what's coming to mind for me the most is I found a tool that helped me with my personal skill, self development, so I could look at my own.
I could have a mirror reflect to me so that once I was aware of what's in that mirror, I could accept it or make changes. And that's empowering. And that for me was tarot.
So I've always use it all the time to help me see where I am on the path and where am I likely to be heading and is there a potential wobble? How. How can I prepare myself for change, things like that.
So that's we talked about at the beginning of your spiritual path. You're going to be intrigued by things like tools that you've never used before, you know, pendulums, things like that. If you find something that you love and works for, you keep using it and it will become something that you learn to use reliably.
So I think that was my biggest gift. And then I can use that to help others. Yep. Which has been great.
Okay. Oh, wow. Only about a minute left technically in our episode. So we covered a lot of the reasons why you should just keep going.
Yes. There'll be times where you go, why?
Why did. Did I make the first step in this direction?
99 of the time, you'll be like, yeah, I did the right thing.
[00:57:31] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:57:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
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