OPENING THE PATH BY LETTING GO

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness. Our goal is to help navigate the choppy waters you're likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experience with you each week. Join us as we spill the tea on what it's like to wake up to your authentic self. My name is Emeril, and I'm here with. [00:00:30] Speaker B: I'm Lola Singer. [00:00:33] Speaker A: In today's episode is called Opening the Path by Letting Go. [00:00:40] Speaker B: And that is something that happens over and over and over on the spiritual journey. And just as a little reminder that this podcast was started so we could help people who were new to spirituality, let them know what we discovered along our way in order to hopefully make it a little easier for you. And fortunately, some people who've been on the journey a long time have been enjoying the podcast as well. So maybe it's a little reminder of how far they've come because there are so many times we do end up letting go so that we can keep moving on the path. And would you like to elaborate on that? [00:01:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, starting out, before we even start on our spiritual path, look at how many times we'd shifted so much. Like, we're not the same people we were when we were younger. Like, think of yourself as your teenage self and think of yourself as the adult now. Like, change is inevitable. Inevitable because that's what life is. It's constant change. However, when we get with our spiritual journey, it almost allows us to shed away the falsehood of who we were, never were. Meaning, like the mask we were, the social programs that were put to us, that we thought that this is the way society works and this is the way we have to function in society. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Yeah, we thought we'd get the good job, we'll get the good place to live, we'll live happily ever after with this spouse and all of the things that were projected onto us. [00:02:20] Speaker A: And also, like, I just want to bring this up too, when we say that, we don't mean, like, if you do have the spouse and stuff. We're not trying to say, like, that's the wrong thing to do. Because all we're saying is that if you look at that, is that being your sense of, in order for me to be accomplished in life, this is what I need. Anytime we have unbalanced emotions about anything, that it's not aligned with you. All we're trying to say is that if you see as, like, this is the only way I'll be accepted. This is my only path. In order to fit in, that's when it becomes disturbed, wouldn't you say? [00:03:00] Speaker B: Yes, yes. Yeah. And there are certain people for whom that is working for them beautifully. But the caution, though, is to. When you're looking at externals to validate yourself, that's a trap. [00:03:15] Speaker A: Exactly. And ultimately it's really how you feel about it. So if you are with a husband, if you are with your home, if you are balanced, if you are happy, that's a good sign. Great for you, you're moving forward. If you find it, for example, at least for me, I can say that when me and my husband own a home, it was really crazy because at first I'm like, oh, I did it. I finally got the home. And it turns out that was the dream that my dad had for me. That wasn't my own dream. [00:03:50] Speaker B: Well, I think it's what most parents dreams are for their children because they've been programmed the same way we have. And I think once again we want to go back to. As long as you're balanced and that's working for you. Great. There are very few people who are balanced. [00:04:05] Speaker A: That's true too. [00:04:08] Speaker B: And we have to on the spiritual path. That's our goal. We try to stay as balanced as possible, but life always throws us some curve balls. So we get out of balance easily and then we have to rebalance. I guess that's part of what kind of leads to what we're talking about, you know, letting go. But some people are very balanced and harmonious and they love themselves. They feel a good. They have a good inner dialogue with themselves and then their externals match that. That's great. That's ideal. [00:04:39] Speaker A: Actually, you know what I found too, that's really interesting. And this is something that's been brought up so as we go through our journey, because we've been. We've been here before, obviously we had like reincarnations and stuff. I find that there is a connection. And this is what. At least what I. How I feel about it when I ask. Spirit is people that have started already working on themselves in past lifetimes, when they come into certain lifetimes, it doesn't matter who, which role they are. Like, meaning if they're married or whatever, because they are more balanced, they're a little more calmer. So that's a lot of things to like depending on how much work you've done in other lifetimes. Every time you move into another lifetime, what you learn, it's almost like it's that wealth that you're gaining, like wealth of knowledge. So when you are more balanced, it means that you have done some work previously. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah, but the trick is we don't remember. That's true too, because we come in with our minds wiped most of the time. Some people do remember their past lives, but most of us don't. And so it's the remembering that connects you to realizing that, oh, I have done this in other lives. [00:05:48] Speaker A: Yes. [00:05:49] Speaker B: That's why I can stay calm in this situation. [00:05:51] Speaker A: Well, not only that, but think about the times going the opposite way. Like when we're triggered by something, it's because, like, it's like something we haven't worked on. So on that thing, it's more like really showing us. So wouldn't it be the same like if we have worked on it, we're not going to be really triggered or we're not. Or we're going to be more like, more emotionally balanced about what life is throwing at us. But when we are getting triggered, it's because it's ultimately really aligning us to a lesson that's coming up for us to learn. Wouldn't you say that in a way? [00:06:25] Speaker B: Well, you would say that. I'm not sure I would. But when we're triggered, it's because we don't have the coping skills for something. So I think what you're intimating is some people in past lives have worked on balance, getting. Getting themselves back in balance more easily, so they've developed coping skills. Yeah, but we come in with this blank slate and it's hard to remember our coping skills. Eventually we do, over time, we find what works best for us. I naturally, even as a child, when I was upset, would go to music and art, so but other people, they naturally go to. I'm gonna take a brisk walk and exercise, you know, so I think there might be a soul level remembrance that could be for that. [00:07:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I just feel like I'm more of a questionable type personality, meaning everything I question. And that's good too because it helps you evolve because you want to know certain answers and we can't know everything. But we just get like. Because sometimes I met people that I'm like, wow, you're just so calm. It's like you see through the veil. You see through the programs like you keep yourself. And the only thing I could probably ask for, and I've asked spirit, is why does this person, why is this person not so affected by just general things and stuff in the answer I've gotten is like they already went through those lessons. [00:07:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I could kind of see that. Like. Like when you were talking, I was remembering someone from a jobby job I had, and he. He would always say, you've got to choose your battles. Because I was. I would get upset about something. He goes, you gotta choose your battles. And I'm sure he learned that in other lives. Yeah, he was probably in his share of confrontations that didn't work, maybe didn't work in his favor in past lives. So. Yeah. Anyway, that's kind of tangential to what we were planning to talk about, but what we wanted to talk about is that when you're on the spiritual path, regardless of whether you remember your coping skills or not, that you. Well, it does make sense because we talked about. Challenges always come up. Why do these challenges come up? Because you're a master video game player. That's why people. If you weren't a master, metaphorically video game player, you would not be on Earth. [00:08:53] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Because Earth is the school with a lot of the life lessons that are the most challenging. And I bet people are nodding their head in the audience right now because of polarity number one. [00:09:06] Speaker A: But it's. It's like you said, it's a school, so it's serving a purpose than it is for us to learn our lessons. I mean, can't get more dense than 3D, that's for sure. [00:09:15] Speaker B: Yes. And since you're master players, you came in and said, do not give me the beginner's level. I'm going to get bored. I've been on this planet and that planet and that star system and this dimension, and I learned things on all those dimensions. Just don't make it boring here. I want a challenge. So you came in as master players, and that's why you get the challenges. [00:09:42] Speaker A: I always question, I'm like, is there such thing as a spiritual bar? And we sober when we sign up on our contracts. But then I realized that because we in the spiritual world, there's not really. We don't have. [00:09:54] Speaker B: We don't have the strong emotions. [00:09:56] Speaker A: We don't have the strong emotions. So we're like, what? [00:09:58] Speaker B: Well, it's like being an armchair quarterback. You know, these people, like, you know, he should have done this, this and this. When they're watching the TV and like, oh, yeah, you go down on that field and try it with all those big hunky guys. You know, you give that plan A. So. But we are armchair quarterbacks at the soul level when we're deciding to incarnate and figuring out where can I best learn this lesson that I want to learn this time around in this life. So what country do you want to be born in? What kind of parents, you know, what zodiac sign? So we're setting ourselves up. So I guess the whole point I'm bringing up now is inevitably, there will be challenges, and you will, because the universe is a spiraling energy. We're spiraling too. So spiral never stops. Nope, never. [00:10:52] Speaker A: And it's all about expansion, too. [00:10:54] Speaker B: Yep. So as we're expanding, part of expansion so that we can move forward is letting go of what isn't working for us anymore. It could be mental. It could be concepts and ideas. It could be kind of emotions we're holding on to, like anger or revenge. Right? [00:11:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:14] Speaker B: It could be something physical, like. Like you with the house. This house is not working for me. It's dragging me down. So there's a lot. There's a lot there. [00:11:29] Speaker A: So it brings us to our next thing about part of opening the path by letting go is there's a time where we get to surrender things. And that face is really important because it's just letting go of that attachment and letting go of that. Trying to not control an outcome is where surrendering is great at. And I. I've been inspired every single day to write something, and today's inspiration was about surrendering. And. Did you want to read or do you want me to read? [00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah. So Amaral's very eloquent, and he has been writing some very poignant things on Facebook. And today he wrote about surrender, which led us to this topic, and I'm just going to read it verbatim. Embracing surrender, letting go of expectations and attachments, we allow the universe to guide our lives. By trusting in its plan, we create space for a deeper sense of faith and trust, knowing we're supported every step of the way. As we surrender, we acknowledge our limitations and invite something greater to take the lead. This act of trust opens us up to receiving the best possible outcome, even if it doesn't immediately serve seem that way. With gratitude, we welcome the universe's guidance, trusting that we are always being led toward our highest good. Thank you, universe, for the gift of surrender. I am truly blessed and always guided. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Yep. So how I was inspired for that is I always feel that when we tune into ourselves, when we go within, sometimes we find it that. So let's say we're working towards a goal, right? And then we do everything possible that we can. Like, we set the action, we set the intention, and then we have to, like, let it go. And also we need to reach a time where we say, okay, I'm surrendering this now because I've done everything I can. And it's not a part of giving up at all. In fact, it's a part of you allowing the next step to come in. Because for so long I was so action based that it's almost like I was trying to set something up. Like, oh, I want to bring. I want to experience this in my life. But then it's almost like I wanted to all of a sudden be the creator of that. And you can't do that. You have to surrender it so that, that way, like, you do your part and then you allow the universe, Source, God, whatever you want to call it, to jump in and finish the last, to deliver it. And that is part of that whole surrendering. It's that trust. It's the trust and faith that you are being listened. The trust and the faith that you are certain that, yes, this is coming your way. And it's so interesting because I find that some people really have issues with surrendering. And I was one of those people once upon a time. And I guess that's why also it came, because I think that when we start learning from what we go through, we're better able to help others and explain to others what truly it means rather than them seeing it as a defeat. [00:14:59] Speaker B: Yeah, but I understand where this resistance comes from because it's our ego trying to protect us. You know, if we, if you let go, you know, there's potential danger. You know, according to the ego. The ego wants everything in a nice little box and every day to be the same way. But that's not expansion and growth. [00:15:20] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:15:21] Speaker B: And then speaking of ego, this is definitely my ego. One of the hardest things I had on the spiritual path was even learning to accept the word surrender. Because I came in with a lot of warrior energy and it's like I was ready to fight that patriarchy. You know, I've got that warrior spirit. And the last word a warrior wants to hear is surrender. [00:15:51] Speaker A: Surrender, yes. [00:15:53] Speaker B: But so you have to take that connotation away from it. It's not about losing exactly. It's about. It's surrendering. Like when you're in a river and the current, it's just so lovely and you go with the flow. [00:16:07] Speaker A: Flow, yep. [00:16:08] Speaker B: That's what surrender really means. [00:16:11] Speaker A: Or get this though, sometimes it's surrendering to things that you're so used to that makes your ground so shaky afterwards. An example I had A client the other day and he told me I did something I never thought I could do. And I said, oh, what is it? And he said, I went in on Sunday and I gave my two weeks notice and I gave my two weeks notice because I can no longer be in that toxic environment because it's not doing anything good for me. And I had had enough. And there was that moment where I just said, here's my two week notice and it's done. I have no idea. Like, I have a few interviews lined up, but I have no idea where I'm going. But I trust that anywhere I go to, it's gonna be better than the environment I've been in. I was so proud because I know what that feels like. I know that's the most surrendering thing. Like the most. The weakest. It's like, it's weird because it almost seems as if would be your most shaky moment, but really it's liberating. It's liberating because nobody deserves to get abused. That's the other thing too. It's like you're the one that needs to set the boundaries of what you allow your workplace. Whatever relationship you have out in this world, you're the one that needs to set these standards of what you're going to tolerate and what you're not going to tolerate. I was so proud of him. I said, I know it's shaky and everything will be good and I'm so proud of you. Because that's something that so many people refuse to do in. Am I saying everybody should quit their jobs? No, What I'm saying is you get to the point where you just have had enough, where you know that you giving into something, it's really just bringing down your soul and you're no longer happy at all, then you're glad to like, get rid of it. Because you know that. And that's the other part that I was like telling him is now we got to work on where you're at emotionally. Because if you start freaking out and you start like feeding into anxiety and fear, then your next thing may not be that great. But if you focus on just letting go. And I even, I even sent a copy of Breathwork because it's great for releasing anxiety and releasing stress so that he could align with thinking positive so that he can bring positive things to come his way. And you guys, it's never, it. It will never be easy. Let's just say that one flat out, because when we're challenging ourselves to fully, like, surrender something that's no longer aligned with me. A lot in line with us. Sorry. It's never going to be easy, but it's so worth it. There's so many times where I'm going to share with you guys a little story that was really intense for me, but it was really positive, too. So my first job as an instructor, meaning, like, teaching cosmetology, I was so proud of myself because I'm like, I did such a dedication. Like, what people didn't see behind doors was I was working full time and I was also taking a training to become an instructor. So that was a lot of time that I was giving out. Right? Probably, like, would I do it now? I don't know. But either way, I got done. I get my first job, I'm super proud, and I go work for a place that's very unstructured. Meaning there was a lot of different favoritisms that played out. Like, certain students have more favoritism than others. And I didn't know. I came into the mindset of I have to be equal to everyone. And all of a sudden, this student comes to me, like, with no books, nothing prepared, and I'm like, I'm sorry, but if you don't have. If you're not prepared, you have to go home. Like, why would you be here without any of that? Like, you can't even. And I get in trouble because I wasn't aware that this student, I guess, had just had like, their grandpa pass like the week before. However, what's weird is that he never demonstrated anything like that with any other instructor, but all of a sudden decided to do it with me. And I wasn't even. I didn't even know the background. But nonetheless, like, you have to follow certain guidelines. Then I was instructed, to make the story short, I ended up being let go. So I've only been there for a year. And when I got let go, it crushed me because I'm like, I'm unworthy. I'm not good enough as a teacher and everything. So what's really interesting, before they let me go, on the day they let me go, I had an interview in another place. But the reason why I had an interview is because I was moving to Bellingham and I was going to get interviewed for in Bellingham for another instructor position. I just didn't know it was going to be on the same day they were going to let me go. So I had from Everett. I drove all the way down and I cried my whole way. I stopped at the rest stop after Alger. I Clear myself up, reapplied my makeup, went to a job interview, got that job that day. That's how things work. Like, they can move fast. Sometimes they can. They don't move as fast. I was in a much better place. [00:21:51] Speaker B: Because you were getting the push already that this wasn't a good fit anymore. That you, You. You kind of knew where the chips were falling. [00:22:01] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. [00:22:03] Speaker B: And we've all. I think you don't have to be highly spiritual to have had experience like that. But it's a great analogy for the spiritual letting go, you know, like what you said with your friend as well. If he hadn't decided, I'm. I've had enough of this job, he wouldn't have opened the doors to any other possibilities. [00:22:21] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:22:22] Speaker B: And when it. When it comes to the spir path, my goodness, you're opening your doors to so many possibilities that you couldn't even imagine before. You know, like. Like gifts opening up, for example, people becoming more clairaudient or clairvoyant. I think also one of the tests I think that we get is something that you did. You. You faced recently where you. You were asked by spirit, what are you willing to let go of? [00:22:58] Speaker A: Exactly? [00:22:58] Speaker B: And you said, everything. It's like, what do you want to keep holding on to? I could. I could live without holding on to any of this. [00:23:06] Speaker A: Yep. [00:23:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's huge. That's a total commitment to spirit. [00:23:10] Speaker A: But see, even that itself had to build up to. [00:23:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that didn't come over. [00:23:15] Speaker A: That didn't come overnight. It came because my. We went through a health crisis. As far as my husband was diagnosed with a health issue that required him to not be able to work. So where we were at as far as the apartment, we had to move out because it was raising its price. And it was like, so ridiculous. So needless to say, our in laws were like, we have a studio that you guys can move into. You don't have to pay anything. It's just that we want you guys to be good. We know that you guys been stressing a lot and stuff, and it was a blessing in disguise. And I think that the reason why this blessing fell through was because I wasn't worried about it. I was thinking, there's gotta be a better place, and we have pets and, you know, like, there's no way in a month you can just find another place, find a good place. And so this place came so perfectly. Well. What I didn't understand, that was the start of a shedding process. So the moment we go there, we have to prioritize what is important. Now there's only one income, and that income needs to be going to things that are, like, really, like, you absolutely need. There's no more blowing the money. There's no more, like, really expending on things that are unnecessary. And there's a shedding of everything that you think was once valuable and that you needed. You understand that there's. Life can be lived a lot simpler with just common things, but it's like you detach from all the materialistic things that you once thought that they were so big or you really needed. So then when I get to this part, when Spirit asked me, what are you willing to lose? And I'm like, I've lost everything. But it's good. I lost it in the best way possible, because if I hadn't lost it, I would still be lost because my focus in what's important was lost because I was so blinded by the shiny things. And once you get rid of the shiny things and you realize the materialistic parts outside of you, they're not as important as you really think. And when you have no choice but to let them go, it's so much easier to let go. [00:25:26] Speaker B: I think that's a pretty common one on the spiritual journey, too, where people just decide to pare down to just have just bare basics. A lot of people like, like you, they want to be world travelers, so the less they have, the better. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yep. [00:25:41] Speaker B: I have a friend who did that, too, before I left Seattle. She was just getting rid of everything because her goal was to just travel. So. So it's interesting, too, because while you were talking, I was thinking, well, that's the material stuff. And the material stuff is important in, in the. In this picture, because like I said, a lot of people find themselves shedding things, things they thought they'd never give up. You know, especially sentimental things. [00:26:10] Speaker A: Yes. [00:26:11] Speaker B: You know, like, this is related to. Well, there's a robin right outside. Sorry. I love. I love. I love seeing the birds. But, like, I'm holding on to this because it used to belong to so and so. And there's a point where you're going, why am I holding on to this? Just because it used to belong to, you know, let's not even make it your grandma. Let's make it like. Like a great, great relative you never met. Right. Like a couple generations back, you've been holding on to, you know, Auntie Marnie's apron. Well, we have to save that because that's Auntie Marnie's apron. You Never even met Auntie Marnie, you know, But. But, you know, it's like, well, I'm supposed to hold on to her apron. Or, you know, like the silver. Silver. Silver and china is a good example, because at one point, that was considered very valuable. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:02] Speaker B: But in this day and age, they're no. They've got almost zero resale value. And that's because people want things you can wash. Yeah. So. But in its day, like in the 20s, 30s, 40s, that was considered, like, you saved and you saved and you got your pieces of silver and you got your china. So a lot of people are holding on to their great great grandmother china and never pulling it out of the cabinet. So why are we holding on to these things that are sentimental for people who aren't even with us anymore? Yeah, And I did it. You know, it's like you think you're. You think you're honoring great Great Grandma by doing that, but Great Great Grandma's moved on. [00:27:41] Speaker A: You know, it's not even this plane anymore. [00:27:44] Speaker B: It's probably a little boy in east, you know, East Asia now. [00:27:50] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:27:52] Speaker B: But. But it's a good analog next step, which is also letting go of concepts and ideas that you once held so valuable. And that's the whole spiritual journey. That's where it starts. You have these mental shifts. It's like epiphanies, like we talked about them in the Tower moment episodes, where you're just like, oh, I. Oh, I get it now. Oh, oh. And so you let go of the training, the indoctrination, you know, something as simple as I have to have a house, like we brought up earlier, that would impede on Amaral's joy, which is to spread the good vibes around the world and work on the ley lines around the world to be feeling like you have to have this house and a mortgage. So that's one mindset. Where it goes, there's mindsets where it's like, oh, the big one, probably the biggest one for the spiritual path of letting go is that you need some kind of mediator between you and the divine. [00:29:00] Speaker A: Yes. [00:29:00] Speaker B: Because we're most Abrahamic religions definitely train you that way, that you need a priest, you need a pastor, you need an imam, you need a rabbi, because they are the mediums between you here on earth, you naughty little sinful you on earth and the divine. You are not worthy to connect directly to the divine. And that's a hard one for a lot of people to let go of. But when you are on the spiritual path, you eventually will have that epiphany. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Yep. And that is religious programming is huge. And religious programming is broken down in so many layers that even me, like us, like obviously we, we're constantly shedding things, but sometimes it's weird because we'll be shedding something and then all of a sudden it'll be revising something of that have to do with the religious programming. Maybe it's no longer as strong as before, so it's easier to acknowledge it, know it, let it go, but nonetheless it's still like throughout. It's almost like I think of religious programming like almost like a shattered thing that's handed to you and it has so many pieces. And then as you go through, it's kind of like as you're shedding there's going to be different layers of like, maybe you're like, you're thinking like, oh yeah, I'm working with like self worth issues. But then next thing you know is like, well, a lot of my self worth was because I didn't see myself for who I truly am. The divine in me. [00:30:33] Speaker B: Divine child of God. [00:30:34] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. So it's so many things that connect with that too. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Yes. And, and I think a lot of it too is it might once again that might start with certain steps and certain epiphanies that come up. Like, you know, for most of us on the spiritual path, I think we started, I. Well, for those of us who grew up having to go to church school, Christian school like I did, or Catholic. Yeah. It's like, wait a minute, the God in the front of that Bible book doesn't match the God in the back of the Bible when you finally kind of like, I can't even try to put these puzzles together anymore. I can't defend it anymore. It makes no sense. You know, that's one of the first steps toward shifting your perspective on spirituality and at least being willing to open up the path to like, what else, what else? What else doesn't make sense here, you know, so if this doesn't make sense, then another question about what else is? Well, what else does make sense? I mean, I think the whole spiritual journey is questioning, isn't it? [00:31:43] Speaker A: It is. [00:31:44] Speaker B: Especially for you. You know, he's a Scorpio, so he's always like, got a new quest, a new question, like, let me go deeper, let me go deeper, let me go deeper. [00:31:52] Speaker A: And that's something I can't even help. It just jumps in like I, I send it like I hear I can. I obviously you have to be allowed. You have to be able to hear before you can come to conclusions. And you have to be able to come up with your own questions. But then even like, things that like, are spiritually like, well, that's great and that's worked, and it worked great during that time. But what about right now? Because things change. [00:32:21] Speaker B: Yes. The zeitgeist of the group consciousness changes all the time. [00:32:26] Speaker A: And even like the way things were done back in the day with spirituality, the way things were seen has changed so much from now. So it's fair to say. And I think that, like, as we all evolve, things have to evolve. Like they become more inclusive, as I think we're tapping into an energy so unknown, but yet this energy, which we're in the age of Aquarius now, it builds us up to be like, I want to be my most authentic version of myself. Regardless of how you put like this structure of me to be, I'm still going to be me. So that's where it gets confusing because people see things, see guidelines, and, you know, I think that it's great. I think that what has worked with people has been great. I think that as we're sharing now with you, it's basis of this is what we experience. But it's your own journey ultimately. And on that journey you're going to experience a lot of things that maybe they're different than us. And that's not a bad thing. That just means that's how your journey is. [00:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think a good example of something. I was talking to someone yesterday on the phone, and she just kept talking over and over and over again about the teachings that she's been learning from, which are through East Indian teachings. And I could hear how enthusiastic she was about it, how much it's helped her personally. And I have no interest in that. So I was being polite and listening to her just because it's just not how my. My spirit, spiritual path as far as a magnet for me. [00:34:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:10] Speaker B: So I went into the Western Hermetics. She went into deep into the Eastern. I respect her. It's taken her very far. But, you know, I guess it's something else we're saying, you know, when you're letting go of certain things, you're going to be attracted to others. Certain doors are going to open up. Like, I wouldn't have gotten into Western Hermetics except for a series of events. These are when the synchronicities come in that, like you said, easily take you in a certain direction. [00:34:37] Speaker A: Yep. [00:34:37] Speaker B: And she was easily taken into that direction, which isn't for me. And I was easily taken into the Western. It is kind of interesting because I think, well, here's an example. So, you know, you. You. You close the door on one thing, and then something else opens up. So the reason I got into the Western hermetics is because one day I. I had my regular job. I wasn't happy, and I decided I was gonna go to a psychic fair after work because I worked on Saturdays. And I said, oh, you know what, if I really rush home, could get to that psychic fear for the last hour. And I wanted to go there because there was going to be an aura reader there, and I'd never had my aura read. And I went, you know what? I really want to do that. So I go to, you know, I rush home, I get in the car because I had to take a bus from Seattle, then get in the car to go to the other place. And then I get to there, I have time, and I open the door, and there are two people at the psychic fair. And I said, I came here for an aura reading. And they both started laughing hysterically because the two people were the person who had to stay to lock up, right? And the person who ended up being my mentor, Eli. And what happened was it was such a beautiful day in Seattle, which is rare that on a Saturday, that the fair was so close, people went home early. But Eli had been told by his. By his spiritual team, you have to stay. There's someone coming. And so the poor girl wanted to go home and lock up, too, I'm sure, But she was sticking around with him because he was told he had to stay, and it was me. And look at this. He's been the person who taught me Western hermetics and tarot, and I have been with him for 13 years now. So it was like, yes, the door opened for that, you know, so we talked about, like, letting go and trusting that you're doing the right thing. And it was. It was. For me, it was the right thing to do, was to get to that fair no matter what. Even though I'd worked already that day, I didn't let me being tired from work stop me. And there you go. So these are the kind of things that can happen for you when you. You let go of something, but then you're like, oh, okay, now the door's open. What do I do? Yeah, it can fall into place. It's amazing. [00:37:17] Speaker A: It is amazing. And then. So another thing, too, that we wanted to kind of mix with this topic is, yes, you do this surrendering and then it's like, okay, that's your part of just letting go and allowing something bigger to come in and help you and do the rest. [00:37:32] Speaker B: That's a good example. I surrendered to spirit. I knew I was supposed to go there. So you'll get this drive. Like, oh, I'm going to go someplace I've never been to before, or I'm going to read a book I never read before. Those kind of things. Yeah, go ahead. [00:37:45] Speaker A: And then the next thing that comes to you is now your own self, your own who you thought you were. In order to move into this new face that's coming up to you now, you have to go through this cycle. It's called, like, a death and rebirth cycle of yourself. Which sounds very dramatic, actually. I'm not gonna. I mean, as a Scorpio, I love these titles, right? The whole death and rebirth cycle. I'm all for it. But again, yesterday I was like, the death and rebirth cycle really came up. Because that is what we're constantly doing. We can. We're never gonna be to a point where, like, oh, we know everything or whatever, but we're constantly going to go through a death and rebirth cycle within ourselves. Who we thought we were once upon a time is going to change based on expansion, based on knowledge, based on wisdom, and based specifically on letting go of the old version that you thought you were before you went deep into your spiritual awakening. So I'm going to read what I wrote as far as death and rebirth says. Embracing the cycle of Transformation. We all undergo numerous transformations through our lives. By embracing this cycle, we learn to release what no longer serves us, uncovering our authentic selves. Our life's journey is a dynamic process of evolution where we continually expand and grow. Life is replete with lessons, and by recognizing our eternal nature as light beings, we transcend the physical realm we incarnate to learn, evolve, and elevate our consciousness. As we master life's lessons, we become wise observers, empowered to guide others with the wisdom gleaned from our experiences. We constantly shed old versions of ourselves, adopting new perspectives and refining our thoughts and emotions. By honoring the cycle of transformation, we acknowledge our growth and the infinite love and guidance that surrounds us. We are part of the of a unified whole. Yet our unique experience fosters empathy, compassion, and wisdom, enabling us to fulfill our purpose and assist others on their journeys. When we release our limitations, we unlock our potential, trusting that every decision and action yields valuable lessons. By embracing transformation and welcoming and welcome a. Give me one second. This got a little welcome A blessing that propels us forward. Resistance only intensifies the process. But surrender ensures that everything unfolds in our favor. We are loved, guided, and empowered. So that was the death and rebirth. And it's interesting because I'm definitely going through that. I think we probably all are to a certain degree, but these energies coming in are really pushing out everything we once thought we were. And I mean, it's doing it for the right reasons. [00:41:06] Speaker B: There was something in what you read that the word I glommed on to that I really like was limitations, Letting go of limitations. And sometimes we don't even realize their limitations. We think that they're our greatest asset, and we find out they're actually limitations. [00:41:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:24] Speaker B: So, yeah. And one thing that people don't always understand, but it's very clear when you study tarot and you look at the death card in tarot, because the death card is not about physical death. Not at all. If you get the death card in a reading, when you know what it is, you're like, yes, the death card is here. Yes. Because it's spiritual transformation. Exactly what we're talking about. Letting go of the things that have been limiting us so that we can become a better version of ourselves. So what they don't realize. But you do know with the death card, there's an automatic rebirth. Every time you see that death card, it means I'm rebirthing into the new. Every time you shift, you're rebirthing into the new. My guides are going, yeah, you're Jesus. You're just like Jesus. We are. Jesus said we're just like him. Right? [00:42:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:21] Speaker B: So we're constantly dying and resurrecting and becoming someone new and different. And usually if you're on the spiritual path, you feel like you've been born into somebody a lot better. [00:42:38] Speaker A: And the other thing is, which I want to mention now, like, Spirit's really poking me at that. Is that. Because I experience this a lot, is that sometimes along with the shedding. The shedding is. Is very intense sometimes, depending on what we're shedding away. But something such big parts of us, especially nowadays, there's so much energy coming in that we start grieving our old selves. And it's part of, like, maneuvering or going ease on that. It's integrating because we have to understand that we have a human body and needs to integrate everything. But then the other part is that it. It is literally grieving because you. You are seeing a part of yourself that you always identified as dying, literally. And you have to you're bringing in this new version of yourself, and you know it's for the better, but nonetheless, you're gonna have a grieving point. [00:43:37] Speaker B: And that's okay. [00:43:38] Speaker A: Yep, it's okay. [00:43:40] Speaker B: And I think that's coming up for you and. And me in particular, because we had a ceremony this weekend that we both partook, it took. Took part in, and it shifted more energy within us than I think I expected. And I was a little bit. I wasn't really crying, but I had that overriding sense of melancholy. And I knew it was because part of me was going, you know, that the ceremony had cleared something that I wasn't aware of yet. It didn't feel tangible yet. I had brain fog. I was tired. But I was also feeling that sense of loss. [00:44:24] Speaker A: Yep. [00:44:25] Speaker B: Not that. Not that I was upset about it, but you do have. It's solemn. It's solemn. I guess that's the good word for it. [00:44:32] Speaker A: And see, it's so interesting because Lola told me that on the day of, like that evening when we were done with the ceremony and stuff, she kind of like shared her feelings and how she was feeling. And I thought, like. Because on Friday I had a big release where they had a lot of tears. I'm like, I think I'm good because I just shed quite a few tears before. And then comes the drum circle the next day. [00:44:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. We had this ceremony on Saturday, and then I had a drum circle that I facilitate on Sunday. [00:45:01] Speaker A: And so we go into drum circle. And keep in mind, there's absolutely nothing wrong with crying. Like, crying is just a release, just like any other release. But I'm not like, I cry quite a bit when I do big releases on my own and so. [00:45:21] Speaker B: But not in front of people. [00:45:22] Speaker A: Not in front of people. And not that there's shame to that at all, as I'm saying. It's just. I'm not usually the type that goes into that in the drum circle the first two songs. And I'm like, what is going on? All I keep doing is just crying and crying and crying because it's like the divine. There's like the divine feminine is so powerful, but it's also like touching in with those feelings, like those interference. [00:45:47] Speaker B: Heart centered. [00:45:48] Speaker A: It's very heart centered. So you're just allowing to come out. And I'm like, man, sometimes spirit is interesting because it's like, pause there. We're not ready to let go. Let's hold it for a bit. And then all of a sudden something will happen. It's like all right. I have to just let it go. [00:46:03] Speaker B: And it's funny for me because I've wanted to cry for Ever since the ceremony, but I haven't yet. So I think it's coming. Oh, yeah, I think it's coming. So that's part of the release and I guess the surrender we talked about earlier, because the release of the emotions about. I guess, for lack of a better word, a sense of some kind of loss. [00:46:25] Speaker A: Yes. [00:46:25] Speaker B: As you're adjusting to the new vibrations that you're bringing in. In this case, because of a ceremony or two ceremonies. I guess if you can't. Drum circle. [00:46:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:36] Speaker B: That you got to trust. And so I'm. Trust. So you already cried. I'm trusting the tears are coming. [00:46:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:44] Speaker B: They haven't quite fulminated yet. And it's okay when they do. They will. [00:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:46:50] Speaker B: And I guess that's part of what we're talking about. The surrender and allowing and the. I trust the cycle. I trust my guides. I trust myself. Spirit. That this is all part of a release and that eventually that it will. It will feel more tangible for me. [00:47:06] Speaker A: Yep. [00:47:07] Speaker B: I feel it. Building it. The floodgates have not quite opened yet. And who knows? I might do it in public, too. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Sometimes it just happens that way, and it's okay. [00:47:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So. But. But we both knew this is. Because it's. It's leading to something better, more fulfilling for ourselves, something that we plan to use in the future. This. This new knowledge we gained at the ceremony. So it's a good thing, ultimately. So anyway, so we were. [00:47:40] Speaker A: We. [00:47:40] Speaker B: I already feel reborn. [00:47:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:47:43] Speaker B: I already feel reborn. I'm a new me. So. See, something as simple as a ceremony, like a cacao ceremony, for example, could trigger someone to have a shift. It could be just listening to a meditation on YouTube that somehow shifts your energy. [00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:58] Speaker B: Whatever you're doing, it's. It's fine. It's like you don't have to spend money and pay for a ceremony or anything. It could be just you, like I said, pick up a book that you've had for a couple years ago. About time I read that. And you read. And there's one passage in there that shifts you completely. Went, oh, my God. I had never seen life like that before. And that could even be a fiction book, not even necessarily a spiritual book, but you become a new you when you. When you open yourself up to this new knowledge that just this. This truth bomb that hit you, you know? [00:48:35] Speaker A: And I think that that's part of it, because us as what we're taught is that everything has to go in a certain somehow pattern. Like, oh, unless we're having this incredible spiritual thing that that's when it. It just points it out where we're going to be able to shed, or we're going to have to have a huge breakthrough. When in reality it can be anywhere that you can have a huge breakthrough. Because it can be like, for example, what Lola was saying. Like, it has happened so many times to me where I. Without. Without meaning to, I bottle things up and I couldn't really get the emotions out. And then all of a sudden I'll hear a song, and on the song there's certain lyrics that's really speaking to me, but it's speaking to me because it's allowing me finally to really connect with it and let it out, what needs to be out so that I can allow the new version of myself to come in. But I'll just be like, bawling my eyes out. And it's so interesting because sometimes it catch. It catches you so off guard. I did a big, huge release on my actual anniversary date right before I went out to have dinner and celebrated. And the thing is, I thought because I was setting up myself to, like, have this big release and stuff, and I'm like, I just need to get it out because I'm so emotional. The last thing I need to do is at the table be crying in front of everyone because it's like nobody knows that I'm getting ready to have this huge release. And what's interesting is, yeah, of course I had my release. Like, I totally, like, had the release. When I did the healing, I did a healing session with one of my friends. But then the good thing is it allowed me to take a nap to integrate a little bit. And when I woke up from the nap, I felt so, like, new. And I did not have any desires to cry. In fact, I felt great. It was the perfect energy to go celebrate. And then by going out and celebrating my anniversary and being happy about it, and we had friends join us and my stepdaughter. So that was incredible too, because the whole energy was so supportive. Throughout that day, I got so many congratulations. There were just so many people reaching out. And I felt like that sincere, honest, like, oh, we're happy for you guys. And it was our 10th anniversary too, not to top it off. And so I was just. Sometimes we're never going to know exactly when things happen, but part of having that surrender moment of just trusting that things will always work out and Even if you are going through a big release, always trying to say, because we can't live your journey, but we can definitely help you with sorting out your emotions and being a little gentler with yourself and allowing yourself to be you, allowing yourself to have that release, allowing yourself to have that true surrender moment so that you can be reborn anew. And that's what we're really about with this episode. It's trying to allow you to have your own journey and to have your own experience. Is there anything you would like to add to that? [00:52:14] Speaker B: When I was listening to you, it's kind of like when they talk about the fool card in Tarot, which is a new beginning, but it's also so the wide eyed wonder of a child. And you kind of woke up with that, didn't you? That feeling of, okay, something's changed, something's been released, but I've been reborn into this sense of wonder and beauty and excitement. And that's what we're trying to encourage you guys to think about too. You might be going through something that feels like it's a major challenge right now. A lot of stress, a lot of angst associate with it. And by surrendering into knowing that, yes, something has to change in this situation and then you come out of it eventually a brighter, shinier you. It seems implausible while you're going through it. I know, but you do come out with a much better perspective on life when you say, okay, that did have to go. Sure. Everyone, even in a mundane sense, can relate to, like, you got let go from a job. I've been let go from a job. And it's devastating. At first you feel like, oh my gosh, I'm just an idiot. But then you realize like a couple years later go, that was the best thing that could ever happen to me. You know, I think there's a few of us probably in the audience who could say that too, so. And same thing happens on the spiritual path. I've been holding on to this dogma for so long, I finally let it go and now I feel renewed and. And I have that sense of wonder, or I was holding on to that. The world always functions this way. Thought. And then when I let it go, went, well, what if it could be different? Things change for the better, ultimately. So I guess truth bumps when I said that one. Synchronicities will point things out to you too. It's. It's just gonna. I guess it's what we were trying to re. Really, really tell you was when you surrender, even if it might feel like you're letting go of something, feels like part of you is dying, the rebirth is coming. It will always be a rebirth. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Because just like they say in how energy works is energy never dies. It always changes, transforms. It transforms. So that's part of your transformation. And I think that the. One of the things that I want to leave you guys with is that with times, we all know how things can get so stressful. But that's why we're going through our spiritual awakening. Because at times where everything outside, outside of us seems so chaotic, it's the time to go within. Because only within would you find the things that resonate with the chaos and be able to neutralize those things so they're no longer affecting you or triggering as they were before. Not that that necessarily is bad, because it's also pointing on where the healing needs to be done. But just know that we do. We can't control things outside of us. The only control we have is within ourselves. So the more emotionally balanced we become, the more we focus on our inner healing, the more adapt you are to this world. Because, I mean, we can't paint you a perfect world. And that's not what this world's supposed to be about. This world's about to teach us lessons, to learn us, to teach us how to stand in our power, how to be ourselves, and how to not get sucked into this whole chaos that's going on. Because if you are getting sucked into the chaos, then you're not really going to be there for yourself as well as you're not going to be able to be there for others. [00:56:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And all these challenges on the spiritual path, including physical challenges, are part of what's helping us to learn how we can rebalance ourselves. And that way, the only thing we can control is our reaction to what's going around. [00:56:27] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:56:27] Speaker B: Around. On. Around us. And the more that you get that practice wobbling and recorrecting your wobble and harmonizing, the better off you are and the better off the whole collective is. [00:56:43] Speaker A: Yep. [00:56:44] Speaker B: So you're helping yourself, and you're helping humanity every time that you start applying some of the lessons you've learned and seeing things through the eyes of the child, not the person who you used to be. [00:56:57] Speaker A: Mm. [00:56:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:02] Speaker A: Well, thank you. [00:57:03] Speaker B: I don't know what else to say. [00:57:05] Speaker A: I think we actually covered everything. I'm, like, glad that we were able to really bring everything we needed to express out again. Thank you for joining us. Please share with anyone that knows that could benefit from this episode. [00:57:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Our goal is really to help as many people as we can, and especially people who are new to the spiritual journey. So if you have a friend or family member who is a little bit confused about what's happening, as we all are at the beginning of the spiritual journey, please let them know about our podcast. [00:57:42] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:57:42] Speaker B: All right, bye.