15 QUESTIONS ABOUT SPIRITUAL AWAKENING

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness. Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you're likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week. Join us as we spill the tea on what it's like to wake up to your authentic self. Hello, my name is Lola Singer, and I am with my favorite co host. [00:00:28] Speaker B: Hello, I am Amaral, and today is [00:00:31] Speaker A: so let's Go Back to Basics Day. Because we started this podcast specifically to help people who are new to the spiritual journey in order to help them understand some of the things that they may think they're doing wrong, but they're really not. The things we learned the hard way we're sharing with you so you can learn them a little more easily and be prepared for them and normalize the situation. Right. Because the spiritual awakening is very powerful and it's very worthwhile, but there are lumps and bumps away for sure. So what I wanted to do is just put myself back in the mindset of someone who's new to the spiritual journey. And I asked, well, what are the questions we would want to know when we're new to this? And that's what this episode's about, spiritual awakening, where the questions that most people have, and we have 20 points to address in front of us, we're going to be reading off paper because we like doing that here. I don't know if we'll get through all 20. So what we'd like to do is get through as many as we can on this episode in order to help you and even the seasoned people on the spiritual path either remember what it was like so they can help others, or to maybe get a fresh perspective on something, too. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Yep. [00:01:54] Speaker A: So I was a newbie. Some people wake up and they remember they have spiritual gifts from childhood onward. You know, they're playing with fairies or, you know, they're telepathic or something. And if I was like that, and I suspect I was at some, to some degree, I think we all were. It was completely trained and programmed out of me. How about you? [00:02:17] Speaker B: I would say I remember things at a very, very early childhood, like when I was a kid before I started entering school, but then all of a sudden it seemed like it was frowned upon, so then I just had to kind of change things up. [00:02:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think that's true. I think there's more people probably in the audience who don't remember their gifts. Than were born with them and retained them. And so when there's something right there, you haven't done anything wrong, so you're going to wake up again. That's really all you're doing. You're opening yourself up to receiving the gifts you already had. New perceptions that really are not new perceptions. Perceptions just reawakening again. So anything you want to add to that before we dive in on some of these points? [00:03:07] Speaker B: No, I think that, I mean, it brings out a lot of important points, so it's good that we're going to talk about them. So I think that anything I could possibly bring up will come up with the points. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Okay. Since we're going back to basics, it doesn't get more basic than the first question. Do you want to read it? [00:03:22] Speaker B: Yes. What is spiritual awakening? [00:03:26] Speaker A: And the answer that we got in our Internet search that succinctly describes it is it's your soul overriding your conditioning. Isn't that what we just talked about? So when you're waking, awakening, it's a reawakening. So some of the examples that you might have experienced yourself would be that you're catching yourself reacting and thinking to yourself, wait a minute, that's not how I actually feel anymore. And I kind of remember that I, you know, I'm a jaded, punk rock loving artist and very, very cynical. And I've become less cynical. So I think whenever that did pop up, it was like, wow, I noticed I'm not as jaded as I used to be. Anything you want to share about your personal experiences to help the people in the audience? [00:04:23] Speaker B: I think that I was on the other end. Like, I felt like I was very lost. Like I didn't even know who I truly was because of being a huge people pleaser. And so because of that, it was almost like I had a loss of completely of who I truly am. So I have to rediscover that for myself. [00:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And for me, I think with this, that's not actually how I feel anymore. My. I was doing a lot of posturing, you know, when, you know, kind of don't, don't get near me, I look dangerous. Kind of posturing. [00:04:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you want to read the next one? [00:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Things you use to defend you quietly release. [00:05:06] Speaker A: Like politics. [00:05:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Or religion or just things that no longer align with you. [00:05:14] Speaker A: Yeah. What I'm hearing in my head and must be coming from my guides is you become less militant, more accepting, more in the flow when you have a spiritual awakening and the next one is that you Sense. You're living more from within than from expectation. That is the entire spiritual awakening, isn't it? [00:05:35] Speaker B: Yep. [00:05:36] Speaker A: You're living within. You're trusting yourself more. You're trusting your guidance more. You're not looking for outside saviors. You know, it's like the answers come from within me, not from outside of me. [00:05:50] Speaker B: Exactly. Well, and then you start putting the pieces together of if the answers are coming within me, not outside of me. What else is. Truly the true is within, not outside of me. And everything starts collapsing once you start putting it. Connecting those dots. The next one is you pause before responding like something deeper is checking in. How many of us, I'm sure, can relate to before not even ever stopping to think before speaking? We. We remember those scenarios and what they cost us or what chaos we open up for ourselves. But it is. It's about that. Taking that pause to checking in with something deeper and really thinking before you speak. [00:06:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I think you naturally become more reflective, don't you? So that doesn't describe everything about a spiritual awakening. Those are just a few examples. But really, I love what it says here. Your soul is overriding your conditioning. That's how you know. Okay, so what's the next question on our list? [00:07:01] Speaker B: So our next question is, how do I know if I am awakening? [00:07:06] Speaker A: And what's the response? [00:07:07] Speaker B: Your frequency no longer matches your environment. [00:07:10] Speaker A: Oh, I bet people can relate to that one in the audience. [00:07:12] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that one's huge. Because when your frequency no longer starts matching your environment, you see a full collapse. Literally. Like, things start shedding away because they're no longer a match to your frequency. [00:07:26] Speaker A: A lot of tower moments. Yep. So conversations feel surface level when they didn't before. Oh, we know that one, don't we? Yeah, we go out with our friends and they're talking about things like. Let's use a very, very extreme example, like gossiping. And you just don't want to be part of that. And you used to enjoy it. [00:07:46] Speaker B: Yeah, we just don't care to hear it. Because you're just like. Because this doesn't. The funny thing is, like, I always think of, like, tell me you're insecure without telling me you're insecure. You're going to be gossiping. That's like the one thing when you're gossiping is because there's something that is just like. It's just so weird to me that people don't see that. That is just an insecurity. It's a big time insecurity. [00:08:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think this Is a. A good point. Because you're becoming more authentic. [00:08:19] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:19] Speaker A: Within yourself. So, you know, you can't deal with inauthentic conversations anymore. [00:08:25] Speaker B: And even things like, for example, like, you want to hold yourself out with a different light, like, meaning you want to be like, what? In order to be truly authentic, you have to practice what you preach. An example of that. For example, my husband, the other day, he went to the gym, and I guess his sister was asking him some questions, and he goes, he just sends me a message that is like the most ridiculous message that says, if my sister ask if I went to the gym, tell him that I did something else. And I'm like, so what part of I don't lie did you not understand when I told you that? And he goes. [00:09:07] Speaker A: And he gets laughing. [00:09:09] Speaker B: And the funniest thing is he just goes. He's like, oh, I guess I'll never ask you to do some little thing for me. I said, well, it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with me. It has to do with if I'm asking for the world to be honest with me, why would I lie? Like, that makes absolutely no sense. So in order for things to change, in order for things to really to stabilize into. This is what I want out of my life. What you. You have to have honesty with yourself. If you don't have honesty with yourself, what do you have? [00:09:41] Speaker A: Well, I think you're actually honing in on integrity. [00:09:44] Speaker B: Yes, a lot more of integrity. But it's just that funny moment when you, like, no, that's not a small favor. And, no, I cannot do that for you. [00:09:56] Speaker A: So another way you might know, your awakenings, you feel drained in places that used to feel normal. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Yes. [00:10:03] Speaker A: First thing I thought of was church. [00:10:05] Speaker B: And I thought even of, like, I went back after years after going through my awakening, and I went back to the club where I used to go out all the time and drink a lot and, like, just do home. So many crazy things. And I was so out of my element because it was like I was present. And there was this mirror being held in front of me, and the mirror was everyone there, because they were all expressing things that I used to do that I just was no longer lying. Oh, that triggered me. But it was a good trigger. But it was just crazy how it just hit me so hard. [00:10:42] Speaker A: And I think feeling drained in places can also be something as simple as your current job. [00:10:47] Speaker B: Exactly. When you're no longer aligned to it. I can definitely speak for that one, too. [00:10:53] Speaker A: That's a big one. You're going to know that. You'll know your way of getting when that happens. What's the next one? Would you like to read it? [00:10:59] Speaker B: You start craving quiet space or solitude [00:11:03] Speaker A: because you're starting to trust the within, aren't you? [00:11:06] Speaker B: That, and also you start automatically going into what brings me peace, what brings me quiet, what that's like my own personal space. So you start valuing that because you realize that before that, you were just kind of going with what everybody else was saying and going with others, but that's not you. That was never you. It's funny, because one of my. One of my friends, when I really did my spiritual journey, he thought he happened to be a Gemini. He thought he was going to be making me feel guilty by saying, oh, you become boring. And I'm like, yeah, I'd rather 10 billion times be boring than having to put up with the chaos I once did. [00:11:53] Speaker A: Good point. Yeah. And I love solitude, and that's where I do my best healing. And I think this is a good point, because I think a lot of people feel lonely, so they want to be with people. And I do think it's a sign of healing when you can be comfortable either way. [00:12:12] Speaker B: And that's the thing is, it's not that you don't want to be around people. You just want people to be at your frequency. You want to talk about innovation. You want to enjoy the moment. You don't want to be feeling like you have to spend time with people that are wearing a mask, that they're not being themselves. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Okay, well, quiet space or solitude. I think it's also because people start meditating. They go. They start thinking more deeply. They don't need as many distractions. So. Yep. So another way you might know that you're awakening is you notice that I just don't enjoy this the way I used to. That goes for so many things. Even. Even food. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Mm. Oh, yeah. [00:12:58] Speaker A: I mean, even some of the stuff that, you know, you used to eat regularly. It's like, oh, my God, I cannot put that junk food in my mouth anymore. [00:13:06] Speaker B: I want. Okay, I'm gonna tell you guys, this is a really funny story. So when I was growing up. Well, and it was part of it, too. Like, your parents, like, bring in certain things, and, like, you as a kid are like, oh, get me this or get me that, or, what would you guys like to eat? And then it's like, when you have those cheap days, we always love for our parents to bring us pizza from Little Caesar's Pizza, because everybody Knows Little Caesar's is the most inexpensive pizza that's out there. I cannot eat little Scissors pizza because the quality of the ingredients is so low that it just upsets my stomach every single time. And it has nothing to do with ingredients. Well, I guess it does have to do with ingredients because they're lower quality. But it doesn't matter which pizza it is. It's just. It just irritates my stomach and it hurts. And my sister in law the other day goes like, oh, we can order a hot. Some hot and ready. And I was like, you guys can eat that I cannot. [00:14:03] Speaker A: And that's just one example. And other examples like you talked about the dance club. [00:14:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Even music you used to like you might not enjoy anymore because it's just not a good frequency management. Exactly. And that's very normal on the process of awakening. So you might have some personal examples in your life that we're not saying out loud ourselves, but that you can picture. Okay. So what's the next one? [00:14:29] Speaker B: The next one is am I awakening or just overthinking. And this is part of the mind trying to process energetic expansion. [00:14:41] Speaker A: That's one thing I say to people, you know, when I'm doing readings. It's like you're trying to use your rational mind to label something that is not rational. And it's just kind of a fool's paradise to try to do that. [00:14:56] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:14:57] Speaker A: Yeah. But your mind is definitely gonna do it. Especially if you're a Gemini, like your friend and me, or a Libra. Right. Or Aquarius. So you might get racing thoughts about meaning, purpose and direction. Yes, you absolutely will have racing thoughts about. You might not. It's not that. You might. You will. [00:15:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:19] Speaker A: One of the most common questions I get as a tarot reader is, am I living my true purpose? What is my purpose? So those are the kind of thoughts that is being addressed right here and looping questions. What's actually true? That's a great question. Because truth, I have discovered, is relative. So we could go on a whole philosophical bent about what is true. Because here's an example. What is true for you is that you don't want to eat that pizza. What's true for other people is it's delicious. I want to eat it all. [00:15:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:55] Speaker A: You know who's more true? [00:15:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:58] Speaker A: So then you're applying this to big spiritual concepts and your brain's going to go on overdrive. [00:16:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:05] Speaker A: What is true about the spiritual awakening? Guess what? Nothing. It's all personal. It's all relative. [00:16:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:15] Speaker A: So my My answer to that is, nothing is true. [00:16:17] Speaker B: Well, not only that, but even as you evolved and you heal yourself, you're gonna find things that you once thought that were a certain way and there were certain truths that you really valued are going to change. [00:16:29] Speaker A: And that happens throughout the entire spiritual awakening. You'll get to one level. You've let go of some things you used to think were true. Now I'm at this level. I believe this is true. And then eventually you're gonna look around and go, I've expanded more. Now I don't even think the level I'm at is true. But you once thought it was true. [00:16:46] Speaker B: Yep. [00:16:47] Speaker A: So that's why I'm saying there's no truth, there's experience. How's that? [00:16:51] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:16:54] Speaker A: Okay. Another way that you can check that you are overthinking or not is when you're feeling mentally busy, but internally aware of the busyness. That's what we've been calling metacognition, right? [00:17:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:08] Speaker A: It's like an outside experience. It's like I'm observing myself doing this. This is so surreal. But you'll find yourself doing that naturally at times, right? [00:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, and that's also, like, exactly what you want to lead to, because you want to be the observer of your life. You don't want to be all involved in every single thing. You'll drive yourself nuts. [00:17:28] Speaker A: Yes. So if you notice that you are noticing your thoughts. Thumbs up to you. [00:17:35] Speaker B: Yep. No, you're not going crazy, too. Because the first thing people think, am I going crazy? No, you're not going crazy. [00:17:41] Speaker A: No, no. And then, you know, as you go further on the spiritual path and you start to realize, I've. I'm embodying spirit here. So I am not my thoughts. I am the driver of my thoughts. [00:17:55] Speaker B: Right. And also, like, one thing that I practice. Well, that I've been practicing lately is after everyone speaks to me, especially when they have their own stories and stuff, I ask myself in my mind, is this mine to carry, or should I? And if not, just I let it go because that will help you so much. And just getting in the habit of not trapping things and thinking, like, claiming it as they're yours because they're not yours. It's like, even if it's something that connects with you, what you've been through and stuff, you don't help anyone by lowering your frequency. Instead, you just kind of like, okay, that's their story. I'm listening and holding space for them. However, I'm not going to go there with Them. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Well, and one more thing that. Where you're wondering, am I awakening or just overthinking? You'll have moments when your thinking drops and the clarity steps in. [00:18:58] Speaker B: Yep. [00:18:59] Speaker A: So you have your aha moments. [00:19:02] Speaker B: So you know when I get my most aha moments that is really interesting is drying. Imagine that. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Because you're so relaxed. [00:19:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:10] Speaker A: Because he likes to color Mandelas. And that just puts you into kind of a little alpha state. You're. [00:19:16] Speaker B: You're. Yeah, that's the other thing too. Like, there's so many different ways to meditate, you guys. It's not just one way that, to me, that's like meditation. I feel like I'm just so calm. I'm at peace. I'm not allowing anything to just come in. I'm just in the present. I'm choosing the colors. And then all of a sudden, I get, like, really cool, like, thoughts of, like, oh, why didn't I think of this before? Yeah. [00:19:40] Speaker A: Because you're. You're relaxed enough that your mind can flow freely. [00:19:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:45] Speaker A: With a lot. Without a lot of jumble. [00:19:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:49] Speaker A: Okay, so the next question you might ask yourself when you're new to the spiritual journey, and this is a big one. Why do I feel disconnected? And it's the simple answers. You're between timelines. [00:20:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:03] Speaker A: So we talked about how you. You get to one level, and then you kind of outgrow it and move to the next. That's what we're talking about here. And that is perfectly normal. So you might be going through your normal routine, but feeling kind of detached from it. That's one of the signs. [00:20:20] Speaker B: Well, because you've changed, but yet your reality hasn't catch on yet to it. So you're in that between moment. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Yeah. They call it the liminal space. And the liminal space is. It's just. It's kind of like. It's limbo. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:34] Speaker A: It really. It's like, I'm. I've got one foot. Foot in this world and one foot in another. What do I do? Yeah. And. And guess what? That's a continual process. So you'll be going through that. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Get comfortable with that. [00:20:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Get comfortable with the liminal space. [00:20:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So some examples for that is you're going through your normal routine but feel slightly detached, which we kind of mentioned a little bit. But this is, like, literally, like, your routines, like, what you do every day, you're just gonna find them to, like, you are completely detached from it. Or you go in that autopilot, we call it, where you're just like not even phased by it. [00:21:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Like. Like when you feel like a whole week has passed and you know it's. It's been one day [00:21:27] Speaker B: or the opposite. You think it's like, I thought we were just a Monday and [00:21:35] Speaker A: Okay. You also might feel like you're. That life feels muted or surreal at times. It will. It will feel surreal a lot. Muted. Did it feel muted for you? [00:21:47] Speaker B: Yes, but it was only like. It's interesting because you're observing becomes to such levels that you can be out and you can be talking to a friend and there's outside conversations always. But now you realize that you're tuning into whoever and then the frequency is also like having you show different parts like different conversations going on. So the muted part, it's like sometimes you have to just mute your surroundings so that you can really focus on the things that you're doing. But you're observing. You're observing and muting and listening at the same time. It's very bizarre. [00:22:31] Speaker A: How are you liking the spiritual awakening so far? People. Okay. And another way you might understand that you're feeling disconnected is that you don't feel fully in your old identity anymore. That's kind of like what we talked about in the last section too. Even something as simple as your taste in food and your work, you know, all of a sudden you go, I used to enjoy this and I just get no joy from it now. [00:22:59] Speaker B: Yeah. So nobody likes to bland anything. Bland tasting things. [00:23:05] Speaker A: Some people do. I've met them. [00:23:06] Speaker B: Oh well, I'm sorry, but [00:23:11] Speaker A: people on the spiritual path usually don't. [00:23:13] Speaker B: No, that's why they started that spiritual path. And we also have a sense of floating between two versions of yourself. [00:23:23] Speaker A: That's the liminal state again. So the disconnect is totally normal. People. Okay, what's the next one? [00:23:31] Speaker B: Why do I feel so alone? [00:23:33] Speaker A: Oh boy, do I hear that a lot. When people get tarot readings. [00:23:37] Speaker B: And it's a recalibration of resonance. [00:23:41] Speaker A: Resonance. How you harmonize with people. Yeah. So you can be around people and still feel alone. [00:23:49] Speaker B: But you know what? I feel like this is just me. This is how I felt. And what made me feel more alone is because I was trying to push people in my life to stay and I felt really alone because there's nothing [00:24:06] Speaker A: push them to stay. [00:24:07] Speaker B: Yes. Like meaning like you grow in frequency and you're no longer aligned and people drop and you don't want those people to drop. Especially if these people were have been friends for so long, they've been even Relatives that you were close to once upon a time. And then all of a sudden, you're no longer resonating because your vibration's different. So what happens is, for me, I felt like I wanted to still keep him in my life. But when I had conversations with them, I felt like I was alone because there was nothing that they could bring to me to make me feel like I was heard, like I was actually in a conversation. So you can feel alone sometimes with the wrong people is what I'm really getting to. [00:24:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess I was confused when you said stay, because it was almost like you wanted them to stay at their level. That's why I was. [00:24:59] Speaker B: No, I wanted them to stay in my life, and I had to learn the hard way that I need to let him go. [00:25:07] Speaker A: I. I missed the boat on that one. [00:25:08] Speaker B: No, you're good. That's why I was like Lola. Because the truth is, like, we get that fear. Like, I think it's a natural fear. And we say, well, if I grow and I keep shedding, I keep losing people, am I going to be alone? [00:25:24] Speaker A: No, but you'll find that. [00:25:25] Speaker B: You'll find new people, and you're never really truly alone. But, I mean, it's. You're going to find that out. [00:25:30] Speaker A: You're going to find the people you do resonate with now, even if it. Even if it's long distance or online, you will. [00:25:37] Speaker B: Which is the next one? Funny, I just addressed it. You can be around people and still feel alone. That's because of the mismatch of frequency. [00:25:46] Speaker A: We just did that one. [00:25:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that's why I said. We just talked about that one. But that one's the next one in our list. [00:25:51] Speaker A: No, because I read it already on the list. [00:25:53] Speaker B: Never mind. [00:25:55] Speaker A: You were just thinking about your friends so much. [00:25:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. [00:25:58] Speaker A: Okay, how about the next one? [00:25:59] Speaker B: Fewer people feel like you can really talk to. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Yep. The deeper you go, the harder it is to find people on the same wavelength. It doesn't mean they're not there, but it is. I always tell people, when you're on the spiritual path, the dating pool gets a lot smaller. [00:26:16] Speaker B: I told that to my clients client, because she was like, oh, yeah, Like, I'm getting ready. I think I'm ready to date now. And she's been really in her spiritual journey. And I literally. I couldn't resist. I said, well, good luck. Because you know what they say this. The dating pool gets a lot smaller once you start in your spiritual way. [00:26:34] Speaker A: And that's for good reason. Yeah, because you're not going to compromise. [00:26:37] Speaker B: And the good thing is, which I. I knew she was ready, is she bursted out laughing. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Okay, good. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Because she said, you couldn't be more truer. I've been. I tried the online dating and that's not ever gonna work for me. So I'm gonna just go on frequency now. And I said, that's probably way better for you. [00:26:52] Speaker A: Way, way, way better. Yep. Okay. And then old friendships feel harder to engage in naturally. I think we covered that in the first. At the beginning. [00:27:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:03] Speaker A: Like the people at the club. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Were those ever friends, though? [00:27:08] Speaker A: Well, I know which club you're talking about in Seattle, and they probably weren't really good friends. [00:27:13] Speaker B: I was gonna say they weren't that. [00:27:16] Speaker A: Like. [00:27:17] Speaker B: I think the loudness of the music helped us to get us by because we didn't have to interfere that much. There was a lot of drinking and dancing. That's all I remember. [00:27:25] Speaker A: But I do like the way this is phrased. Old friendships feel harder to engage in naturally. That doesn't mean you can't engage in them still. [00:27:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:33] Speaker A: It's just not going to have the same flow it did because the resonance is a little off. [00:27:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:38] Speaker A: And this is. This is the one you want deeper connection but don't know where to find it. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Yep, yep. [00:27:46] Speaker A: You deep. Deep. And the more you go into the spiritual journey and the more you learn about yourself and become more authentic and really yearn to be around other authentic people who've been on a similar path, you just crave the deeper conversations. So the surface level stuff doesn't matter. You're not going to be talking about the weather anymore. [00:28:15] Speaker B: No. You're not going to be talking about. [00:28:17] Speaker A: You're going to get really excited and, you know, talk about, you know, shadow work. And yes, it is hard to find it and it's a frustration for a lot of people. But I would say it's still worth it to keep your resonance high and know that eventually you'll attract those people rather than to compromise yourself. [00:28:42] Speaker B: Yep. [00:28:44] Speaker A: So I didn't know I was going to find it up here. I'm a displaced Seattleite. I was living up here in Mount Verona temporarily, but I ended up finding great people up here like you. So apparently my residence. I was in the right place at the right time to meet some people who've become really good friends. But I wouldn't have expected it. I was ready to move to another big city. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Well, that really interesting too, is that. Didn't you. When you move up here, there was a lot of People that you knew from there that moved, that had already moved up here. Yeah. [00:29:20] Speaker A: So I guess I was always in resonance with them. [00:29:23] Speaker B: Well, that was my next point, is that you did meet some people. It's just not everyone. And the ones that were connected, you kept connection with. [00:29:34] Speaker A: Okay, what's the next one on the [00:29:35] Speaker B: list is what triggers an awakening? Which. The answer is a soul level interruption. [00:29:45] Speaker A: That's the powerful combination of words, a soul level interruption. So this is talking about life changes, a breakup, loss, illness, major life changes that can shift you. That is so true. Because I'm going to use an extreme example. I know several people and so do you who had near death experiences that triggered their spiritual awakening. [00:30:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:13] Speaker A: It doesn't have to be that extreme a breakup, you know, then you change, shifting the resonance of who you're around. Loss, illness, anything. All these things make you question your life. So of course it could lead to spiritual awakening. [00:30:26] Speaker B: Yeah. So there would have to be, I mean, deep things that you definitely feel in order to make you question. [00:30:34] Speaker A: Oh, here's a good one. So what else triggers an awakening? What else could be a soul level interruption? When you notice a success that should feel good, but it doesn't. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Yep. [00:30:44] Speaker A: You know, like, like for me, like, like earning commission on something, you know, it's like, so what? Big deal, you know, you know, you know, you're around other people who are striving for that and you're going, you know, there, I made a commission. And it's like, oh, all right. So what? That's just one example. Because I used to work retail. [00:31:07] Speaker B: Yep. That's for me, when I was working at the school, I was like head of the educational program. And I'm like, all it feels is like I have more stress now. [00:31:19] Speaker A: Which is true. Yeah. But I think maybe what they're trying to say is success that once felt good. [00:31:25] Speaker B: Yes. And don't. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Doesn't anymore. [00:31:27] Speaker B: But that would have felt really good before when I hadn't awakened. That would have been a thing. That would be. I would be all over it. But then you've learned that that's not. That doesn't fulfill you. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Okay. I think the next one is very common. Do you want to read that? Another trigger awakening. [00:31:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Burnout that forces you to stop and re. Evaluate. [00:31:50] Speaker A: Yeah. I think a lot of people have career changes when they have their spiritual awakening. [00:31:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:31:58] Speaker A: Especially if they're in a competitive environment. [00:32:01] Speaker B: And even if those changes, like those changes in your career, if you keep the same career, might be full changes. Like now all of A sudden you're running your own business and stuff. But even that eventually will get tested. It's only a matter of time. [00:32:18] Speaker A: Yeah, but I guess the whole point is this causes you to question your life when you're feeling that burnout. [00:32:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:24] Speaker A: And then sometimes you just have a quiet moment where it just clicks. Those aha moments. So that's definitely a trigger too. So the next question is, why are your relationships changing? That's how you can know that you're having a spiritual awakening. And that's because your energetic contracts are shifting. So what would be the first example of that, Emeril? [00:32:51] Speaker B: You stop tolerating dynamics you used to accept. [00:32:55] Speaker A: That sounds like your whole spiritual journey to me. Yeah. You don't compromise. You don't risk your integrity being threatened. [00:33:08] Speaker B: Yep. [00:33:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I think people can probably fill in the blanks on that one. Stop tolerating dynamics you used to accept. I mean, that could even be as simple as relationships. I used to tolerate this for my partner. I can't anymore. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:26] Speaker A: Conversations feel repetitive or misaligned. Yep. Well, that kind of goes with what we just talked about too, doesn't it? Where it just doesn't feel. It doesn't feed you. It doesn't feed your soul anymore. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:33:43] Speaker A: And if. Yeah, okay. And then you might feel pulled to set boundaries that you never set before. We call those benevolent boundaries, don't we? You definitely had to do that. [00:33:55] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:33:58] Speaker A: And then what's the last one? [00:34:00] Speaker B: Some people drift away without conflict. [00:34:02] Speaker A: Now, that's actually very noticeable at some point. And it's kind of nice that it's just so natural. It's like, no foul all of a sudden that you haven't been reaching out to that person, but that other person hasn't been reaching out to you either. [00:34:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:17] Speaker A: And it's okay. It's just that drift. So that is definitely a way to realize that your relationships have changed. It's just so natural. You won't even notice it until Wendy go, oh, well, I haven't thought of that person for a while. Yeah. I hope here she's doing fine. [00:34:37] Speaker B: Once upon a time, that person was, like, always around you, Someone you couldn't even imag. [00:34:41] Speaker A: Imagine not being with. Yeah. What's the next question people have on the spiritual path? [00:34:46] Speaker B: Do I have to leave my old life? And the answer is misaligned structures dissolve or transform Misalignment. [00:34:58] Speaker A: If that's your old life. Yeah. So examples would be questioning your job, your routines, or your lifestyle in general. We talked about job. I think that happens a Lot on the spiritual path. But routines. Routines. You know, some, like your morning routine can change. You might add something like a meditation or a gratitude or a grounding. Like you like to do the old routine of just getting up, slurping the, you know, monster, and having your fruit loops. That's going to change. Probably. I'm using extremes. [00:35:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:39] Speaker A: And lifestyle changes. Absolutely. Absolutely. So you. You will question it, and you probably will want to change. Do you have to leave it? No. You have free will, but you'll probably want to. And it'll get really uncomfortable if the resonance is shifting. Yeah. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:58] Speaker A: What's the next one? [00:35:59] Speaker B: You don't necess necessarily want to quit everything, but something feels off. [00:36:06] Speaker A: Well, I don't know if you quit everything, but eventually certain things just have to go. [00:36:11] Speaker B: Like your whole life. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Well, that would be everything. But it's funny because you let go of things you never thought you would like. The book. The books. Even the books I used to have in Seattle are gone, you know, because they were my old life books. So you'll just kind of do this naturally, I think. I don't think you have to. Don't worry. You don't have to quit everything at once. You'll do it in stages. What's the next one? [00:36:40] Speaker B: You begin adjusting things instead of abandoning them. [00:36:45] Speaker A: I'm not sure what that means. You begin adjusting. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Well, like, for example, I would say, how I look at it is when you're going through in a spiritual awakening, you want to adjust things to be more of who you are instead of just abandoned, abandoning them altogether. So you give it a try. Like, for example, let's say you really love to go biking, so you want to adjust it of like, okay, how can I turn this into, like, still continue to feed me as a passionate thing. If not instead of just abandoning, giving it up altogether. [00:37:25] Speaker A: Okay, so you're trying to nuance it. [00:37:28] Speaker B: Yep. [00:37:28] Speaker A: Okay. All right. And then another thing is, do you have to leave your old life? Well, certain parts evolve and others fall away naturally. That's what we talked about with friends, for example. So that's all normal, too. Okay, now we're getting to the meat and potatoes here. What's the next one? [00:37:52] Speaker B: What is the dark night of the [00:37:53] Speaker A: soul, and what's the simple answer? [00:37:57] Speaker B: Identity collapse. [00:37:58] Speaker A: It's a simple answer and a difficult process. This is a really good thing to know. A dark night of the soul is not, oh, I've had a really bad day. I'm living a dark night of the soul. And then two weeks later, oh, I'M having another bad day. It's a dark night of the soul. No, people. No dark night of the soul. I'm going to read it again. Is identity collapse when you are stripped away of all the falsehood. So I would say there are signs that you're moving toward that. But having a bad day is not a dark night of the soul. [00:38:38] Speaker B: No, it's not. [00:38:39] Speaker A: I want to make that very clear because that is how people treat it when you read about it on the Internet. Okay, so what are some examples that you're moving toward that Identity collapse? [00:38:53] Speaker B: So the first one is loss of motivation or meaning when everything feels lackluster [00:39:00] Speaker A: because your old identity is slowly but surely being stripped away. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Yep. And when life feels like it doesn't have any meaning, it's. I think one thing I have heard that I. I can't agree with about the dark night of the soul. Some people call it the doldrums. And the doldrums are when you have a sailboat and it doesn't have any wind, so you're just kind of waiting it out until the wind picks up. [00:39:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:27] Speaker A: So I do think that it is not the dark night of the soul, but it's one of the signs you're heading toward the dark night, the soul, that. In between doldrums, feeling like nothing's going anywhere, nothing matters, and you don't care about it. [00:39:41] Speaker B: Yep. [00:39:43] Speaker A: Okay. And then emotional heaviness without a clear cause. I go through that constantly. I'm constant. I know I'm moving toward my dark night of the soul. I have. I'm. I've been on a spiritual path for 15 years, people. I have yet not had my full dark night of the soul. I'm still in the process, and I'm okay with that. But I go through the emotional heaviness constantly. That does. Doesn't have a cause. And then I have to rebalance myself and move on. How do you relate to that concept of emotional heaviness without a clear cause? [00:40:20] Speaker B: I would say. When you feel like almost like you're just. Everything is happening so much at all, at once, and there's not necessarily a set thing because it's so much coming in at once. But then you're feeling that huge overwhelm of why am I so? Like, why. Why is this happening? And you can't. You don't have, I guess, a right answer for it, but it's just because of that collapsing of everything. [00:40:55] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think this is important to know because a lot of times people present the spiritual journey as being all love and light and happiness, but no, where there is light, there is equal darkness. [00:41:09] Speaker B: Yep. [00:41:10] Speaker A: So you do feel these heaviness from time to time. The thing is to observe it and not get absorbed in it. Right? [00:41:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:18] Speaker A: And then. Do you want to read the last one? Because that is the absolute truth here. [00:41:23] Speaker B: It's questioning who you are at a core level. [00:41:26] Speaker A: Yep. Doesn't that define identity collapse? Questioning who you are at a core level. [00:41:33] Speaker B: And it's not who you think you are. It's once those masks come down and once you truly connect and tap into yourself. Who are you truly? [00:41:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Because the mask served us well for a long time. So the process of getting to the dark night of the soul is starting to realize. This mask needs to be removed now. This mask needs to be removed now. This. That's what identity collapse is. I built this identity. It's got multiple layers. I like this mask, but it has to go. Because that is exactly what dark night of the soul is. When there are no masks anymore and you are just standing naked between yourself and the highest power. [00:42:16] Speaker B: Yep. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's why most people don't get there in, you know, two easy steps. Right. Okay, so that leads to the next question most people have on the spiritual journey. Do you want to read it? [00:42:30] Speaker B: Why does it feel worse before better? [00:42:35] Speaker A: And the answer is because you're feeling without filters. Because your old emotions are surfacing unexpectedly. Yes, it brings back. It'll bring up the biggest fears you have, won't it? I mean, that's. We're getting into shadow work now, where you have to face the things that you disliked so much about yourself that you push them into your subconscious. And now you're ready to feel the feels. [00:43:07] Speaker B: Yep. Well, one of the things is you'll cry. You'll feel anger or grief. Without a current trigger. [00:43:19] Speaker A: I would rephrase that. Without a current trigger, you can identify because they're talking about kind of generalized once again. You know, I don't know why I'm like this. Why am I crying kind of feeling. Why am I all of a sudden angry? I don't know why. Okay. Your sensitivity increases and things hit deeper. Yes, that's part of the spiritual journey because you're getting more authentic and more in tune with yourself. [00:43:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:44] Speaker A: And you get more gifts come through the Claire's. So you're not just feeling one way. You're feeling through senses that are intuitive. Felt the subtle energies as well as what the five senses you're already familiar with. So you're going to be feeling at a deep level. You are going to be very sensitive. And when you're open and sensitive, then, yep, things do hit deeper. Do you want to read the last one? Because I think this is very important. [00:44:19] Speaker B: You realize what you've been suppressing. [00:44:22] Speaker A: That's what I was talking about. Your subconscious fears. You pushed them aside. You didn't want to look at them in the spiritual path. And especially the dark night of the soul requires you to address them so that they can be harmonized. [00:44:38] Speaker B: It's so interesting because I realize I have a lot of people in my life that I know that they're working on themselves. And one of the things that I've. I've realized that is they do a form of suppressing. It's an emotional suppressing where they. They just. They're not willing to change certain relationships because they, like, see those relationships as being like life relationships. And so they, like, suppress some of the things to not have to face them. And I'm like, that's not gonna work in the long run. [00:45:12] Speaker A: So kind of like what we talked about earlier with a spouse, you might all of a sudden realize that the harmony is no longer there. Okay. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:22] Speaker A: All right. Well, the next question's a biggie, and I think it's an important one. And it is one way, you know, you're on the spiritual journey. You might ask yourself, why am I questioning everything? And it's because you're deconstructing the beliefs that you've inherited. [00:45:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:41] Speaker A: So you're going to revisit beliefs about work, you're going to revisit beliefs about money, you're going to really revisit beliefs about relationships. And of course, you're going to revisit beliefs about spirituality. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Yep. [00:45:56] Speaker A: So very natural. Very natural. And especially if you had a label of what spirituality is supposed to be growing up, you know. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Well, and I mean to be. Keep it real. I mean, all of us, most of us, were indoctrinated into religious beliefs. And then you realize that those religious beliefs were always like a box to keep you in this way of thinking. And as you grow and you become more authentic with yourself. Nobody belongs in a box. But yet you can allow people to have their things because it's a process. So that's something. People have to go through it themselves. But eventually that's why it drops, because it can no longer. You can no longer dim your light, or you can no longer, like, make yourself small to still fit in that box. [00:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And these beliefs are also, like, about money. You know, like you might realize, oh, I was always taught that I had to accumulate as much money as possible and save it. And then you might start to realize, well, how can I help help the community if I'm not spending my money in the community? You know, you'll. Things, things shift. This is a good one. Do you want to read the next one? [00:47:11] Speaker B: Yep. Thanks. You just accept it now. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Feel uncertain and just accept it is in quotes. So it's like I would say tolerated. I used to tolerate this. Now I'm not certain that I want to. [00:47:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:27] Speaker A: And you ask do I actually believe this or was I taught this? [00:47:34] Speaker B: That's a big question right there. [00:47:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And it goes right back to what you talked about, you know, about religion, for example. Everything. Everything. Though the more you go on the spiritual journey, the more you see it that a lot of stories have been told to us that we have been told is the truth or facts. And then you're going to start to understand at a deeper level. It's like, I don't think so. I don't think so. I believed it because you told me that, but I don't think so anymore. Yeah. And there's a. Because. Why? There's a desire to understand truth for yourself. It's like I'm not taking it at face value anymore. I've got to understand this deeply or I've got it. It's got to make sense to me. [00:48:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:26] Speaker A: I think that's why at the begin. Beginning of the spiritual journey, so many people read books. [00:48:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:31] Speaker A: About spirituality. [00:48:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's interesting because ultimately you are trying to make sense of it, but you're coming about it with a logical mind of something that is not so logical. [00:48:45] Speaker A: Yep. We talked about that. And the truth about yourself is not logical. [00:48:49] Speaker B: No. [00:48:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. So what's the next question? [00:48:53] Speaker B: The next question is why don't things matter anymore? And the answer is value system recalibration. [00:49:04] Speaker A: Yep. So an example would be something we talked about earlier. Goals that once drove you feel empty. Like commission. Yeah. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Or titles. [00:49:14] Speaker A: Titles. Oh yeah. That's nothing in my mind. [00:49:17] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:49:19] Speaker A: Yeah. You lose interest in external validation. That would be a title. You know, you don't need to have people tell you how wonderful you are. You don't need it anymore. Okay. [00:49:30] Speaker B: And what's the next one you prioritize? Peace over achievement. [00:49:34] Speaker A: That sounds like you. You really are very peace oriented. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Yes, I must have it. Peace. Otherwise it's a no go. And the funny thing is, before it didn't even face me because I never had peace in my life, so why would I prioritize on something you don't know, present? [00:49:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And this is interesting, you know, because when I think, look at the word peace and then I look at the word achievement. Achievement oftentimes is not cooperative exactly, but peace is. And one of the things that you might notice too is you're just drawn to simplicity. I think that's why a lot of people, they get rid of stuff from their houses. They streamline. It's like I. They just get to the point where they don't want to accumulate anymore. Yeah, simple life, you know, let's just, you know, eat vegetables and some, you know, some things from the co op. And I don't need the, you know, I don't need the gourmand food, you know, for example. Anything else come to mind for you? [00:50:47] Speaker B: I mean, I guess to me it was like a lot because, well, growing up and then especially like growing up and coming out as being gay, I feel that there's a lot of parts where we no longer connect with society. So we start building our own things. And for the most part, because at this point, we're not dealing with anything that is like truly spiritual or solid, grounded information. So it becomes very materialistic. So it was almost like, for me, I was like literally dropping my whole entire life to look at it differently because of the fact that I was so pushed to just see things outside of me that I realized once you start going in, that's not really that important. [00:51:38] Speaker A: Yep, yep, agreed. And that. So here's a really good question because some of these things are questioning, you know, your reality. So the question is, now what am I supposed to do? [00:51:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that is a good question. [00:51:55] Speaker A: And the answer is align your action with the frequency. So whatever resonance, harmonic level you're on right now, align yourself to that. It's going to continue to expand and grow. Accept where you are right now and find the harmony. So how would you do that? Well, take small steps that feel right, even if they're uncertain and unclear. [00:52:21] Speaker B: Also changing routines, habits or environments. That is important that changing routines, especially the habits and the environment, is huge. [00:52:32] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. And we kind of talked about routines and habits earlier. Sometimes environment's hard to change, you know, when you've got a family. But you know, even just rearranging something, you know, putting something that reminds you of who you are now on a shelf, you know, it's like, could be a stone, it could be a little figurine or whatever, you know, a photo that's what they're talking about. The alignment doesn't have to be immediate, but take those steps to start harmonizing. You might act on your intuition in simple ways. You know, that could be sending a message or exploring something. Like we talked about, reading the books, learning more about qigong, whatever it might be. Right. Act on that intuition. You do that a lot. And then moving without needing the full plan. We always want to figure out what's happening at the destination. And we never enjoy the ride, do we? [00:53:35] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:53:36] Speaker A: That's what that's talking about. Okay, so we got about five more minutes. We're going to get through most of these. What's the next question? [00:53:45] Speaker B: Do I need a guide? Which the answer is external support versus external internal authority. [00:53:53] Speaker A: So you're going to be seeking teachers, readers like me, or content that resonates. See, we're getting back to harmonizing, resonating again. So that's perfectly normal. So, yes, I would say you do need a guide. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:09] Speaker A: And even the people, the guides need guides. Yep. [00:54:13] Speaker B: And some guidance feels aligned and some doesn't, and that's okay, too. [00:54:18] Speaker A: And we've talked about how sometimes you find people and a good guidance. Like, let's say the example we always like to use is Abraham Hicks. Abraham Hicks. Eleanor Hicks is a channeler who channels a collective, gives very good spiritual advice. But you know, what we found for a lot of people, and both of us included, she was great for the beginner level, and she serves a purpose. But eventually you're going to move on to a different level. So you might have guidance that feels aligned now, and then later it doesn't. As well as some just plain doesn't at all. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:55] Speaker A: Yeah. And you're going to start trusting your own discernment more. Right. [00:55:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And then last, but not like you take. You take what resonates and leave the rest. [00:55:09] Speaker A: Right. Because we're talking about the harmonizing again. So another question people. People might ask themselves, Am I doing this wrong? I think a lot of people ask that. And the answer is no. There's no fixed path. It's all about you finding the resonance within yourself so that you start attracting the harmonizing frequencies of people and places. Right. That's your own personal journey. So there's no right or wrong. [00:55:36] Speaker B: Yep. It kind of comes with comparing your experience to others. [00:55:40] Speaker A: That's a trap we fall into, though. We're always comparing ourselves to others. So especially I'm sure you did it. I did it at the beginning of my spiritual journey. That person's so advanced. Yeah. But you're. Remember we talked about the little steps earlier. Just keep doing your own little steps and you're going to be fine. I guess it goes with the next one. You might feel like you're behind or missing something. And. Do you want to read the next one? [00:56:08] Speaker B: Yep. Realizing everyone's path looks different. [00:56:12] Speaker A: We just talked about it, didn't we? [00:56:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And letting go of needing to get it right. [00:56:18] Speaker A: I. Because there. What is that on the spiritual. How you. How what is the right thing. [00:56:25] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:56:25] Speaker A: It's all, once again, more individual. So I think that's a good stopping point, don't you? [00:56:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:31] Speaker A: We only have, like, a couple more questions that you could ask yourself on the journey that. That are pretty common, but I think this is a good way to kind of revisit for people what it's like to be new to all this. [00:56:43] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:56:43] Speaker A: And I think what we're seeing consistently is you do you. You're fine. Take the small steps. Realize that people are going to drift out of your life. Places are not going to be feeling comfortable anymore. You're not doing anything wrong. It's just all part of the process. [00:57:00] Speaker B: Yep. Well, and also, you can't, like, your journey is your journey, so there's no way that somebody else can do that for you. So you have to have the patience and just go about it one step at a time. [00:57:15] Speaker A: And that's about the best advice we can give people. You just be you. [00:57:20] Speaker B: Yep. [00:57:21] Speaker A: All right. And we'll see you next week. And thank you to mixed by Bruce for fixing our sound as usual. Thank you, Bruce. We love you. Yes. [00:57:29] Speaker B: Don't forget to share. [00:57:31] Speaker A: And we'll see you next week. [00:57:32] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:57:33] Speaker A: Bye.