Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness.
Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you are likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week.
Join us as we spill the tea on what it's like to wake up to your authentic self.
Hi, I am Lola Singer and I.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: Am with Ameril and today's guest, we have our friend Sonia.
[00:00:34] Speaker C: Hello.
[00:00:37] Speaker B: And before we get started, because we have kind of that guest that has so many things that she does so.
Which are amazing things, I might add.
Can you tell us a little bit about yourself as far as your full name and how can people get a hold of you as far as some of the services that you offer?
[00:00:57] Speaker C: Yeah. So my name is Sonia Jorgensen and one of the things I do is Hooves and Heroes, which is a equine program to help veterans and first responders with emotional regulation.
And that's hoovesandheroes.org and you just spell and all the way out. And Heroes has two E's.
That tends to be missed sometimes. And then Resonance Healing is my healing services.
Reiki and energy healing and psychic medium type services and that's resonance-healing.com and then I also do wellness retreats and leadership retreats and help people just really connect with themselves and I guess their manifestation of their heart's desires and that's through space. Spirittospirit.org and it's a number two, so spirit number two. Spirit.org so like Emeril said, lots of hats.
[00:01:57] Speaker A: The reason Sonya is on welcome to Woo Woo Ville is because she's one of those people who. Who, sorry, the cats. The cat's on the decided that she's making meowing noises, that her gift woke up at a very early age and she's had to walk the fine line of working professionally. She's not only a nurse, but a manager of nurses for a long time.
And how do you walk that fine line between knowing that you have these intuitive abilities and yet being a workplace environment where you don't advertise that. Right, right. You utilize it, but you don't advertise.
[00:02:41] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: And then on top of that, she has such a giving nature. Anybody who goes into nursing usually does that. Her nonprofit Hooves and Heroes is just amazing because you don't even charge the vets to come commune with the horses and it's super healing for them. Right?
[00:02:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:02:59] Speaker A: Emotionally and even physically, right?
[00:03:01] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: And it's vets and first responders, too. We don't want to forget them.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: So she's in Stanwood, Washington. And if you know anybody who's suffering through PTSD based on their serve, how they've served others who might want to commune with the horses as therapy, please contact Sonia. I don't even know where to begin with Sonia. Well, why don't we begin. Why don't we begin with you being young?
[00:03:28] Speaker C: Begin at the beginning being aware of your.
[00:03:30] Speaker A: Of your gifts, your psychic gifts.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: How will you. How did you become aware of your gifts?
[00:03:34] Speaker C: You know, the first really awareness I think I had, I was tapping into the gifts, I think, at a young age without really realizing it, just some of the intuitive stuff. But when I. My first actual noticing of it, I was maybe 11.
My kind of. To set the stage, we're at my grandmother's house when my mom was living there briefly for a while and my sister was also living there.
I was 11, so my sister was 14 at the time. And so she was out to the movies with friends. And the agreement was, you know, they could all go co ed and the older brother of one of her friends was driving them to the movies and back.
We were at my grandma's house and her phone rang. And as soon as it rang, I just instantly knew who was calling and why they were calling.
I knew that my sister had been in a car accident and they were calling from the hospital to let us know. And it just hit me like lightning was super fast. And so the phone's ringing. So my mom and I are both kind of converging on the phone at the same time. And I picked it up first, but she saw me. I didn't even put it to my ear. I just picked it up and handed it to her. And I said, laura's been in a car accident.
And so my mom kind of furrows her brow like, you know, okay. But then she answers the phone and turns out it's one of the parents saying, my sister's been in a car accident, but she was going to be okay. She had to have some stitches, you know, and that she needed to come pick her up, so on and so forth. So, you know, off they go.
And it was sort of that first seeing how my mom responded where I had had this heavy intuitive hit and just responded to it, just blurted it out. And, you know, growing up in a Methodist Protestant household, these things are not talked about or necessarily condoned or they're typically considered from a negative source. So I got a Real serious side eye because of that encounter. And then we never spoke of it again.
And then I would get these little hits. And so for the rest of the summer, when I was at my grandmother's house, I was like her own personal caller id. And I'm gonna date myself to say this is, you know, pre cell phone and pre caller id.
But the. Every time the phone rang, I knew who was on the other end of the line. And I would just sort of. I'd be down on the floor playing with my Barbies or watching TV or whatever, and I would just call it out.
The phone would ring and I look at my grandma and be like, aunt Marilyn's on the line.
[00:06:00] Speaker B: And.
[00:06:00] Speaker C: And my grandmother would just look at me like, what is going on?
It was just very bizarre.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: So that makes you claircognizant, doesn't it? Yeah, you just have an awareness.
[00:06:09] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. So it's just this strange, like I had because of the. And I. When I look back on it, I think because of the connection that I had with my sister's event, that kind of the shock and trauma of that, that some link was formed through that phone line. I don't get it. But there was some sort of linkage because then after that, all summer long, it was just whenever the phone rang, I knew who it. And I knew when I didn't know them. Like if it was a telemarketer or something, I'd be like, there's a stranger that I'm not aware of actually would know that that's somebody I don't know. It was very bizarre.
And then after that summer, the next time I went back to her house, I was curious if it would keep happening. It stopped. It was very strange.
So I would have kind of weird encounters like that.
Typically what I got was sensations and feelings, like feelings of dread or whatever if something big was about to change.
[00:06:59] Speaker A: Claire Sentient as well.
[00:07:00] Speaker C: Exactly.
And my biggest one is inner vision, inner sight.
So we've got a bunch of Claire's sort of mixed together.
[00:07:10] Speaker A: Well, that's the beauty for people to know who listen to welcome to Woowooville. We all have a little.
It's like going to the salad bar.
[00:07:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:21] Speaker A: You might have a little of this and a lot of that and you might not have any of that.
[00:07:26] Speaker C: Right. And so it's really about understanding how your information comes through, what symbolism you carry and those types of things. So, yeah, it's the big one that I remember as being sort of pivotal in my life was in high school, I think I was a freshman. I think I was a sophomore.
And because I wasn't driving yet, but. So I was still riding the bus. But I think it was sort of at that age where I was kind of over it, so I must have been a sophomore.
I was down at the bus stop.
I didn't want to go to school that day. I had this huge sense of dread. I told my parents, I don't want to go to school. Typical parent is like, are you sick? No. Then get your ass on the bus. Right down to the bus stop I go. And I'm standing there with my friend. And the whole time I'm like, I just got a bad feeling today. Something's off today. I don't want to be here.
And as we got on the bus and we're getting closer to the school, that sensation gets bigger and bigger to the point of almost anxiety or a panic attack. And I'm, like, literally looking at the emergency exit at the back of the bus. Like, I wonder if I can hop off at the next red light. Like, I just don't want to be here. And I guess I was so uncomfortable, I even mentioned it to the girl I was sitting next to on the bus, that this was really uncomfortable for me and something bad was going to happen. And I didn't know what it was, but I didn't like it.
And as soon as we got to the corner that we turn to the school, so we're basically there.
My bus driver slams on her brakes. And as soon as she does, this weird sensation I'm carrying just pops. And it's almost like you're in some sort of a vortex. And then you're suddenly just slammed into present day.
And all of a sudden, I'm in it. Whatever I was dreading is now unfolding. And so she slides her window open, and she's yelling at the bus driver coming towards us, which I can't see at that moment.
And she's telling her. She's like, back up, back up, back up. Your back wheels are on her.
And I went, what?
And so then, you know, she gets her to back up or whatever. My bus driver's, like, on the radio. There's all this commotion and chaos, and she's like, I'm just gonna take the kids and drop them off, and then, you know, we'll worry about it. So we drive past, and all I can see is this girl wearing a backpack, and she's face down. I can't see her face, but she's laying, like, just kind of just outside the crosswalk area or whatever in the crosswalk area.
So we get dropped off at the school and so it's all this commotion. But what happens is as I'm. As I'm departing the bus, I feel myself leaving my body. Like I'm having this big out of body experience.
But I can hear the girl that I was sitting next to on the bus, she like, right as before we get to the school, I guess back up again, couple seconds before we get to the school, she looks at me with just shock and horror and she goes, you did this.
You made this happen. This is your fault.
And growing up in a house where this wasn't really talked about, I didn't know if she was right or not. I'm like, is that true?
[00:10:26] Speaker A: A lot for you to absorb.
[00:10:27] Speaker C: Yeah. And I'm, well, What am I, 14ish? 15? Something like that. So I was like, I don't. Maybe I did.
I don't know.
And so that was, you know, worrisome. And then all of a sudden I have this out of body experience where now, I mean, I'm functional. Like I'm walking to a vaguely recall getting to a classroom, but that's about it as far as being present.
But I'm having this whole other experience where I watch this girl and I'm an observer on the outside, by the way, just not. I'm like, I'm in it, but I'm not. I feel like if you, you know, when you watch this, the Scrooge movies, and he's kind of going on his journeys through his past, present and future Christmases with the ghosts of Christmas Past or whatever, and he's standing there and he's in it like an IMAX theater. But they're not responding to him being there, right? So it sort of had that sensation to it. Like I was in it, but I wasn't an active player.
And so I'm. I'm watching this whole scene where she is met by this really kind and gentle man. And he's so sweet and he's so patient and she's very confused about what's going on. And he said, it's time for you to go. She's like, go where? What's going on? You know, just this confusion.
And they end up. And he's very like, he's not forcing anything, he's just with her.
And she goes with her body to the hospital and you can see them working on her unsuccessfully.
And then they keep the body there and they wait for her mom and her sister to arrive to say goodbye and do kind of a final viewing and an opportunity to be with her. And she's there with them in spirit, as is this gentleman. And then when she realizes that she's gone and there's no real hope of her reoccupying her body, she looks at him and she says, okay, I'm ready to go now. And then just like that, the connection is lost and I'm back in my body.
And through that whole thing, I'm like asking questions like, who is this girl? Do I know her? No, I don't know her. Where's her dad? Is he present? Like, well, he's present, but he's not. That's weird. What does that mean? Right? Like, I'm trying to, like, I have all these weird, like, I know things, but I don't have answers for them.
And like, I saw her leaving for school that day, the conversation they'd had the day before, like, I was, I could see her as a full person.
And of course this was very traumatic. I get home that night, I get home from school that night and what do you do? You call your mom, right? Like you're freaking out. Of course I call my mom just to try to like, get my head around something like this that I had no experience of. And you know, bless her heart, my poor mother, she has no experience of this either. And so her answer is just make sure whatever it is, it's not of the devil.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Oh my goodness.
[00:13:28] Speaker C: Right?
[00:13:29] Speaker A: That's like virtually no surprise.
[00:13:30] Speaker C: I'm like, that doesn't help. But I was like, you know, now as an adult, sarcastically, I can look back and be like, well, I don't know, next time I have a chat with him, I'll ask.
[00:13:40] Speaker B: So I guess something comes up right away.
Growing up and having. Because I'm assuming like this, obviously it's a really different experience and it's a very shocking experience.
How, like, what advice can you give to those that I guess are going through it as far as their nervous system and how to calm that down and how to, how to center so that you're back to yourself and you're not when you're, when this is happening? Because obviously you can't just like check out from it. But what would be good coping mechanisms? Like what? For example, like you said at that age you want to call your mom. Obviously your mom didn't come with any solutions.
But then again, moms don't come with.
[00:14:21] Speaker C: A lot of solutions.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Your average 14 year old doesn't really have good coping skills to begin With.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: That's straight too.
[00:14:26] Speaker C: No. And, you know, because of the work that I do, like with Hips and Heroes, I tap into the nervous system quite a bit and do a lot of that kind of work of nervous system regulation. And back then I didn't have these tools. But, yes, now I would say that if you. And this might sound super simple, but the power of breath, as, you know, doing breath work is huge. Breathing in it, breathing into it, breathing through it, and finding a calm, centered place where you can hold both worlds together, where you can be present and aware that you're occupying a body, that you're taking up space and time. You know, you can be present and hold this experience and allow it to unfold in front of you without holding judgment at the same time, knowing that you're safe and that this is unfolding and be an observer of it, you know, an interactor as well, depending on where you are in that. Like in this one, I was an observer, but in other scenarios where people are actually interacting on that level, allowing that interaction, but withholding judgment of it, knowing that you're safe and protected, calling on your guides, you know, calling on your shields, whatever you feel you need to kind of hold you in that space safely is huge. Now, I didn't have these tools back then, but being able to help people that might be having these experiences to say, okay, I am occupying a body and I do take up space like I am made of matter. However, I'm also spirit and I'm energy and I'm having a spiritual, energetic experience right now. And that may or may not be happening in my body, but yet the.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: Breath will keep you grounded and in the ground.
[00:16:09] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: And I've even heard several times that it's even more relaxing to breathe in and then breathe out longer on the exhale.
So that's probably hard to remember in the moment.
[00:16:21] Speaker C: Right, right.
[00:16:24] Speaker A: I think this is good advice because there's people out there who've had paranormal experiences, don't know how to make sense of it. If you can just try to, say, realize, like, I like the way you said it. You know, it's. I'm on Earth, but it's part of my spiritual experience as well.
And one of the things I was taught early on, because I was living with a housemate who was channeling and he was channeling some stuff that wasn't.
It wasn't benevolent. Let's just say that. And one of the things I kept. When. When that happened, that I kept hearing in my head that I'd heard From someone else earlier was, you are the most powerful being in your dimension.
So the human being. We are the most powerful being in our dimension.
So if you can keep that in mind, you're not susceptible to what, lower. Yeah. Fourth dimension dimensional beings. Like, for example, ghosts, for example.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Also, I think that.
And would.
I would like your, like your opinion on this. But when things like that happen, they're just so paranormal and stuff, it's like we always have that guidance that even though at that time we're not thinking about, but it is working to help us immediately. When you went with that story, it really kind of like brought these memories. When my dad passed, he passed in a work accident. So I got a call to work. It was a Tuesday, like, just like any Tuesday.
When I got the news, all I heard was your dad was in a car accident, but involved the train.
And so immediately I was out. I had checked out of my body. I was not even. And so all I kept thinking was like, let him be okay. Let him be okay. Let him be okay. And I get in my car and I turn on the car and the first song that comes on is a song that says, when I leave this world, I want you to remember me by. And I start bawling my eyes out. And then I have to grasp and capture myself together to be there for my mom. Because even though she didn't know what had happened, it's like I didn't know that what had fully happened.
[00:18:32] Speaker C: Right.
[00:18:32] Speaker B: So I was waiting for that call. And that called confirmed everything that I already knew. Yeah. But it's so hard. And it was like, again, I was. And this is me as an adult too, but I mean, as an adult, not have experienced really that full essence of it. So what I guess what I'm trying to say by that is that there's not really a set age where your gifts can all of a sudden come in, where paranormal things can really turn out. But like you said, I think it's such a great advice to be centered and to be pretty much in the present.
[00:19:05] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Because I should have never drove that day, but I did. I drove. I don't even know. I don't even remember driving how you got there exactly.
[00:19:16] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
[00:19:16] Speaker A: And you've probably heard that a lot.
[00:19:18] Speaker C: Oh, yes. Yeah, absolutely. And it is. I mean, you bring up a good point that, you know, you get these intuitive hits and first breathing into it and getting an understanding of where is the information coming from.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:34] Speaker C: Do I trust the source staying, you know, setting before these things even happen. You kind of have to set up a playbook for yourself, in a sense. Like, what am I willing to interact with and not willing to interact with.
[00:19:46] Speaker A: That's a good point.
[00:19:47] Speaker C: What is my.
What's my. My code word? Right? What's my phrase that it's like to get grounded, to call in my spirit team? You know, when I. When I'm not sure if, is this a shapeshifter, is this something I can trust? Or do I need one of my guides or my higher self to intervene and let me know if it's safe to have a conversation with this thing or not. Set ground rules about your space, like, protect your personal space, whether that's your room or your home, about what is and is not allowed through that barrier, at what vibrational level. Some people work really well with those lower vibrations, and a lot of their work is to help those lower vibrations start to transmute or transform.
[00:20:27] Speaker A: And that's beautiful, because some of them want to.
[00:20:29] Speaker C: Yeah, that's beautiful work.
I choose to work at my vibration or above. That's just my choice. When I encounter vibrations lower than mine that come through, I remind them of the ground rules. And it's. The interesting thing about the universe is they have to follow the rules, at least in my experience. And that's been very interesting to observe. So, like, I always joke that when I watch these ghost hunting shows on tv, and they're like, oh, this ghost is just wreaking havoc on our lives and we can't get it out of our house. And, like, did you tell it to leave? Like any house guest, if they're disruptive, kick them out like you would. It wouldn't make for a very good TV show. The show would be over in five minutes. But you have, as a homeowner, the right to set a boundary and say, you're not welcome here. You must leave, period.
[00:21:17] Speaker A: But that applies to everything, because I was telling Amaral yesterday that drum circle. Oh, by the way, we do a drumming circle at Sonia's place.
[00:21:25] Speaker C: One more layer of things I do.
[00:21:27] Speaker A: Yes, I'm part of that.
That someone asked me about me working with fairies, and I looked at her and I gave her an answer. You could tell she didn't want to hear me say.
I said, I have an agreement with the elementals. I leave them alone, they leave me alone.
And I think she wanted to frolic with the fairies. You know, her face fell. But it's like, I don't have time to mess around with because some of them, they're very, very naughty.
That's that's what I set up here in the cabin. You guys do your thing.
[00:22:05] Speaker C: Just leave me out of it.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: So, yes, you can negotiate.
[00:22:10] Speaker C: You can. You can negotiate your terms. And I think it's important to remember that. That you have control over your gifts. If, you know, when this thing happened for me, when I was, you know, younger and I actually went on a journey and I. Not realizing that's what was happening at the time, but I journeyed and I was able to meet her spirit with her spirit again and get a good image of who she was. And.
And I went to her funeral and I saw a picture of her and I was like, okay. It confirmed what had come through for me, which, if you don't know, the human mind can't make up faces.
[00:22:40] Speaker A: Oh, no, I didn't know that.
[00:22:41] Speaker C: Yeah, we have to have seen that face or those features before to build that up.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: So when you're an artist and you're drawing someone based on someone you might have seen on the bus.
[00:22:50] Speaker C: Right, right.
So when I saw her face, and I'd never seen that face before before, and then when I go to her funeral and there's a picture of her and that's the face I saw, that was confirmation for me. And her dad was there. He was in the military and he was overseas, which explained the dad's here, but he's not here thing. Like, I don't feel any discord, like, no divorce or anything, but he's not here. That's so bizarre. And I had to just let it go. So that explained that, you know, and again, I was kind of getting these. These confirmations and synchronicities, but that was when I chose to shut it down.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: Understandable. That must have been so traumatic for you and so confusing.
[00:23:26] Speaker C: Very confusing. And my frustration level grew because I felt like, why tell me when I can't intervene? There was nothing I could do to help her.
[00:23:35] Speaker A: You would feel helpless.
[00:23:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm like, there's nothing I could do to intervene. There's nothing I could do.
[00:23:40] Speaker A: All you did was witness. It wasn't really like you helped her connect with the man.
[00:23:43] Speaker C: No, he was already. He came in. He was already.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: So it wasn't psychopomping?
[00:23:47] Speaker B: No, no.
[00:23:48] Speaker C: Interesting. It was necromancy. It was necromancier. Ish esque. But I was just present. And I don't. And again. And I didn't know why I was being shown that either. Like, why am I here? What is going. You know, and it was coming to.
[00:24:03] Speaker A: Me right now with you. Being a nurse, maybe you're just holding space for her.
[00:24:08] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because nurses are so observing and witnessing. And as an adult, when I look back on it, I got.
[00:24:15] Speaker A: I just got chills. Yeah, you were just holding space to keep her as calm as possible under these confusing circumstances.
[00:24:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:24:22] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. I just. Yeah.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: So one of the things that I was just going to say, since we're already on the topic anyway, I love it. So how.
How do you come from that experience, which is really like shocking and everything, to now all of a sudden, like, holding ghost conferences?
[00:24:37] Speaker C: I know, right?
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Like, how do you transition from that.
[00:24:40] Speaker A: Wanting no part of it anymore?
[00:24:42] Speaker C: No part of it anymore.
[00:24:43] Speaker A: I'm going to try to wipe it from my memory.
[00:24:45] Speaker C: And now I teach at ghost conferences.
And that is exact. Actually, that is the exact tie in. So I'm glad you brought that up. The reason I teach at ghost conferences is because I did not have what I needed at that age. Oh, I did not have.
[00:24:58] Speaker A: Perfect.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: That is absolute perfect.
[00:25:00] Speaker C: I didn't have someone to go to with these experiences and these questions. I didn't have an understanding or a knowledge. And so when I started attending these ghost conferences and realized that people were all sort of on a seeker path at some level, and there were those that were willing to support and come alongside others, I'm like, okay, yeah, this is cool.
So the classes I teach are about getting in touch with your intuitive senses and how to ground shield and protect yourself and how to connect with animal spirit guides. And so I do some shamanic journeying work too. And you know, just how to kind of start to get those early navigation systems in place.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: If someone was interested in that, would they be through your resonance healing?
[00:25:39] Speaker C: Yeah, that would be resonance healing.
And I typically attend. There's two ghost conferences I typically attend. There's the Oregon Ghost Conference down in Seaside, which is huge and I love it. It's a lot of fun. And then there's the Port Gamble Ghost Conference.
So Oregon, the Oregon one just happened. It's usually over spring break. It's usually March, end of March.
And then Port Gamble Ghost Conference is usually the 9th ish of night, 1011 of November. It's usually that 2nd, 1st or 2nd weekend of November in Port Gamble. And that town is so cool.
It's a really small town that is a company owned town. And so they've been able to preserve a bunch of the old historic buildings.
So there's a lot of ghosts. There's a lot of ghosts in Port Gamble, so. And They've become my friends. Many of them have become good friends.
[00:26:25] Speaker A: And then we had an interesting little thing with the ghost, because I drew spirit guide.
[00:26:29] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:26:30] Speaker A: So she comes to me. I draw the spirit guide. It's a farmer. He's just, like, the coolest farmer. Super chill. All this great advice of what to do with her land.
[00:26:39] Speaker C: Right.
[00:26:40] Speaker A: And then what happened afterward? People started seeing him in your barn?
[00:26:45] Speaker C: They did, yeah. So I've got a few different ghosts that live on my property as well. And so they're always fun. And I have people that ask me every once in a while. They're like, do you have. And I said, yeah. They're like, okay. And then I think Michelle actually housed that for me recently. She's like, is there anything I need to know about? I'm like, well, the old lady likes to play piano. So if you hear piano in the middle of the night, it's her. And the young boy likes to open and close doors. So sometimes it's the door to the outside, so you just have to remind him to close it. And she's like, oh, God.
So I have some resident ghosts on my property, and the one that you drew, that helps me figure out how to take care of the property and what to build and what to do.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: He's a very, very savvy guy.
[00:27:22] Speaker C: And I have a native gentleman on the property as well.
I have an indigenous gentleman that's there, too, so he helps me with a lot. So.
[00:27:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: So people may have spirits around them they're not aware of. And I guess one of the nice things we're trying to tell you here is they can be very benevolent.
[00:27:39] Speaker C: Yes.
They really can. And I think it's. One of the things I teach is ethics around connecting with spirit. And in that, I do remind people. I'm like, they're not all from the turn of the century. They're not. You know, it's not always. You know, people are dying every day. And I don't mean to be morbid, but there are spirits walking this earth of all shapes and sizes and types, of all ages.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: I'll be morbid for you. Every seven seconds, someone dies.
[00:28:09] Speaker C: There you go. Every seven seconds, a new ghost is made. So.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: No, because some of them don't stay earthbound.
[00:28:15] Speaker B: That's true, too.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: But some of them go straight back to.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: They just lose their life. Let's just put it that way. Every seven seconds in the world, somebody loses.
[00:28:22] Speaker C: Somebody is done with this plane. Yeah. So.
So, yeah, I have this joke about, you know, going up to a ghost and talking to them like they're from the 1800s. And they're like, it's me, Brittany. And, yeah.
[00:28:35] Speaker A: Whoops.
[00:28:38] Speaker C: But, yeah, I actually had an experience where I was at St Ignatius in Colfax, which is an old hospital that they do ghost tours in. And I was in this room, and what I was getting was in a foreign language. And I'm like, I don't know what they're saying. Like, I hear them, but I don't know what it is. And so I kind of started to. The other gal that was with me, I started repeating some of the words I was hearing. I'm like, are these words like, what? She's like, yeah, that's German.
German immigrants worked here in the building. And so that's probably where you're getting it from, because we were in the basement where most of the employees were and lived. And I'm like, okay, so these are the former employees, and this is some of the language. So they were speaking German. I'm like, I don't know German. Wiener schnitzel. Like, I don't know German. My language in German is like, this big. I was like, oh, shit. So it was this. Like, I'm hearing them, but I. They don't. They're speaking to me in their language, and I can't. I can't translate. Right. So what we were talking about is like, okay, I'm going to learn some basic German and then go back and have a better conversation with them.
[00:29:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, that'd be interesting. But that's part of your ethics, too.
[00:29:46] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Let's meet them.
[00:29:48] Speaker C: Meet them where they are. Like, I don't expect them to know English, and maybe they do. I don't. You know, I didn't ask. I was just hearing them talk, and I'm like, well, shoot. Okay. It's gonna be different.
[00:29:57] Speaker A: Okay. So we talked about how there's spirits on your. On your land, but let's talk about the beautiful energy of your equine healing facility.
Yes. Because there's spirit.
Spirits in many ways there.
Not just earthbound souls. Right?
[00:30:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Everybody that drives on that property, whether they know they're connected or not, you know, of all walks of life, they go, it's so peaceful here.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:30:26] Speaker C: You drive on the property and you just go, ah.
And there's an element of that I would like to think that I helped infuse, but there's an element of that that was there when I arrived.
When you're an empath and you're Home shopping, it's very difficult because you can.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: Feel people's family traumas walk into the.
[00:30:48] Speaker C: Residuals of what was there before.
And some of it can be easily cleared, and some of it's stuck to the walls like glue. So you kind of have to decide what you're willing to deal with.
But when I first got there, when we were. When we were checking the place out, I walked towards the grove, towards the trees. And you know, real estate agents get really nervous when you wander away. And I was like, I'm not going far, and I promise not to touch anything. I just need to be alone. Like, again, when you're sensitive and you're trying to reach out, then you start collecting everything around you. I didn't need her and everybody else getting in the way. I needed to be with the land and really tapped into the land. And the trees were the ones that really started talking to me. And the trees were like, you need to be here. We need you here.
And they were so welcoming. And they were. The other spirits on the land were like, yes, we need you to be here.
[00:31:39] Speaker A: So you could hear the nature spirits.
[00:31:41] Speaker C: Yes, the nature spirits, the ghost of the ghosts that lived there that were prior meat suit occupants. And the trees were all very much like, yes, you need to be here.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: And I just would like to say as a sidebar, when I visited the place and Sonya took me to the grove the first time, the nature spirits left me a gift. Yes, I was walking out. I mean, it's your typical gloomy gray day in the Pacific Northwest.
And when you walk into that grove, you do feel the magic.
It's a circular grove of trees, literally.
And you can feel that it's got an elevated energy.
And I was like, yeah, great, great, great. I really want to do the drum circle here. When you were showing me around. And then when on the way out in this gray day where you shouldn't have seen anything, there was this, like, orangey coral colored stone sitting on top of, like, a mound of rock that everything else was gray. And it was so obvious to me. And I go, sonia, look at this.
And she was like, look. We were both like, that shouldn't be there.
And then you heard. I think you were the one who heard that the Sasquatch had left that for me to follow so that I would do the drumming circle there.
[00:33:04] Speaker C: And then we've also found pink rose quartz back there, just randomly, which you.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: Wouldn'T think so because it's just your typical.
[00:33:10] Speaker C: Yeah. And then I found muddy environment.
We found a snake Ring with a moonstone eye.
[00:33:17] Speaker A: How cool is that?
[00:33:18] Speaker C: That was like half buried.
It just. It was just weird.
[00:33:21] Speaker A: They keep bringing. It's a. Teleporting. Yeah, they're teleporting.
[00:33:24] Speaker C: It's so weird. Yeah.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: So along with all those magical beings.
[00:33:30] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:33:31] Speaker B: We have living magical beings that you have really focused on. And I really want to take the time for you to fully explain. So horses. Yeah, and the horses, obviously, they're used for tooth.
Like for the. The healing of the veterans and first responders, as well as for the leadership training.
[00:33:52] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:33:52] Speaker B: So where do horses come in for you and what have you learned from it and what is it that you would like to share with people? What horses are really about that we don't see as just seeing them.
[00:34:05] Speaker C: So horses are these very magical beings. Very.
Of all of the animals on the planet, and maybe I'm a little biased, but these are animals whose soul is at an elevated. Such an elevated level that there is a contract between horses and humans that has been in place for thousands and thousands of years. And the horses have chosen to come alongside humans to help us elevate, to help us move into the next dimension. And that was from, you know, be suburban all the way up to being in partnership with us now. Like in all of the stages that we have been together, there's been this agreement in part partnership between humans and horses. And their part of the contract has really just been to show up for us and help us move into that whatever our next age is.
And they have such strong ties to both the spiritual realm and the physical realm. They are really anchored in both. And it's. You know, some animals are much more spiritual, some animals are much more earthbound and grounded, but these guys have both pretty strongly in balance.
And when you first encounter a horse, if you haven't before, there's. You will feel that sensation when they look at you. So when you make eye contact with a horse, they see through you. They see deep inside that they connect with your soul. And that can be unnerving for people.
[00:35:41] Speaker A: Imagine for some of the veterans.
[00:35:42] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah, it can be very unnerving. And they can pull emotions, deeply hidden and deeply boxed up emotions out of you.
And that.
That gift that they have is obviously very beneficial to us as humans because it gives us an opportunity to really examine those deeper, darker parts of ourselves that need movement, that have become stagnant and they need to shift.
And through that, then we have created some of these partnerships with the work I do with leadership and then with the first responders and veterans and things to really lean into their example of how we create balance and rhythm in our lives, how we can heal some of these stuck places, how we can connect with others. They have great examples of how to show up in community, whether that's tribe, whether that's co worker, team or herd. How do we come together in community? Because horses have done it for thousands and thousands of years. And so we lean into that example of how to be healthy and sustainable community through how they do it in their, their collective shared leadership and approach to life.
But there's really something more, there's something spiritual that they can see through the veil and they can walk in both worlds at all times. Yeah.
[00:37:03] Speaker A: I think that's why horse and totem animals is always associated with spiritual freedom.
[00:37:09] Speaker C: Yes, always.
[00:37:11] Speaker B: So I can definitely share an experience as far as I was part of a one day retreat that you put together and I was very scared of horses because I've never been around horses. I never really got to grow up around them. So after we started our first original just going through, when I walked with the horses in between the horses and they started approaching us, I felt for the lack of word, naked because I felt like I was seen for who I was for the first time. But at the same time it was almost like it was very, in a way very like it made me cry because I felt so vulnerable.
But at the same time it's interesting because the first thing you feel is the vulnerability of being exposed. Exposed.
[00:38:01] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:01] Speaker B: But then the horses come to you and then you feel their love and their support and it totally shifts the like literally I felt like I'm like I'm gonna run away and then it's like all of a sudden like the horses come and then I'm like, I've never felt so much love and support.
[00:38:21] Speaker C: Yes. Protection.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:38:23] Speaker C: And it's from one second of being so vulnerable and I feel like that's the visceral fear response that we have is almost. There's a subconscious like, I'm going to be seen. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, yes, they're big animals and they're swift and you know, but there's also just. And, but that's also part of their allure for us as humans. But there's this hesitation from people because you can't hide shit from a horse.
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:49] Speaker C: And there's this deep knowing that we seem to carry whether we've been around horses or not. But the beauty of it, you hit it perfectly. I was naked and seen and at the exact, like, immediately on its heels, I was loved and I was protected. Yeah. So it's a. I see you and I love you. How often do we get that with humans? Where we are almost never where we are 100% seen. Where we are seen fully in our full aspect, in all layers of ourselves without the masks. Our true authentic self, including those dark spaces that even we aren't willing to acknowledge. Horses can see it because they can see through that veil. And so they see our true essence, and they connect with our true essence. And they. And they love us still. They love us. I don't want to say anyway, or regardless, it's not even that they love us whole and complete, which is very moving because we don't get that from humans, that truly unconditional love.
And so when.
When I see people who have had a lot of pain and suffering in their lives connect with horses and get that, I see those places and I love you.
When they get that, they're just obviously overcome with emotion. It can be overwhelming.
[00:40:05] Speaker B: I thought what was overwhelming is the fact that there was emotions that I hadn't even, like, brought up myself. I didn't even know they were there.
[00:40:13] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:40:13] Speaker B: And then all of a sudden, I'm like, just full on crying because all these emotions are coming out, and I know where they're coming out from.
But yet it's more about, like, the processing of those emotions and then allowing them to come out and then being willing. Willing to sit on those emotions. Because the truth about emotions is that even the most wounded emotions, they happen because at that point, we didn't understand how to deal with them.
[00:40:41] Speaker C: Right.
[00:40:41] Speaker B: And they created a trauma, and now they're surfacing that because they're ready to be healed.
[00:40:46] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:40:47] Speaker B: And so one of the things is, what is the. Like, for example, you know, we.
[00:40:55] Speaker C: We.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: What we do for a living, for lack of a better word, really ties something. Sometimes it ties up with the things we start doing that we really truly enjoy. Because we say, I love doing this, but if I could do it this way, I would enjoy it more.
[00:41:09] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: So I think that's where your leadership training comes in. Because I know that you were in charge before, like, the 3D life.
[00:41:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:17] Speaker B: You were in charge of the nurses.
[00:41:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:20] Speaker B: But now you get to completely switch it around is like, use the leadership skills, but use them in such a different format where there's such a. So much more impactful.
[00:41:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:30] Speaker B: How would you say? Like that transition arc.
[00:41:33] Speaker C: Yeah. So I went into nursing, so when I.
I've always Kind of had healer tendencies. And we were kind of talking about this earlier that I started out in the military as a medical corpsman, and then that kind of naturally led me to becoming a nurse when I got out of the military, and my natural leadership skills started to show, and they started to peek out from behind the curtain. And so I was put into leadership roles pretty early in my career. And that was sort of the progression, the natural progression in my career of.
Of going into these leadership positions and then realizing through this, towards the end of that period of time, that to truly be authentic, I needed to step out of that system and help these people from a different place and help train leaders on how to show up authentically and really tap into these different aspects of leadership and how to show up with their emotional intelligence intact and help develop that emotional intelligence. So there was kind of this movement from being in that structured healthcare world with insurance and, you know, doctor's offices and all of that, into moving into this space of saying, I can be of a better impact if I come at this from a more authentic place for me, and to really help people develop that personal leader inside.
And whether that's, you know, you're using it at work or you personally are just really working on advancing that side of yourself to understand how we show up in spaces, what the internal narrative we have about who we are and who other people are, how we respond in conversation, how we foster healthy communication, and that I can really support that with the horses, because my success in leadership all those years and the reason I sort of started out so early in it and kept going through my career, really was partly my intuitive gifts, but also partly what the horses had taught me. It had less to do with any formalized degree that I'd received and more to do with the leadership that horses had taught me.
[00:43:39] Speaker A: Okay, can we kind of backtrack a little on that? Because I'm kind of looking at this as someone who may not have heard this before, and I think the piece in the puzzle that maybe we haven't talked about yet is that each horse has a function in the herd.
[00:43:54] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:43:54] Speaker A: And that that can be transferred to business communities.
[00:43:59] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:43:59] Speaker A: So can you touch upon that some of the basic roles that some of the horses play?
[00:44:05] Speaker C: Absolutely. Thank you for asking me to clarify that. So in a herd, horses share leadership. They don't have the hierarchical diamond formation that humans typically function over where they're under, which is a single leader at the top or an alpha or the CEO. Right. There's. We kind of have one Person that holds all the cards and then everything sort of shuffles down beyond below that. And that we have different roles and ranks within that based on our job role and the expectations of that role and the training that we've received. So that sort of dictates how that reporting structure goes with horses. They have, it's more holistic, it's round or diamond shaped. It's. It's more complete in that there's multiple leaders in the herd and those leaders are chosen based on their skill set. And I say chosen specifically. It's the herd that chooses the leaders. You can step forward and you can kind of put your hat in the ring, but ultimately the herd decides if they're going to follow you. Yeah. So there's multiple leaders in a herd and those multiple leaders all share. There's this interdependence in the team of how they distribute the workload, essentially. And we have, in the system that I designed, I kind of labeled the four primary leadership archetypes. I guess there's a navigator, which is what we kind of think is the quintessential leaders. The person sort of with their eye on the horizon and that one leads from the front so that everybody knows where they're going. Right. Somebody has to be a direction setter. Right. And then there's the leader at the back, that's the protector. This leader really holds the container, helps, you know, really helps to provide momentum from behind, but also protection at the flank because that's our vulnerable side. If we're moving forward, we can't see behind us. We don't know what might be sneaking up behind us. There's always a leader back there that sees what's coming and also what's in front of us. So they sort of have this dual vision of they can see the whole team and can pass information to the leader at the front to say, you know what, the team's lagging behind, we need to slow this pace. Or you need to turn left, there's a cliff on the right, or hey, there's something going on behind us. I need everybody to stop and turn so that we can address this. So there's a leader from behind. Then there's the two leaders at the sides on the left and the right. And that's the nurturer and the motivator.
The nurturer is that I'm with you, we've got this together. I understand and have empathy for your position. I'm going to help you do that work. So there's a nurturing aspect there's also a motivating aspect that's more like a coach on the sideline. Like, you've got this, you can do this, right? So it's not that I'm going to step in and help you, but it's that I see your potential and I'm cheering you on, right? So there's these four sort of primary leadership aspects and they create that cocoon that holds the team in the middle.
And when they move out, that is the shape that they kind of take on and they create this container to hold the team in. And so, yeah, so those are kind of the four primary roles and they all distribute leadership based on capabilities and strengths, not job titles and ranks and.
[00:47:11] Speaker A: Tenure or how old they are or.
[00:47:13] Speaker C: How old you are or what's your resume say? How many degrees do you have? Has nothing to do with that. It's like, how are you showing up authentically as a leader and what are your personal strengths? What can you offer?
[00:47:23] Speaker A: And it's interesting because if you talk to Sonya and you tell her what you're like at your job, like, I was always a bit.
I was taking on other people's problems that they weren't even seeing were problems, but I could see they were problems. Oh, yeah, you're the one from the back of the herd. You're the protector. It's like, oh, I just fell into that role. So it. Once you talk to her and she. And she knows what your style is like at work, she can tell you exactly if you're one of those leaders.
[00:47:54] Speaker C: Which leader you are. And people forget that we're all leaders in some capacity. We are all inspiring and motivating others. Whether we do it actively or passively, we're all showing up in a capacity to be a leader in some form in our lives. And it's really about how do we want to show up in that capacity? What message do we want to send? What energy do we want to carry in those spaces?
Are we setting healthy boundaries? Are we building and fostering healthy relationships? Are we distributing and sharing the workload, or are we trying to take it all on ourselves?
You know, there's that leader out in front that tries to pull the team versus trusting the leaders behind them to drive the team forward, right? To really motivate and help push the team. So there's a lot of difference there. So, yes, horses are glorious at this, and they're a great example. And when we do this kind of work, we really get in there with the horses and we start moving as a team. And we call it eft.
And I don't know if we can swear on this show.
[00:48:52] Speaker A: Yes, according to Derek.
Derek, our sponsor, yes, you can.
[00:48:57] Speaker C: So if you're not an adult, plug your ears. But we call it EFT every time.
It never fails. When you get in there with the horses, the horses could be distracted, they could be freaking out about something over the fence. They could be off in their own la la land. If we get in there as humans and we start to move as a, as a coherent and joined team and we are in alignment with each other with a shared mission and goal and we start moving, the horses will fall in every time.
[00:49:26] Speaker A: And this is a beautiful paradigm for the, for what we're moving into, which is we're getting away from this patriarchal competition scheme, you know, or model for business, where it's like, I'm going to screw you before you screw me, basically.
And to more of a maternal let's.
What are your strengths? How can we work together? Which I love about Sonya because when I talked to her, that's how she was trying to work the management.
In your 3D world, she could see well. And part of that was your intuition. You could definitely pick on people's strengths. But I love that idea of just like, hey, come on now, just because someone has a title, does that mean they're really filling that role when someone else has this, can't we all work together, you know, to make it and draw on everyone's strengths, just like the horses?
[00:50:17] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's identify the leaders in your team is what I tell people all the time. Like, who in your team is ready to step up and do they want to. I mean, you don't want to force somebody into something they don't want to do. Or they'd be like, great, thanks, boss, I got more work to do and the same amount of pay. That's great. I appreciate your leadership training.
[00:50:33] Speaker B: You just got your new title. Your new title.
[00:50:35] Speaker C: But truly, if they're, if they have a strength, if they can motivate people, if they're strong, motivator, put them in that role within the team.
Say, hey, I've got this new project that we need to execute, you know, and it's going to require changing workflows or whatever. And, and so I really want to get some buy in from the team. So why don't you, you know, step in, here's what it looks like, tell me what you think and, and how can we help the team understand it? Right.
[00:51:02] Speaker B: So here's one thing that I just want to mention because we have really focused on, like, I think what's on going great. It's like the work that you're doing is so amazing because it's literally like setting that footprint into the future of, like, what. How can we shift as humanity in order to evolve into something so much greater, functional. And we're having like. Like, you're using horses to kind of like showcase that.
[00:51:29] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: Way of moving forward. But what we would also like to know, because there's got to be balance, you know? So what is, like, some of the things we have you as is, like, pretty freaking amazing. So we have her as a Celtic bang band singer.
[00:51:46] Speaker A: She's got an amazing voice.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: She is an instrument player. She plays the piano.
[00:51:50] Speaker A: I've seen her drum. She drums.
[00:51:52] Speaker B: She drums.
[00:51:53] Speaker C: She just plays viola.
[00:51:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And her love of music, just in general music and art.
And then we have like, what, like, really brings you in is nature. So explain a little bit more about, like, what. How you feel like you wind down. What. What.
[00:52:11] Speaker C: What grounds mean.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: Yes, exactly.
[00:52:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Nature absolutely does.
I. I listen to the. I talk to the trees. So another weird woo woo thing about me.
[00:52:20] Speaker A: Good thing you have a lot of trees. Yeah, I have a lot of trees.
[00:52:22] Speaker C: So I will talk to the trees. The trees are very forgiving, by the way. So if you ever need an energy recharge or whatever, you need to, like, ground trees are the way to do it.
[00:52:30] Speaker A: Hug that tree.
[00:52:31] Speaker C: Hug that tree.
Music is grounding for me. I listen to all kinds of music.
So, yeah, for me to really connect back into me, it's usually through music, it's through art, it's through nature. These are the places I go for inspiration and for grounding.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: And I think that's good advice for a lot of people.
[00:52:50] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:52:51] Speaker A: But, you know, I lived in the city, I didn't have nature. I would actually.
There was a bus stop that was within walking distance of where I lived that dropped me off in front of a university. So I'd go stand on their grass.
[00:53:04] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, no, that's perfect.
[00:53:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So we've got about five minutes left.
Anything else that's standing out as far as what you wanted to talk to Sonya about?
[00:53:13] Speaker B: Well, I think that one of the things is I wanted to pick a little bit on the things she truly enjoys to do. So, for example, with music, I know you've been part of a band, but I know that the band has kind of, like, taken a little pause. But what influenced you to go into music? How did you connect so well with.
[00:53:34] Speaker C: Music at a very young age. I was singing. I always remember singing. And I know spiritually, along other lifetimes and other paths. I've been in the role of a siren, for example, where singing has always been a gift that I've had or been a path that I've been on.
And I.
Gosh.
I was in choir when I was young. I joined a band. The band that we're talking about is called Chronalist. And I joined that band years and years and years ago to avoid burnout at work.
[00:54:11] Speaker A: It was actually a good idea.
[00:54:13] Speaker C: I was working so much, and I needed to. I needed a creative outlet. And so that was my balance point. So I started in Chronolist to. To offset that burnout.
And so I've always been singing, and I have sang country and blues and rock and then Celtic, and I write my own stuff, and I do light language, kind of like Lola does, you know, So I. I don't care what genre it is, I'll sing it.
So. I always have gotten joy from using my voice in that way.
Some of the other instruments I picked up along the way, piano, viola, drums, they've all just kind of come to me in one form or another, whether I picked it up in school. I played viola when I was in school and did that for a number of years. And then piano, I started and then quickly got into horses. So I didn't stay in piano as long because other things took my attention away.
[00:55:07] Speaker A: You can't bring them. You can't bring the piano outside.
[00:55:10] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. It doesn't fit on the piano.
[00:55:12] Speaker A: You can bring the viola outside.
[00:55:15] Speaker C: Yeah. And it was funny because when I was younger, I was so shy. I really wanted to play cello, but.
[00:55:21] Speaker A: I love the sound of cello.
[00:55:22] Speaker C: I was so shy and just so modest at that time. I didn't want to hold the. You had to pull your legs apart with the cello between your knees. And I'm like, I can't be on stage in front of people sitting like that. It'd be terrible. Also, it's like, I guess I'll play the viola, which is the next best thing, and it transports easier, and carry that around. And I was so tiny back then. Like, lifting a cello would have been a nightmare.
[00:55:43] Speaker A: But, man, you are just so multifaceted.
[00:55:46] Speaker C: I am an onion.
There's layers, that's for sure.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: Well, the first thing I want to say is thank you for coming and really thank you for having me sharing your story, inspiring others.
And I just find it that the biggest thing we wanted to do with our podcast is just to have people be able to listen, understand and know that wherever they're at in life, whatever they're developing, whatever struggles they feel like they're having at this moment, there's always that hope.
[00:56:18] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:56:18] Speaker B: So, yes, personally I can definitely say that I love my tribe, but I really what I love about Sonia, it's almost like her light is bright and she wants to brighten that of others. And that's an amazing thing that I think any human can pick up on.
Anything you want to say before.
[00:56:42] Speaker A: Just wanted to remind people that she has because she's multifaceted, she has multi ways to contact her.
So we've got the resonance healing for the to learn more about the woo woo part.
You're energy healer and you get a medium and you can learn more about ghost conferences and such. And then you've got the hooves and here's which is your non profit and then you've also got spirit to spirit.
[00:57:09] Speaker C: Which does all the profit leadership type stuff. Yep.
[00:57:14] Speaker A: So any of those work. And then we have drum circles where you can go to my website, lolasinger.com and it's got the dates and where the address is for that too. Yeah, we do all kinds of spiritual woo woo stuff at her house. She lets us do it. Yay.
Okay, well, I want to have you back again.
I think people can learn a lot from you. And in the meantime, thank you so much for being here.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: Yes. Please share this episode.
[00:57:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:57:45] Speaker C: Thanks for having me.
[00:57:46] Speaker B: Thank you for listening.
[00:57:47] Speaker A: Bye.
