THE SCALE OF EMOTIONS

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness. Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you are likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week. Join us as we spill the tea on what it is like to wake up to your authenticity self. Hi, I am Lola Singer and I am going to be very authentic in this episode. We're going to talk about emotions and some, some days the emotions feel heavier than others. And for me personally, I've been examining a lot of deep childhood wounding this week and I've had my ups and downs where I looked at it hard. I secluded myself, I cried a lot and then I was okay for a couple days. I actually felt good, you know, I knew I had harmonized and then I woke up this morning feeling sad again. So I just wanted to let people know that it's okay if you're on kind of a roller coaster ride emotionally right now. There's a new moon going on and I think right now the entire zeitgeist of our planet is set up for us to heal ultimately so we can move into this what people call new age, age of Aquarius, age of Horus, whatever you want to call it, this new age of more cooperation and less competition. But in order to do that, we have to take a serious look at who we are now, what we need to shed and what stories we are ready to let go of. But that means we actually have to look at the stories. And in my case, and probably in a lot of your cases and in my co host case, we have to feel them. We have to feel them to heal them. So anyway, that's just wanted to let you everybody know ahead of time. I'm feeling a little raw today, but we decided when we started this podcast a year ago that we were just going to be very honest with you. You. Yeah. So I'm gonna turn it over to my very honest co host now. [00:02:17] Speaker B: And my name is Emeril. And just like Lola, I think that what it is is I what spirit keeps telling me it's kind of like a boiling pot. So what these energies and this shifts and these how this new energy that's coming in, it's really boiling things and having them come up to the surface now. I think that everything in our lives, we can see it in such different ways. We can see it one way or another, but what it's really trying to do, it's not Trying to victimize us. It's trying to. Makes us be able to dig deeper by uncovering layers that maybe we just hadn't explored before. And just like Lola said, I. I also feel that I was. Well, yes, I was very raw with emotions. And there was a lot of things that sometimes catch you off guard because, you know, growing up, you went through certain emotions, but what you don't realize is how much things you trapped in what they create. But so they. When they come out, you're like, whoa, that came out of me. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And it gets trapped not only in our subconscious, but in our body. [00:03:31] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly. [00:03:32] Speaker A: And that's what we wanted to talk about today, too, is that. Well, let's just go back to where I think where you were heading. There's nothing wrong with any emotion. They're a gauge. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:03:42] Speaker A: It's just when a light goes. Like when the oil light goes on in your car, it's time to change the oil. Of course, Mia the cat is making noises right on cue when we start a podcast. So that's what we're really wanting to press on you guys right now. Emotion is energy in motion. If it gets trapped, it's not moving. [00:04:05] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:04:06] Speaker A: So we need to get it moving again. And sometimes that requires us to take a really deep, honest look at why it's trapped. Because we're suppressing it. [00:04:15] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:04:15] Speaker A: So we wanted to talk about the different kinds of motions there are and how you can work with each one. Even the ones that you might label as icky or bad. They're not icky or bad. Like I said, they're like an indicator light on your car. There's something that needs to be addressed and you've been avoiding addressing it. And there's a point where it's same, like if you don't get an oil change, eventually something. Something's going to tell you, oh, I should have done that months ago, you know. [00:04:43] Speaker B: So let's start by saying, what is the name of our episode today? [00:04:49] Speaker A: It is the Scale of Emotions, and it's based on something called the Hawkins Scale, Scale of Emotions that I think some people in the audience are going to be familiar with. You can look it up online. And it was your idea to talk about this today. So what would you like to say about the Hawkins Scale and how you use it? [00:05:07] Speaker B: So the Hawkins Scale, one of the very first things that I absolutely loved about it is when I got into. Had like all these emotions and they're. They're leveled by points. So the lower the point, the lower on the scale, the emotion is. But here's the thing that it does say about that scale, which I think will resonate with all of us, is that this is not a set point, meaning we fluctuate. Because there's, it's, it would be impossible for, I mean, yes, we can kind of live around a certain, for the most part, a certain point and then come down sometimes when we feel certain emotions. But it's more like what Lola said about allowing to see the emotion, allowing being able to sit with the emotion and ask, okay, what are you trying to show me? Or where is it that I may have not seen you before or neglected you before, and now I'm ready to be able to see you with a different light? [00:06:15] Speaker A: And a lot of these emotions, they were suppressed early on in childhood, and you might not even be aware you been carrying them for so long. And it's how it's been affecting you physically as well as emotionally. So once again, no, no foul, no foul. If you're feeling certain feelings, especially like when, like when people are going through the grief cycle. Yeah, right. There are certain emotions that come up, you know, the disbelief and then the anger. Right. I, I, I always love when people are honoring those emotions and not trying to, you know, say, oh, I should be over this by now. It's like if you're in the angry part of the grief cycle, then that's where you are, and it's okay to be angry. So. [00:06:56] Speaker B: And even that being said, one of the things I always like to clear about grief is that grief is not necessarily someone passing your life. Only you can grieve for the old version of yourself that once upon a time, you used to see life a certain way. And here's where it becomes really tricky. So as you let go of that old version, you feel the grief and you feel the sadness of letting go of something that once felt like part of you. And that's what I was dealing with lots with, like yesterday. And it was about just letting go of that version, because as we heal things, parts of us, we have to let go of the old way of seeing things, otherwise we can't really move forward. And that's grieving as well. [00:07:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's inevitable on the spiritual journey. It's absolutely inevitable. So let's, let's talk about the scale. Okay, so we're going to start. The printout we have goes from the lowest to the highest. And I can certainly tell you, at the beginning of my journey and most of my adult life, I was at the lowest Part of the scale we all were. Yeah. So the lowest one with a level of 20 is shame. And oh my goodness, every child, no shame. That that's how we are trained. That is how we are taught to conform. And the state of shape is reflected in a feeling of collapse. And the body correlates to that by having hunched posture and folding inward. So I went through a shame. I felt shame this week. I mean, that was shame that was just ingrained in me since I was probably about 4 years old that I was looking at. So I guess that's what I want to go back to again. There's nothing wrong about recognizing shame. But I guess what we want to offer you are maybe some ways you can work with that feeling of shame. So we also asked for on an Internet search for some things that could help. Number one being how, you know, since it's affecting the body, you know, people are going to have that inward posture. For example, how. What can you do with physically to help you when you, when you are experienced shame or you're. Or you recognize someone else who's spirit experiencing change, who you might be able to offer, hey, you might feel better if you try this. So what we discovered in our Internet search was that when you're feeling shame, if you inhale slowly and you roll your shoulders back and uncurl your spine, that would help counteract that which makes so much sense because you have that concave posture. So now you're going to do the opposite. You're going to inhale slowly and roll those shoulders back and uncurl your spine. And because we're always looking for solutions here. Right. Not problems. [00:10:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:08] Speaker A: We also came up with some mantras to go with each of these feelings. So at the lowest end, shame. The mantra is. Would you like to say it? [00:10:18] Speaker B: Yep. Even now I am worthy of breath. [00:10:25] Speaker A: Breath is the, the whole concept of the tree of life and cabal. It all starts with the breath of. Of God. [00:10:31] Speaker B: And breath is life. [00:10:32] Speaker A: And but you are a reflection of that creative breath energy. So yes, you are worthy of breath or you wouldn't be here. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:41] Speaker A: So I would say that over and over again. Even now I am worthy of breath. Even now I am worthy of breath. Even. Oh, See, I can feel it in my body when I say it. And I felt it in my root, which makes sense. That's the fear center. That's where the shame would be held. [00:10:57] Speaker B: And ideally, I mean the mantras, obviously you can say it at any point, especially if you feel like you're going through that Emotion, but they work very effectively when your mind isn't overthinking and not caught up in, like, everyday life. So they usually recommend, like to get them to be really effective, like when you first wake up and when you're about to go to bed. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Because when speaking from experience, if I'm. If I'm in the midst of a shame cycle, I'm not even going to think about this mantra. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Y. [00:11:29] Speaker A: So it's good to have it ready. Write it down somewhere or have someone offer it to you to remind you, hey, say this over again. Would you like to tell them about the next step up on the emotional scale? [00:11:39] Speaker B: Yes. So our next step up is level 30, and that is guilt. And the state is self condemnation. [00:11:51] Speaker A: Condemnation. Yeah, self condemnation. [00:11:54] Speaker B: And the bodily. Bodily correlate is heavy chest and tight shoulders. [00:12:02] Speaker A: This is when we're beating up on ourselves. [00:12:06] Speaker B: And you know, it's very interesting because these emotions, what I see a pattern is how they correlate when we, like, are first starting to doing our spiritual awakening. Like, there has been, like, for me at least I remember there was so much guilt about everything because it was like the indoctrination of just feeling guilt for everything you did until you realize, like, hey, even out of anything that I've ever done in my life, where I could feel guilty over, there was a lesson that I could have learned. And we're here to expand conscious so that guilt is kind of going against what we're here to do and the way we're where we're supposed to look at. [00:12:55] Speaker A: It's interesting too, because even this morning while I was cooking breakfast, I was thinking of some things I felt guilty about from like 20, 30 years ago. And I. I can tell I've healed because I didn't fall into the trap of feeling guilty about. I just said that's not who I am anymore. Yeah, but if you are feeling guilt, and we all do from time to time, the movement is to lightly press your hand to your heart and exhale through your mouth. So get that heart connection going. And what is the mantra for that? It is. Oh, this is the one you mentioned earlier before we started the podcast. It goes with guilt. Okay. Do you want to say it? [00:13:41] Speaker B: Sure. I forgive myself for being human. [00:13:44] Speaker A: Humans make mistakes. That's how we learn. That's how we gain wisdom. [00:13:49] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:13:50] Speaker A: So I forgive myself for being human. You're not an automaton. You're not perfect. But the reason humanity is so important to the evolution of this entire universe is because we're in this world of polarity. We're going to make mistakes, aches. How are we going to deal with the polarity? We're going to recover by doing the opposite, usually. [00:14:15] Speaker B: Yep. [00:14:16] Speaker A: So that's what this hand to heart is. It's like the opposite of guilt. It's like, okay, I'm touching my heart, I'm touching the part of me that does forgive and the part of me that loves. And then exhaling through the mouth that releases. Release that guilt. It doesn't mean a little exhale. It means exhale that guilt out while you're bringing that love in. Right. [00:14:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:39] Speaker A: I can see where that would be very effective, can't you? [00:14:41] Speaker B: Yes. [00:14:43] Speaker A: Okay, so I guess the point being don't feel guilty about feeling guilt. Would you like to talk about the next step up? Yes. [00:14:55] Speaker B: So the next level, it's level 50 and it's apathy. The state is numbness and the bodily correlate is sluggish, minimal movement. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Yeah. When you're apathy, it's like, man, I don't care about anything. I think that was most of my 20s and 30s. I was such a jaded little character. So I know apathy very well. It's like, yeah. What's, you know, it's. It kind of goes with futility. Like, what's the point? I don't, you know, I don't care. Whatever. So how, how can we counteract that? This. So if the body. What was the body is sluggish and minimal movement. Well, it seems to me that some movements required. And that's exactly what's recommended. Even if it's just wiggling, your fingers and toes invite some kind of gentle motion in. Yep. To counteract apathy. And would you like to tell them what the mantra is? [00:16:00] Speaker B: Yep. For apathy, the mantra is a small spark still lives in me. [00:16:07] Speaker A: I like that. Because even when it feels like you're going nowhere, there's a spark, there's an ember. [00:16:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:12] Speaker A: There's that little scintilla of hope. [00:16:15] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:16:17] Speaker A: This is some good advice, guys. Okay. We talked about this as the next step up. And the level on this one is 75, and that is grief. And the state of grief is reflected in sadness. And it correlates to the body by causing constricted breath and a drooping head. We all grieve from time to time. We just talked about that. Sometimes the grief is. Is more stabbing than others. But even letting go of the old self we used to be, like you said, involves grief. So how would we deal with this bodily function? Where you're just feeling sad and you're not breathing properly and your head's drooping. What, What, What. What could help with that? Amaral. [00:17:15] Speaker B: So the movement would be hand on the chest, Breathe deeply, lift the chin slightly. [00:17:23] Speaker A: Yes, I want to. I actually, this is interesting. This is a sidebar. I used to work at a major department store in Seattle, and when you're working with customers, some days it's easier than others. And I actually read that one of the ways they used to help people with depression, like. Like in the 1900s, was to have people stand and look up at the ceiling. And so when I would get upset with a customer, I would go in the back room, and maybe for one, two minutes, I would look up at the ceiling. And that's what this is telling you to do. And trust me, you guys, it works. So when you lift your chin slightly, it does elevate your mood. It really does. I can tell you this from practice. Yeah, yeah. And the hand on the chest, once again, get back to the heart. Yeah. Feel that breath. And the. Did we. Did we say the mantra? [00:18:22] Speaker B: We haven't said the mantra yet. [00:18:23] Speaker A: Okay. Because I went on my little tangent here. The mantra is, it's safe to let my heart breathe again. Is that not beautiful? Do you want to say that aloud and see how it feels in your body? [00:18:38] Speaker B: It's safe to let my heart breathe again. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that's something. Like, it almost feels like you should say that every morning. It's safe to let my heart breathe again. That is so poetic and beautiful. Okay, so the next one up on the Hawkins scale. This Hawkins scale is very useful. Is anger at. No, fear. [00:19:07] Speaker B: Fear. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Fear at level 100. And looks like that causes anxiety. Yeah. Well, I think we can all relate to that. And anybody who's had a panic attack. And I know there's people in the. Audiences who have shallow breathing and a tense abdomen are how it manifests breathing. Hey, Mr. Breathwork. If you can slow down the breathing, it does help a lot. When you're going through any kind of emotion that feels like it's. It's not to your highest benefit. Yeah. Back. It gives you that control. But one of. One of the things is psychological because it's one of the few things you can control when you feel like you're out of control. [00:19:45] Speaker B: Yep. When I was younger, especially around, like, I want to say my 30s, early 30s, I was living in Seattle, like, late 20s, early 30s, and I used to get anxiety attacks all the time. And what's really crazy is that I was trying to control my life in such a way that it was giving me anxiety. And I remember there was a time with the anxiety attack was coming in and I was in my car and I was about to leave work. And I remember telling. Because I was freaking out. It was. It was really strong. And at that point I wasn't like, really sure what it was. So I immediately went into anxiety mode thinking that it was my heart. And then I was having, like, heart palpitations and might have been, like, heart attacks. So one of my co workers was passing by my car and I opened the window and I said, can you please help me? I'm, like, freaking out. And she actually was like, I gotta go to work. I'm running behind, but I'll talk to you later. And then she just spaced it. Like, she just left. And the thing is, I was really freaked out. But like Lola said, I started slowing down my breath. And when I started slowing down my breath, I was able to get myself back into my body and get back into, like, that normal breathing created. What it did is it created calmness. And then I was able to almost, like, get away from the full anxiety attack. But at the. [00:21:25] Speaker A: For. [00:21:25] Speaker B: At first it was so extreme and I was so upset. And my co worker, because I knew that she was probably running behind and stuff, but I really felt like I needed help from someone and she was just like, I gotta go. [00:21:37] Speaker A: That. That would not help one bit. Yeah. Okay, so what I like for the way they described how to help yourself with this, because of course, we talked about, you know, in your body, you're going to have the shallow breathing, so inhale through your nose and exhale longer through your mouth. It's just that simple. You don't even have to count a certain number as long as you exhale longer. So if you're in the midst of feeling anxiety like that, if you can just remember, if I breathe out longer, I'll be better. So it's not like you have to say it's always a count of 10 or it's always a count of four. As long as whatever you're breathing out is longer, you're going to get the benefit. And I just think that makes it so much easier when you're in the midst of something like that going on, instead of like, oh, my. What, what are the instructions now? Just breathe longer out. It's just that simple. [00:22:34] Speaker B: And I wish I would have known that, but I did. Somehow I slowed down. And I must have done that exercise without really knowing because clearly I was Able to. Stepped out of anxiety, but it was pretty extreme. [00:22:47] Speaker A: But I love the mantra that goes with this. Breathe in through your nose, breathe out through your mouth longer. Would you please read this? Because it's just chef's kiss as far as I'm concerned. [00:22:59] Speaker B: The mantra is, I am safe enough for one full breath. Oh, let me read that again. It feels really good. I am safe enough for one full breath. I like that. [00:23:15] Speaker A: I think that would help so much in the moment. It's like I'm not trying to calm myself down to a point. I can drive. It's just I am calm enough for one. I'm safe enough for one full breath. I love it. So those are what's considered the lowest frequencies on the Hawkins skin scale. And like I said, we, we, we're. I'm going to forgive myself for being human and say I've experienced all of them. I love that mantra too. So now we're going to move into the middle frequencies and the range is 150 to 350. And you were a little surprised about this one being on the middle scale, weren't you? Why don't you tell them what it is? [00:23:57] Speaker B: Yep. So sitting at level 150 is anger. In the state is resistance and the bottle bodily correlate is heat and clenched jaw or slash fists. [00:24:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And we've all seen that posture, haven't we? We've all seen certain people, their face turn red. Now, when he said he was surprised that it wasn't on the lower frequency, what's the first thing I said to you? [00:24:29] Speaker B: Because you said anger is a catalyst. [00:24:31] Speaker A: It's a catalyst. It's not a bad thing. It doesn't feel good at the time, but it's telling you something needs to change. That's. That's what the, the meter on your car is telling you. You are the meter. Something about this needs to change. Yep. [00:24:47] Speaker B: And one of the things I actually got to experience that one yesterday, I had suppressed anger that surfaced out and I couldn't. I just. It was my teenage. My teenage teenager, inner teenager that I have suppressed for a while. And this raging anger just came out. And the thing is, what I was doing is I was trying to let it, allow it to come out. So I'm trying to listen and I'm journaling. All the sudden when I start writing, I'm on journal. I was like, shocked because I'm like, wow, this is like, really. I am so. And all of a sudden I started feeling so mad, just losing it. Like, just pissed off. Pretty Much. And it was. It wasn't about, like. What I wanted to do is experience the emotion so I could let it out. So I really. I was like. I had to write everything down of all the anger and everything that I suppressed down so that it could be released. And it was just. I was more shocked. Not because of the emotion, because we all get angry sometimes. I was shocked because some of the words came out because of the emotion. [00:26:02] Speaker A: That's okay. You need to. Because when you. When you're dealing with catalytic energy, it needs expression. [00:26:07] Speaker B: Yes, that's very true. [00:26:09] Speaker A: It's the opposite of holding it in and reflecting on it. It does need to be expressed in healthy ways. Journaling and whatever came out of your mouth is a healthy way to do it, as long as you know you weren't saying words that hurt anybody else. [00:26:22] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:26:23] Speaker A: So the movement that's recommended when you're feeling all this clenched fists and such, is to actually go ahead and shake your arms and your hands to release the tension. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:26:36] Speaker A: So shake it, Shake it. Shake it out. Shake it out. Yes. And would you like to read the suggested mantra? Because I like this mantra. Yep. [00:26:44] Speaker B: The mantra for anger is, my fire moves, it does not burn me. [00:26:51] Speaker A: That is a catalytic statement, isn't it? My fire moves. It does not burn me. It moves. It needs to move. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:59] Speaker A: So that's why I'm kind of. I was like, yeah, I can see why this is in the middle range and not the lower range. Yeah, it's the lower middle. But still, I can. I. I have learned to see anger as something that shows me I need to change something, and that's not a bad thing, as long as I'm not unleashing my anger on somebody else. [00:27:17] Speaker B: Yep, that is very true. [00:27:20] Speaker A: Okay, so now in the next step up in the middle frequencies, we are looking at level number 200. And this is one that I actually have been focusing on for the past year with my vision boards, because I would like to embrace even more of this. And it's courage. And the state of courage is empowerment. And when you're feeling empowered and courageous, the bodily correlation is that you lift your chest and you have a stronger stance. You have that power stance. Right. You feel really rooted to earth, like a superman pose. Yeah. Okay. Would you like to tell them a little bit more about how to work with the energy of courage? [00:28:11] Speaker B: Yes, with the energy of courage. The movement is straighten the spine, feed planted in a steady gaze. [00:28:22] Speaker A: You know, it's interesting because I, like many of us, we've had our moments of employment and non employment. Maybe not you because you were self employed for most of your your life, but when you have to go to unemployment, they go to classes. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:36] Speaker A: And actually this was one of the things they recommended in one of the classes before an interview, stand by your car and do the Superman pose. Because now you're embodying that empowerment and that courage. [00:28:49] Speaker B: And see, that's so funny. Maybe I like come across that. But really most of my life I was not self employed. I actually was hired by someone my self full self employed, I guess became once I opened up the, the salon. But yeah, and that brought a whole bunch of different. [00:29:08] Speaker A: Can you imagine doing that Superman pose before an interview? Yep. And how you would feel that trickle of courage coming through. So I think that's spot on based on what I've learned. And what is the mantra? [00:29:23] Speaker B: The mantra is I stand tall in what is mine to do. [00:29:27] Speaker A: I stand tall. See, it all comes back to that Superman pose. [00:29:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:32] Speaker A: I stand tall in what is mine to do. [00:29:36] Speaker B: I like it. [00:29:37] Speaker A: I do too. And this makes sense too, because courage would be the next step up from anger because anger is the catalyst and the courage is the, is the, the willingness to move forward even though it might be scary. Yeah. Okay. So the next step up is at level 250 and it is neutrality. Now neutrality is not the same as apathy. [00:30:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:08] Speaker A: Some people might think it is. So when we're dealing with neutrality, it's more of that kind of Buddhist Zen. You know, I'm going to stay calm in the storm kind of a feeling. Right. So the state is balance. Oh yeah. That goes with exactly what I just said, doesn't it? Yeah, Very, very Zen. And when you're feeling neutral, unlike when you're feeling apathetic. See, apathetic, you're feeling sluggish, but when you're feeling neutral and balanced, your body is relaxed and your breath is steady. So you don't even have to think about, you know, how many. If I need to breathe longer, breathing out. You're, you're totally balanced with your breath and you're totally balanced with your thoughts and your emotions too, right? Yep. Anything you want to add to that concept. [00:31:03] Speaker B: That it was interesting because when we get started, we have all these weird expectations of ourselves. So a lot of the times when we start our spiritual thing, the first thing that gets fed as we really start moving forward in our spiritual journey is our ego because we haven't discovered it yet. So like a lot of the times it gets the best of us. Right. So my thing, my confession about my ego is that I really thought I was, like, way up there on the scale, thinking it's like a set point. And now I understand, obviously, that there's no such thing as a set point. [00:31:44] Speaker A: In emotions, because that's why everything in spirituality, they show spirals. [00:31:47] Speaker B: Yep. But when I actually turned out, I was at a neutral state and I was balanced. So because I felt balance, I thought I was really up there. [00:32:02] Speaker A: You were mostly balanced. Maybe just slightly skewed to imbalance. Exactly. [00:32:07] Speaker B: Slightly skewed. But it was. It was so interesting because now I'm laughing about it because I understand it. It no longer has a hold on me. And it was. It's like ego can be really sneaky when you're. When you're going through your spiritual journey, especially when you really, truly start stepping into healing yourself, start stepping into experiences, these new emotions, and they feel so great that you're like, oh, I must be here. [00:32:38] Speaker A: That goes with our ego traps episode. Yeah. [00:32:44] Speaker B: I've been messing up to it. [00:32:46] Speaker A: I did it too. I did it too. It's part of the journey. But. Yes. So neutrality is actually a middle frequency. But you know what's interesting on the scale? It's the middle of the middle frequencies. Yeah. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Isn't that funny? [00:33:02] Speaker A: So when you're feeling that, what's recommended is to, I guess to help move you forward into the next level, because neutrality is not a bad place to be. Is that the movement is to. Oh, I've lost my place here. Where did it go? [00:33:25] Speaker B: It's roll the shoulders. [00:33:26] Speaker A: Shoulders and open your palms. Which is. What do those Buddhist monks do? They open their palms when they're meditating. Right. I. I swear, neutrality makes me think of the Buddhist. Buddhist monks. [00:33:37] Speaker B: It is kind of the Buddhist whole poser posture. And that's what they preach for. You must remain neutral no matter what. [00:33:44] Speaker A: Yes, they do. And rolling your shoulders does relax you, like when you tensed and anxious. That's one of the things they also recommend is to just drop your shoulders because they. They tend to lift up. Yeah. And the. Oh, this sounds like a Buddhist monk too. Are you ready for the mantra? [00:34:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:02] Speaker A: I choose peace over struggle. [00:34:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:05] Speaker A: It's not denying struggle. See, that's the. The neutrality again. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Yep. [00:34:10] Speaker A: I choose peace over struggle. I choose peace over struggle. Wow. [00:34:15] Speaker B: So I. I actually, I'll be descriptive about this, but I ran into this little meme that I had to repost. Right. And it was so interesting because the meme says, this is what people feel Zen is like. And there was a little picture of this little Buddhist monk in this beautiful paradise. And that was, like, what people think it is. When truly Zen was the little monk meditating and around fire his entire thing. Because Zen is an inward thing. Like, nothing needs to change on the outside for you to be at Zen, to be at peace with yourself. And it's kind of interesting how that really relates to current life we're experiencing, because when we're focusing so much on the outside, it's gonna cause us to feel some emotions for sure. Maybe not the greatest emotions, but it sure will take us to feel certain emotions. [00:35:17] Speaker A: Well, speaking of emotions, the next one up from this neutral, I think that's so funny. It's the middle of the middle is willingness, And I never really thought of willingness as an emotion, but that's interesting. And the state of willingness is flow. And when you're in that feeling of flow and willingness, your body, your torso is open, and you experience rhythmic movement. So once again, balance movements. Right. Wow. Okay, so with willingness, would you want to tell them what the movement is? Recommended. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Yes. The movement recommended is inhale, reach arms slightly outward, and exhale. [00:36:03] Speaker A: Oh, that feels good. Let me try that. Oh, that feels good, actually. And the mantra. Would you like to read that too? Because you can think the mantra or say it while you're moving your. Moving your arms. [00:36:21] Speaker B: Yep. I'm ready to learn what this moment brings. [00:36:25] Speaker A: This moment. So then you stay in the now moment. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:28] Speaker A: You're not worried about the past and anxious about the future? Oh, I. What was that again? [00:36:37] Speaker B: I am ready to learn what this moment brings. [00:36:42] Speaker A: That is good. [00:36:44] Speaker B: That is really good. I love that. [00:36:47] Speaker A: Okay, so the next level up, which is at 350, is acceptance. And the state that correlates to that is ease. Acceptance and ease. And when you're in that state, your body has smooth breathing and a grounded spine. Now, that's interesting, because I've been working on grounding a lot more recently. I'm really starting to understand that it is all part of the perfect balance and harmony. So. And you ground a lot. But I think that's interesting that it goes with acceptance. [00:37:24] Speaker B: Do you want to hear something really interesting and funny in the same way? When I started, I don't know, I thought neutrality and acceptance was around the same lines exactly, but it's really not if you actually, like, really look at it from what it is. But it's just interesting to me that those words seem to be like an exchangeable kind of words. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Well, when you're neutral to something, it's different than accepting something, though, because I. I can be neutral to observe something about me, but not really fully accept that aspect about me. It's. It's when you start to accept it as, oh, okay, it's part of me. I don't need to fight this anymore. Then that's. That's a little bit different than neutrality. [00:38:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:14] Speaker A: So what's recommended to really augment the feeling of acceptance? [00:38:19] Speaker B: It is recommended. The movement that's recommended is place both hands on heart and soft nod. [00:38:26] Speaker A: So nod your head while your hands on your heart. That. That sounds self soothing to me. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Yep, it does sound very soothing. [00:38:33] Speaker A: And the mantra for acceptance is, I can meet this just as it is. That's what we're just talking about me saying, okay, I can accept this part of me, even though I was thinking it was flawed. Y. I can meet this just as it is. I can meet this just as it is. [00:38:51] Speaker B: Isn't that so interesting too? We live our whole lives, like, not accepting ourselves, questioning this, questioning our looks, questioning how. How we are towards others, how others treat us. And it's like at the end, acceptance really makes the change. Like nothing needs to change except for you and the way you're accepting and seeing things outside of you. [00:39:16] Speaker A: Which would explain why the next step up takes us to the higher frequencies, correct? [00:39:21] Speaker B: Yep. [00:39:22] Speaker A: So for the higher frequencies, according to the Hawkins scale, the first one is at level 400. And the emotion is reason and the state is clarity. See, I never thought of reason being an emotion. And it says that the body. The bodily correlation would be that your shoulders are relaxed and your. You have an expanded head space. Relaxed shoulders, sure. Expanded headspace. So it's like you're feeling the energy around your head. So. [00:39:58] Speaker B: Well, we just brought it like we were talking about before we started the podcast is how restricting yourself is lower energy. [00:40:05] Speaker A: So when you're lowering your head. Yeah. [00:40:08] Speaker B: So extraction is ex. Expansion is more about opening up. [00:40:15] Speaker A: Which would make sense. Then why? The posture they recommend to help you augment this emotion would be to. To try to lengthen your neck and relax your jaw. So that would be the whole head. You know, like in meditation, sometimes they tell you to imagine there's a thread on the top of your head, and to pull that thread up just a little higher, elevate your head and your neck. And so that's where that comes from. And of course, a relaxed jaw. They always recommend that in meditation. [00:40:47] Speaker B: Yep. [00:40:48] Speaker A: So, okay. And then the mantra is, my mind serves truth, not fear. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Yep. [00:40:56] Speaker A: Well, that is using your reasoning in a Positive way, isn't it? My mind serves truth, not fear. Fear. Okay, well, this is the one, the next one that everyone's going to be able to relate to number 500, because they're going to sit there and go, why isn't this one on the top of the list? Right? [00:41:20] Speaker B: Yep. [00:41:21] Speaker A: Do you want to tell them what the next one is? [00:41:22] Speaker B: Yep. Sitting at level 500 is love. And the state is coherence and the body correlation correlate is heart center and. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Openness, which makes perfect sense, doesn't it? So, yes, friends, love is actually not the top of the list. So we got more to go for that are even higher vibe than love. But we all know we love love, don't we? [00:41:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:53] Speaker A: Especially when we learn to love ourselves and others as well. So the best way to feel that love physically is to put your hand on your heart and to sway slowly. And I do that when I'm meditating. It just kind of takes over. I do the swaying. It just feels very natural to me. So, yeah, try it, you guys. If you want to get in touch with the feeling of love, put your hand on your heart and allow yourself to sway. And would you like to read the mantra for love? [00:42:30] Speaker B: Yep. The mantra for love is my heart and body move as one. [00:42:38] Speaker A: Isn't that a good one? [00:42:40] Speaker B: Yep. My heart and body move as one. [00:42:44] Speaker A: Yes. Because love needs movement. And so that's, I guess, why that where they're recommending the swaying. It makes sense. Okay, so the next step up is the one I thought was on the top of the list. So even I'm getting corrected today because there's one more above this. I always thought this was the highest. And the next one up is at level 540, and it's Joy. And the state of joy brings on a feeling of radiance. And the body responds by feeling light and flowing. And you have expressive gestures, like, you know, big, like talking like an Italian, you know, with your hands. Right? [00:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:32] Speaker A: People dance when they're feeling love. You know, it's really hard not to move when you're feeling that love vibe. So this is when. I'm sorry, that was the. The joy vibe, Right, Sorry. So it's hard to. It's hard. People dance for joy, right? [00:43:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:49] Speaker A: Snoopy dances for joy. Yeah, we know that. So if you want to feel more love or if you're feeling love and you want to. I'm sorry. Feel more joy and you want to express it, joy would be stretching your arms upward just like Snoopy, smiling and breathing freely. Now I can't get Snoopy out of my head. That's exactly what he looks like he's doing, right? [00:44:14] Speaker B: Yep. [00:44:15] Speaker A: Dancing for joy. And what is the mantra? [00:44:19] Speaker B: Gratitude lights every cell. [00:44:21] Speaker A: Oh, the cells would love to hear that, wouldn't they? The cells respond to that type of message. [00:44:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Gratitude lights every cell. I love that. [00:44:31] Speaker A: Yes. And that's one of the other things that's on my vision board, working on joy. I've had a life where there's been very little joy in my life, and I'm at the point where I really want to embrace it more. So this is really useful for me and I hope it's useful for the people listening. Stretch your arms upwards, smile, breathe freely, and if you can remember to say, gratitude lights every cell, it's going to raise that vibe even higher than love. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Yep. [00:45:00] Speaker A: So do you want to tell them what's second, the penultimate. That's the word. Second to the last. Second to the top. Penultimate. Can you tell I've been to college. What is the penultimate emotion at level. [00:45:14] Speaker B: 600 is peace, which the state is stillness and the bodily correlate is gentle, soft movements or meditative stillness. [00:45:28] Speaker A: Gentle. So if you want to embody peace, what is being recommended for movement specifically is gentle circular wrist or head motion. So just the circles, the spiral we talked about earlier, Feel that flow, allow the circles to move. And would you like to tell everybody the mantra for peace? [00:45:55] Speaker B: Yes. The mantra for peace is I rest in the rhythm of the breath. [00:46:02] Speaker A: Resting in the rhythm of the breath. [00:46:04] Speaker B: I rest in the rhythm of the breath. [00:46:07] Speaker A: That does feel like being the. The calm in the middle of the storm doesn't. [00:46:12] Speaker B: Sure does. [00:46:13] Speaker A: Okay, so I'm sure everybody wonders what could possibly be higher frequency than love, joy and peace? Should we keep them in suspense? Oh, no, that might take them down to the middle range. Again, let's stay high vibe. This makes perfect sense when you're on the spiritual path. Are you guys ready? The absolutely tippy top of this scale at 700 + rating is Enlightenment and unity. So if you've ever been wondering was this spirit spiritual journey worth it. Yes. When you start to see that it's all about unity, that's your enlightenment, and that's the highest frequency according to the Hawkins scale. And the body relates to that with spontaneous alignment and stillness. I can relate to that just with light language, because light language is so spontaneous, my hands will start moving in mudras. Yeah. I will speak spontaneously. A lot of people dance spontaneously when they're doing light language. So for me, I Can. I can definitely know that. If you know, you. You feel like you're about to burst into song, even if it's something from, you know, like an old musical like Oklahoma, then do it. Because that. That's your body saying, I feel that sense of. I just need to express breaths. I feel enlightened. I'm feeling that unity, that purpose where we all feel for a moment, you're. You're in touch with all that is. So why not enjoy it? Right. [00:48:02] Speaker B: So in the movement. [00:48:05] Speaker A: Well, actually, they're recommending spontaneous enlightenment and stillness. So me, I'm talking about the movement and the spontaneity, but the stillness also is part of it too, too. Because you're. It's like you said, that inner journey. That's when the Zen. That's the Zen you were talking about. That's the samadhi that, that I'm. I'm in touch with all that is. Even if it's temporarily, enjoy it. So would you like to tell them what's recommended as far as movements? [00:48:38] Speaker B: Yes. It's stillness or very slow Tai Chi. Like flow. [00:48:46] Speaker A: Yes. So you're not going to be sprinting when you're in that state. You're going to be moving. And if you are moving, like I said, it's just like my light language. Just go with the flow. And the stillness would be that chance to just kind of savor it. And would you like to tell them the mantra? [00:49:06] Speaker B: Yes, the mantra for enlightenment slash unity is all that moves through me is love. I really like that. All that moves through me is love. [00:49:20] Speaker A: And that makes sense why you might want to move or you might want to be still. And so one thing we want to remind everybody, again, whatever level you're feeling right now, because I've certainly felt the lowest part of the scale the last couple. A couple days. And then I had my ups, and I was probably more toward the middle and the high end. And then I felt down again today is that now you have some tools to work with. So I hope you wrote some of these down or you can revisit them later. But basically pick how you're feeling now and then add the movement that you. We recomm. We were recommended to share with you while you're breathing slowly three times and see if it helps you at least embody where you're at right now and accept where you're at right now. So you can move to a higher level. Maybe not immediately, but that. That will be the trajectory. Yeah. [00:50:18] Speaker B: And one of the things that we are intended to is we're intended to manipulate energy. That means in order for us to work with energy, we're able to move around with different emotions because we know even if it's a lower emotion, we still have a choice. And that choice is to understand it, to heal it, and able to shift out of that emotion instead of just living there. [00:50:50] Speaker A: Yes. And so once again, you know, energy is. Our emotions are energy in motion. I think a lot of us have heard that before. So we. When you are really thinking about it and your energy is feeling stuck, that's why we're suggesting these movements. So since we have a couple minutes left, why don't we reread these really quickly for people in case you want to write them down or, you know, go back and listen to this again at the end of the podcast here to review. So why don't you read. Why don't you read up to the middle, and then I'll do the middle and you do the high. Okay. [00:51:35] Speaker B: So are we just doing the mantras? [00:51:38] Speaker A: The movement and the mantra. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Okay, perfect. So the lowest one was shame. And the movement is inhale slowly, roll your shoulders back, and uncurl your spine. And the mantra, excuse me, is, even now I am worthy of breath. The next emotion is guilt. And the movement for it is, lightly press hand to the heart and exhale through the mouth. And the mantra for it is, I forgive myself for being human. The next emotion is apathy. And the movement is, wiggle the fingers and toes and bite. Gentle motion. And the mantra is, a small spark still lives in me. The next emotion is grief. The movement is, hands on chest, breathe deeply, lift chin slightly. And the mantra is, it's safe to let my heart breathe again. And the last on the list of the emotions is fear. The movement is, inhale through the nose, exhale longer through the mouth. And the mantra is, I am safe enough for one full breath. [00:53:22] Speaker A: Okay. And then in the middle range, anger. And the movement that's recommended is, shake your arms or hands, release the tension. And the mantra is, my fire moves, it does not burn me. The next one is courage. The movement is straighten your spine, get your feet planted, and steady your gaze. And the mantra is, I stand tall in what is mine to do. The next one is neutrality. And the movement recommended is to roll your shoulders and open your palms. The mantra is, I choose peace over struggle. The next level is willingness. And the movement recommended is to inhale, reach your arms slightly outward, and exhale. And the mantra is, I'm ready to learn what this moment brings. The Next one is acceptance. The movement recommended is to place both hands on your heart and nod softly. And the mantra is, I can meet this just as it is now. [00:54:40] Speaker B: We're going into the higher frequencies. And the first emotion is reason, Slash, clarity. The movement is lengthen the neck, Relax the neck, the jaw. And the mantra is, my mind serves truth, not fear. The next emotion is love. And the movement is hands on. On the heart in a slow, rhythmic sway. And the mantra for it is, my heart and body move as well. 1. The next emotion is joy. And the movement is stretch the arms upward, smile, and breathe freely. The mantra is gratitude lights every cell. The next emotion is peace. The movement is gentle circular wrist or head motion. The mantra is, I rest in the rhythm of the breath. The last emotion is unity, enlightenment. The movement is stillness, or very slow Tai Chi, like flow. And the mantra is, all that moves through me is love. [00:56:09] Speaker A: Okay, so I guess we can honestly say we went through the entire gamut of emotions. [00:56:14] Speaker B: Yeah, we did. [00:56:17] Speaker A: And I think that just by talking them through, I feel a little better than when I started the podcast. And seeing that list, you know, gives you hope. [00:56:27] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:56:28] Speaker A: You know, even if you're not feeling the highest emotions at this point, that we know things can change. And, you know, as long as you're focusing on how this helps you as a barometer for healing, then use it as a tool. It doesn't rule you. You can wield your tools, and your emotional feelings are a tool. [00:56:53] Speaker B: And just one of the things that really helped me that I would love to share is just that emotions are just like Lola said, indicators. Don't be so hard on yourself if you're going through the emotions because it's coming out, because obviously it needs to be seen in a different way and it just needs to be healed. There's nothing wrong with you. You're actually. It's part of your growth and healing. [00:57:21] Speaker A: Yes. So that said, thank you for meeting us where we. We are feeling emotionally, because to be honest with you, neither of us are feeling at the highest end of the scale at the moment because we've been doing a lot of inner work and looking at things me like shame and abandonment and stuff like that, and for. [00:57:38] Speaker B: Me was rejection and abandonment as well. So we had one in particular. [00:57:44] Speaker A: So just know you're not alone, and it's part of the human experience. And what was that great mantra? I forgive myself for being human. [00:57:52] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:57:53] Speaker A: I forgive you. Let's do some ho' opono on that. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you for tuning in. Don't forget to share episode with those that can benefit from it. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Yes. And we will see you in a week. [00:58:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:58:07] Speaker A: Bye. [00:58:08] Speaker B: Bye.