Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to Woowooville, the next stop on your spiritual journey, a podcast hosted by two fellow travelers who found a soul connection on the path to higher consciousness.
Our goal is to help you navigate the choppy waters you're likely to encounter on the spiritual path by sharing our experiences with you each week.
Join us as we spill the tea on what it's like to wake up to your authenticity self.
Hello, I am Lola Singer, and I'm just going to confess right off the bat. We've got kind of a doozy of an episode, and I suspect it's going to wander around.
We're going to get to points, but I have a feeling it's going to be like a flow of water. We're just going to let it go wherever it goes. So we don't know exactly where we're headed, but we have an idea of the course we're setting.
[00:00:49] Speaker B: And my name is Ameril, and Amaral.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: Is wonderful human being, our favorite spiritual consultant, especially when it comes to consulting for our spiritual hairdos.
But he's super wise and has been on the spiritual path, what, since 2020?
Wasn't that that you started kind of started pursuing things?
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Yeah, 2020.
[00:01:18] Speaker A: So he's been going on the fast track toward spiritual growth. I'm Lola Singer.
I'm a professional tarot reader, energy healer, a light language artist, and I've been doing it a lot longer than he has. But we're both, for some reason, have been converging on the same concepts in the last couple days, where we are just absolutely in awe and wonder about humanity and what's going on with humanity. So the title of today's episode is Are you guys ready?
Peace among the Chaos.
And I'm subtitling it. What's so funny about peace, love and understanding? And only people of a certain vintage will know. That's a title of a song.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: I played it for Amaral. It is. The lyrics are so perfect, FYI. It's by Elvis Costello. You can see it on YouTube. I would highly recommend it because the lyrics are totally related to what we're talking about today. Once again, the song is called what's so funny about Peace, Love and Understanding. And today's episode, Peace amongst the Chaos.
[00:02:29] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: Do you want to start talking about that?
[00:02:33] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's so interesting because there were so many ideas we brought out that we were talking about, but one of the biggest things that really stood out is that we know, obviously we have to understand two things, that a loudness is what pretty much what's playing out.
And I feel like where I find my balance is just like once upon a time we each heard, you know, spirit is really soft and allows you to think.
It doesn't. It gives you a choice.
And then when you have your ego, ego is very loud, very disruptive. So I feel like in the outside of us, it's kind of playing out like that. Like, what's really loud and very disruptive is this, like, division game that's being played out. This.
If you're not following this, then you're not right type thing. And it's so loud that people are kind of like. It's almost like the easiest way to put it. It's almost like they're being bullied to fit under one narrative or the other.
When what we're trying to do with this episode is just allow you to have a choice.
We all seek our peace. We all want inner peace. So what does that mean around these times?
Because it's getting to that point where it's just like, almost like if we tune into what's out there, it seems so chaotic.
So the bigger question, I guess, is if you see a fire, do you add wood to it or do you just kind of try to be the change? And sometimes that change isn't easy because when you are that change and when you're embodying that change, when you're trying to hold that space for others, then you are all of a sudden judge or put into this category of, like, you're not fitting in. And it's like a new version of judgment amongst even people that are trying to bring peace into this.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: Yes. That's one thing I've just been discovering in the last couple days. People are not tuning into peace, and I am baffled by that.
But one thing you brought out is the chaos, the noise. And the noise is coming from the entire human collective.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:05:08] Speaker A: And I think it's because everything's coming to this culmination. We know that there's a big shift coming, and it's just. Just amplifying and amping up and amping up the energy.
And what's happening is that the whole collective is, for lack of a better term, the guides are telling me, bringing out the ugly.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:05:30] Speaker A: So I always use the analogy of, like, you know, when you get a new skin product. Right. And you start using it, the lady at the counter says, oh, well, when you start using this, you're going to have eruptions in your skin first because you have to pure. You have to get all the purifying's coming in to get it out. So before you see the actual great benefits of this particular product, you're likely to have some breakouts of acne, and then all of a sudden it goes away and you're fine. And that's kind of what's happening as an analogy right now. All this dirt and Grimes coming to the surface metaphorically, at a mental, emotional and spiritual level.
And the noise, the clamor is getting so loud. And what's happening is. What I'm seeing is more and more division.
It's not bringing in more harmony, it's bringing in more divisiveness where people are. You got to be in this camp, or you got to be in that camp, and there's no in between. And I think what Amaral are trying to tell you, there is an in between.
And that's where you're the observer, seeing people fighting against each other over many things, not just the most obvious. Not just only about war and politics, about, you know, very things that.
Small things to argue about. And it's like, where.
All I can say is, like, where's our humanity right now? Because I don't see it.
I am seeing divisionism. I'm not seeing unity. I'm not seeing caring about other people.
And I'm not saying that on an individual level, because I know everybody in this audience is trying to do their part individually, but I'm talking about the group collective. The group collective, the separation, the divide and conquer has never been greater, in my opinion.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Well, it has gotten pretty extreme. See, here's the thing about humanity.
We go through similar things, and in those similar things, we seem to just jump over and not learn from previous history.
Examples of that. The divide and conquer was played out with Hitler.
What he did is he divided a nation and he created such chaos and such separation that the human part was completely gone. And then you now all of a sudden had people cheering for.
For pretty much like the Jews being triggered as far as, like, seen as bad. Evil and seen as, like, getting rid of them. And it's just.
It's so chaotic to me, because when we bring it to perspective, we literally question, how can we? How did we get here?
Where did things fall out? In one of the things. As far as being more of an observer, we have to understand that the earth is a school.
In this school, we're brought here to experience everything. But the reason I think that now it's like, what we need to understand is the fact that only the strongest decided to come during these times because it was going to get so chaotic because we have to understand that the shift is happening for a reason.
There's so many things that are not working out and everything.
In a way, all the system, all the control systems are collapsing.
[00:09:16] Speaker A: However, they're going down screaming yes.
[00:09:19] Speaker B: And they're not giving up and they're kicking and they're. And they want you to believe that it's more like loss than not. But the truth is again, it's that loudness that's speaking out.
It's that part that we are witnessing. But the truth is just as you hear that loudness, there is that quietness, there is those of us that are going within. Because that's what it is about these times is we're going to see a lot of chaos, chaotic thing outside of us. So it's time to go within and find that peace within, that peace that makes us realize what are my actions? Do I feel proud of what I'm doing?
Is it really taking me in human? Am I aligning with the intentions that I hold for myself and for humanity?
Because this isn't a.
Obviously we know we're all aligned as part of the oneness, but that oneness is about coming together with caring thoughts for one another, with unconditional love for ourselves and others.
It's interesting to me how we became all of a sudden for whatever situation because we don't want to get into politics or specify, but all of a sudden we became to judge people for something that they can't even help themselves, for their situations, that that's who just. They ended in the situations they ended up. And then.
So one of the examples I want to give is that I'm not even first generation like US citizen. I was born in Mexico. I didn't have a choice to come here because my parents obviously brought me here.
So what I ask myself is what makes me feel that I'm better than anybody else that came as an immigrant and that had. The only thing is I had the choice to obviously take care of my situation. But nonetheless, the human part of me also is going to resonate with a lot of what's being played out now that it's like people seen as less than. And what's really interesting to me is that how it's so addressed into a certain kind of immigrant when really immigrants come in all shapes and colors and from all over the world.
And so it's just. To me, it's almost like the world has switched upside down to make it really make sense in.
It's funny because My focus card from Tarot for the day was the Hangman, which is about looking at things from a different perspective, and it's a renewal period. So, more than anything, what we want to accomplish with this episode, it's not.
It's just to understand where you can be better. Like, where you can really stand as yourself and have the confidence of bringing in peace and not settling for anything less than peace. Because I feel like amongst the loudness, there's also peace. We just are tuning so much into that loudness that's not allowing us to see the peace that it is, that does exist, that is coming online too. It's just not as loud as the other thing.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's what we were hoping to really impart upon you, is that peace seems to be taking a backseat in people's minds. And there's a very tangible example I can give you.
It might seem kind of spoiled and trivial, but I thought it was a big deal. And it was as simple as I was watching someone's TikTok channel.
And the guy's name, he's wonderful. He get. He just for free, he gives out binary codes, which are a series of ones and zeros that are about drawing in energy for certain things, like manifestation, you know, bring in abundance, that sort of thing. And he was actually, like me and like Amaral right now, kind of in amazement because he'd done six in a series on peace, where he was just giving you free codes and telling you the numbers so you can write them down, say them into your water and charge your water, or sleep with them under your pillow, things like that, so you can tap into the energy of peace.
He'd done six videos on peace, and they were the least popular videos he'd had in a while.
And he was dumbfounded. It's like, don't you want peace?
And so I showed Amaral one of his, which was about forgiveness of self and others to lead to peace was the intention. And he's just very forthright. And, you know, he's not charging people for this. It's like, here, I'm giving you this information freely for you to work with these energetic codes.
And he was just kind of dumbfounded that, wow, why aren't people enjoying this one about peace?
So why. That's my question right now. Why are we not prioritizing peace? Why are we prioritizing money and profit over peace? I know, I know, I know. It's our training, but when you think about it, that's a fundamental question we should all be asking ourselves.
So since I showed that to Ameril, he's going to have you tell you the code. It's a long one, so if you have a pen and paper, you'll want to write this down.
But you can also, you know, re listen to the podcast too. But I also want to tell you what his handle is on TikTok. It's binary dot, like, period, slash, light codes. Binary dot, slash, light codes. The guy is just a light worker, basically trying to help people and absolutely flummoxed, like we are right now about why isn't peace a top priority? Why isn't this something that people think is the juiciest piece of the pie?
Yeah. So go ahead and give them the code. It's going to be a series of ones and zeros. It's a long one.
But please, please, if you're interested in peace, write this down.
[00:15:43] Speaker B: So the.
The, I guess, for lack of a better word, mantra that goes with this is, it says, I forgive, I am free.
We are evolving.
And the number sequence is 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, zero, 1, 0, 1, 1st, 1, 1, 0, 0,0, 1, 0, 1.
[00:16:14] Speaker A: Missed a zero.
So stay it again. You missed a zero. I was watching you from upside down.
You missed this zero.
[00:16:23] Speaker B: Okay?
[00:16:24] Speaker A: So you can say it again. Because it's such a long one, it's easy to get confused.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: It's one, zero, one, one, zero, one, zero, zero, zero, one, zero, 0, one, zero, one, one million one, one, zero, zero, 0, one, 0, one.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: Okay, if you guys got that, even if you didn't write it down, I could feel my heart a little bit shifting when you just said those numbers.
So just like this particularly wonderful human being who's just doing a service for people on TikTok, I am in awe of why we're not feeling the peace right now, why we're not focusing on the peace.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: So another thing, another thing that we brought up was a word that really fits in with kind of what's going on, which is confirmation. Confirmation bias is a cognitive bias where individuals tend to seek, interpret, and remember information that confirms their existing beliefs or values.
And what's really interesting is how it aligns as far as when you talk about peace, when you talk about change, People don't want to listen to that because they already have as their beliefs and their values of being loud, of doing and saying all these things that they want to be heard and see. The unders we. We get the understanding of this is people that are frustrated because the system itself is not it's like, obviously flawed.
[00:18:02] Speaker A: And their system is promoting the us and versus them mentality.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: And so in simple terms, there is a tendency to favor information that aligns with existing beliefs.
People may actively seek information that supports their views while disregarding or downplaying contradictory information.
This can lead to overlooking credible information that challenges beliefs.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: Well, and the classic example would be politics.
[00:18:34] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:35] Speaker B: And we see it all the time. I mean, how many of you can say that you don't go into your social media and you see everything out there? I mean, I've cleansed my friends list because there was like, some people that I was like, whoa, this person definitely does not at all align with my beliefs and it's time to let them go. So maybe this is also another opening invitation for you guys to really see who is aligning with you and then make sure that you are. You have within you the people that are really aligned with you and the way that you're seeing life and the way you're processing everything. Because unfortunately, it's kind of come down to those decisions that we have to make, each individually of what is aligned for us and what isn't.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Well, but when you think about it, though, the people who you talked about, you know, with the cognitive dissonance, they are aligned to their beliefs.
It's just, it's an us versus them mentality. They're not seeing from the higher perspective, like the eagle, you know, that it's a bird with two wings that they're looking at, you know, that every. Everything's designed to keep us fighting here. So it's not just politics, it's religion, it's lifestyle choices. It's, you know, you're bad, I'm good. You know, I guess what we're trying to say is you can see it from the middle.
You don't have to pick one side or the other.
But because of the training we've had from a very young age, we're taught that there has to be a bad guy and there has to be a good guy.
And I know that's part of our lesson here on Earth is to master polarity. And to be honest with you, mastering polarity would be looking at it objectively from the middle.
Oh, I had a thought and evaporated right out of my head. And it was a good one about.
Well, I mean, you know, I guess a concrete example, like, people can picture, like a Tibetan monk, you know, watching people fighting but not being part of the fight, you know, so if you had that mentality of like, I'm going to observe it, but I'm not going to get embroiled in it. I can actually observe the chaos without becoming the chaos.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: And I think it's going a lot deeper because I can definitely.
I've seen a lot of times where people have come up to me and asked me, well, which side are you on? And I was like, well, I'm not none of those sites. And it's almost like people that even speak their minds about how they feel, they get bullied into, oh, no, you have to be here or another. It's almost like they can't comprehend it.
[00:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah, you can be neutral.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:21:32] Speaker A: They just. It just isn't in their. In their perceptions.
Well, that goes with the cognitive dissonance, too.
I've noticed, too, that, you know, whether irregardless of. If you're on the spiritual path, and this is based on Facebook as well, and you mentioned it too.
It's like, it's really interesting when you think that your friends who are on the spiritual path can see what you're seeing. And then they're posting divisiveness.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: On a platform that promotes people fighting.
So it's just like, wow, you're falling into the trap. I guess that's what happens. You start to see the traps more clearly and it's hard to watch people falling into the traps.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: And we're definitely seeing that now with the zeitgeist of humanity right now because there's so many ways that they're pitting us against them and. Oh, I know what I was going to say.
When it comes to making choices about, like, for example, things you're posting, does it enhance life?
Then that's probably something you want to be proud of and post.
Does it belittle other people?
Do you really want to post that?
[00:22:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:58] Speaker A: I mean, do you want to declare that you're fallen into that I'm better than you mentality?
Because that's the other thing that I. You know what's so funny about peace, love and understanding is it breaks my heart. We got one race. It's a human race.
One race. Human race.
There you go.
I don't. I think you can be many, many different pigmentations and have the same type of blood.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: Right, Exactly.
Well, and that's. That's just it, though. It's. It is overall a way of a system of seeing the world where it creates chaos.
What happens when you have. When you're playing out that divide game? It gets to such an extremity that then the people that are in control which is the governments and stuff. They step in and then they fully take control.
Because there's.
There's a law that comes in when things get too rowdy where you lose your rights.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: Oh, military law.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: Yes, it's called.
I can't even think of the name of it, but it'll come to me. But overall, the more control they have. And it's so strange to me because it's like the whole.
If you really have to look at overall what's like failing everyone is the fact that there is 1% that has everything and then there's the other ones are just like the rest of us are just like falling into corporations falling into working for certain things in. But yet we're pointed at is like the conflict is amongst ourselves. It's almost like a.
Yeah.
[00:24:50] Speaker A: They don't see the bigger picture even of who is actually oppressing them. If they're feeling oppressed, they're blaming their co workers. They're not looking at the system.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Exactly. And it's the system that's failing everyone. It's not the fact. But that is why.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: But it's designed that way.
It was never designed for us to prosper. It was designed to keep us eking out a living so we don't have time to focus on our spiritual growth.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: And then the other thing too that I see played out too is like there's a lot of religious programming acting up within people.
Like there's the savior complex that's really acting up. Like, oh, I have to save. I have to do this.
And so that can really create chaos. There's suffering too. Like, well, I'm seeing people suffering. I have to step in. I have to do this and I have to do that. And it's just there's so much playing out right now that honestly, it's almost about you standing in peace and holding that space for others. Because it's so crazy. Because to me, like, when I think about it logically too sometimes it's almost like, like you say you want things to be better, but yet your emotions, your actions are becoming loud and aggressive and frustrated. Not everyone, of course. I'm just talking about the people that are being.
And wouldn't that count as that's the intention and that's where you're. The energy that you're guiding.
[00:26:31] Speaker A: So definitely not choosing peace.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: Exactly. And how would you ever collect peace out of that? That's what like it's going against.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: There's a. But see what they're. What they're looking for is righteousness. Yes, I've got to be right. Then I'm going to have peace because I'm going to show them that I'm right and you're wrong. But that's not what peace is.
[00:26:50] Speaker B: No, that is definitely not what peace is.
[00:26:53] Speaker A: So I have an example of this. I'm going to read it from yesterday. Okay. When he mentioned some of the religious programming and how it's divisive.
So once again, a very peaceful post. I did a tarot reading for a friend. She posted her face and wrote. Lola gave me a great tarot reading.
It's 3:33. He just showed me on the phone.
And.
And then she could highly recommend it. That's all she said, very simple words. And somebody wrote on that post. And I saw it because it was shared with me, a comment.
And this was a very pleasant post and it wasn't being preachy or anything. It's just like, great, great tarot reading. I recommend Lola, basically.
So he writes back to her, this guy.
Those who ignore God's word, the gospel, in order to devote themselves to pagan religions, man made spiritual paths, alternative doctrines to his word, or even witchcraft. That includes astrology, reiki, yoga, holistics, occultism, alchemy, kundalini, tarot and various magics will be thrown into the pool of fire.
Would like to make it clear that mine is not a judgment, really.
He says, you will have divine judgment as soon as you die. Meaning, my friend, because she got a tarot reading, but a warning with the hope of escaping the most severe sentences. So he's giving us a warning and then he writes warm greetings.
When I read that, it was like, wow, how could you say warm greetings at the end of that?
So this is a righteous person, you know, and, and putting the kibosh on the good vibe that she was putting out there.
Because he has to show that you're wrong. I'm right.
[00:28:52] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: And warm greetings to you. You're going to hell.
And you know, you can't even respond to somebody like that because that's just going to, you know, put fuel on the fire.
So she didn't respond, I didn't respond. But it, it's just. To me, this is an example.
It's almost a laughable example.
[00:29:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: Of someone trying to create divisiveness who thinks they're doing the holiest of holiest things by condemning somebody else.
Yeah. And that's not. I mean, yeah, that's the Old Testament God, if that's, if that's what you want to adhere to. Yeah, have fun with, you know, those false things, the, that, that structure with the, you know, Yahweh. Yeah, you can have them. I don't want them.
But it's certainly not the Jesus part on the, in the New Testament. So where are you coming from? You know, with religious doctrine like that, it's certainly not anybody who's following Jesus's tenets. So I guess you're following Yahweh.
Yeah. Well, good choice. Talking about choices.
Yeah.
So we're going to see more and more of that and it's going to be pitched at the spiritual community. I mean, did you see here, this list? Most people listening, the audience probably love at least one of these yoga. For goodness sakes. You don't even have to be very. You, you like what I can't even talk about.
I'm upset. I guess you don't have to be woo woo to like yoga. Right.
[00:30:28] Speaker B: How about Reiki? I'm like, what? Do you even know what Reiki is?
[00:30:32] Speaker A: I've heard other people think Reiki is ev.
They say you don't know what you're channeling. It's like, yes, we do. It's just our own life force, you know, so there's there with the cut, with the confirmation bias of people who already think like this.
It's just going to get louder and louder and louder, folks. So if you, if you are one of the people who enjoys yoga or Reiki or holistic information about your body, oh my goodness. There's going to be opposition coming up as we get louder and louder and louder in the noise and the chaos, as we move into a new direction and all of the systems that are falling, including this person's view of religion, they're going to come crumbling down, but they're going to go out loud, loud, loud and kick in. We're talking about.
So I guess we're talking half of this program about why we're baffled by all of this. What can we do to maintain the peace through this? In addition to being trying, trying to stay as calm as possible and observant as possible. It's really hard.
Like I could have engaged with this person. That would have been folly, though.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:47] Speaker A: But I could have and that would have just, you know, more bad vibes. More bad vibes. More bad vibes. I'd just be amplifying it. Right.
So I guess that's one of the things you can do amidst the chaos, is to use your discernment. Is this worth the process of what potentially where this road could go down? Is it worth getting into an argument with someone who has cognitive bias and is not going to be open to hearing anything about how holistic medicine has saved the lives of people, for example?
[00:32:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
When there's so much more that plays out too. Because one of the things we do have to mention is that it seems as if people would say things such as, like, oh, it's outside of me. If somebody is doing that, I like can tune him out. I can choose not to pay attention to it. But what about if these people are close relatives? What if these people are friends that you looked at them one way and then all of a sudden judged by their post, you know where they're at?
That's where it gets a little more complicated. And without meaning to, sometimes we can get like, our energy can be affected by it.
[00:33:00] Speaker A: So I guess in that case you have to ask yourself the question, do I choose loyalty or do I choose peace?
[00:33:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: And so that's why a lot of people, they purge their social media from time to time because there's a point where the people in their milieu are just robbing them of peace.
[00:33:20] Speaker B: When I think that overall, what's really true about our growth and stuff is you're gonna, you're gonna learn really quick if you haven't yet the differences between quality and quantity of people near you, like who you give access to in your life really is going to speak on you, on what things you allow to be okay in your life. The more you open up to huge crowds, the more there's gonna be more people that are gonna be like, opposed to ideals that you have. The more they're gonna be people that may comment. Things that really like are not resonating with you. And that's because you kind of opened up to that.
I've cleansed my social media so many times and I still manage to get people that will comment. And I guess it's not about a control of, oh, if you don't think like me, I'm going to get rid of you. No, it's more about you realizing when you have finally, you have to come to a term. Something really interesting happened to me and it's more private. But yesterday I encountered two really close people to me and I finally realized not that they have to function the way I have to function, what I have to do upon their actions is I have to choose me. I have to choose my piece. So that means is I have to respect their journey. I need to allow them to have their journey. But I can no longer be a There all the time. I can't be their life jacket and I can't think I'm going to be able to hold them or carry them. I need to. If I truly say that I'm loving someone, I need to allow them to have their own journey and experience, but at the same time, while having strong boundaries and taking care of myself too. Meaning if that person is very negative, I need to take time apart from that person because I don't want to be around that. That's how we grow a lot of friends, because they are going to be themselves. And that's the bottom point is being spiritual doesn't mean that you get to tell people how to act and how to be or have an attachment or an expectation of how people should be.
[00:35:45] Speaker A: Well, that goes into righteousness again.
[00:35:47] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: I'm glad you brought up about allowing people to have their own journey because I think that's part of that higher spiritual perspective too. So the example would be, I didn't get into an argument with this person who put the comment up there because not only did I realize it was just going to be something that would turn into a mess, but also I can tell that comes from a very wounded person who feels disempowered. I don't want to make this person feel more disempowered. It's just going to be like a wolf backed into a corner.
[00:36:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:22] Speaker A: You know, I don't, I don't want to participate in that. I don't want to be a threat to this person. Person.
[00:36:27] Speaker B: But isn't it so interesting that before we started our healing journey, whenever we felt threatened, whenever we felt against the wall, we were like bark back or bite back or like do anything we could, like as far as like self.
[00:36:41] Speaker A: Defense or bite them first before they even try to bite you.
[00:36:46] Speaker B: And that was, and that was like who we were. But that's the thing is, that's the part about evolution that we sometimes don't see amongst ourselves, is that we show evolution by our actions. Because if we're constantly on the fighting or everyone's out against me, I have to prove something. I have to be stronger than I have to have the last word. Like, this is so ego, but also it's so unhealed. It's. Yeah, it's a very unhealed version of ourselves. And I'm sure that every single one of us can see that in someone and say, I was there once.
[00:37:24] Speaker A: You know, you're giving me an epiphany because I'm sitting there going, you know at the beginning of the. Of the podcast going, why? Why aren't people choosing peace? Why am I seeing this? Why? Why, why? Which almost to me isn't, I was falling into that us versus them trap too, wasn't I?
Out of well meaning ness. But.
But yeah. So even the people who are die hard left or die hard right. Die hard fundamental this, die hard fundamental that, we've got to allow them to have their own journeys. But also, I think when you have that higher's perspective, you see they're doing this out of their own insecurities and out of their own wounds.
And the only reason you could know that is if you've had insecurities and wounds.
[00:38:13] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: So we're not trying to, you know, point the finger and say, we're better than you because we've. I guess that's what you were trying to get at. We've been through it too. Yes, we've been through it too. So it's like Chiron, the wounded healer in Greek mythology.
He was an immortal. He was never supposed to get harmed. He was never supposed to die. But somehow he got wounded and with a pain that would never go away. And he's immortal, so he's had to deal with the pain. So he became the best doctor possible because he couldn't have been a good doctor without the empathy and understanding pain.
So I think maybe that's the lesson here. Those of us who want to choose peace, because you have a choice, you can choose peace or you can choose righteousness and arguments and all that stuff.
For those of us who want to choose peace, maybe we're doing it because we know what the alternative is. We've experienced. We know, yeah. What we know. We don't want to do it anymore, what we used to do. But we're not condemning the other people. We're understanding that we had to learn a lesson the hard way. And maybe they do, too. And maybe the whole point of the beginning of how I was feeling at the podcast was I was getting into that savior mode. How can I save them from that pain? Yeah, I can't.
All I can do is be a beacon of. I got out of it. You can be a beacon. You got out of it. We can be empathic and go, we get where you're coming from. Yeah, but I got. Yeah, I got. I fell into the savior thing, didn't I? Now that I think about it.
[00:39:49] Speaker B: But that's good. That's. I think that coming around and realizing that about ourselves, that's great because that is A sign of you are obviously healing. Like we don't. Just because we're in our healing journey. Just because we're awakening does not by any means mean we are perfect or that we. We always have each other down. What makes us different is that we are now aware of things. And when things run across us and even if we act upon them, the best thing we can do is go back and say, you know what?
I just realized I did feed into this, or I fed into that.
But it's great to acknowledge it and it's great to shift it because just like you said, Lola, to me, like, in which I always, like, now it's fully trapped in my thing. It's like we're not looking for perfection because balance is mastery. So that's part about keeping ourselves together is being balanced. Which areas of our lives are we giving our power away? Which areas of our life are we doing great? Which areas of our life need more work? Or it can just be a day. It could be a day that you wake up and you all of a sudden feel. Because I 100% got what you were meaning. Like, if as far as when you explained it to me, I didn't see it so much as like that you were falling into that savior mode. I just saw it as like, you really look up to humanity in a way where you respect everyone and you want them to come up.
[00:41:24] Speaker A: Well, okay, here's the thing. I see the greatness in humanity.
[00:41:28] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:41:28] Speaker A: They do not see the greatness in themselves.
[00:41:30] Speaker B: And that's great. I mean, even if like that, I guess we do have to hold space for them. And yes, we need to allow them to have their own journey and to grow and to come to terms with that. But nonetheless, nobody deserves to be seen without a light.
Because everybody has the possibility. Everybody is able to shift their lives. Everybody is able to heal.
And the more work become. Just because we are more aware doesn't mean we become more judgmental. We still have great hopes for everyone because we want everyone to rise up.
[00:42:08] Speaker A: Yes. So while you were talking, I guess is part of it that ties into, you know, peace amongst the chaos is I'm going to encourage everybody who's listening because I do. I do. I hold humanity up to some high standards because I know you're capable of it.
It's the. It's the system that has told you you're not.
I'm just going to ask you to apply your free will, but use this as a way to discern.
Does this choice create peace within me or does it not create peace within me.
And I would suggest opting for peace.
[00:42:51] Speaker B: Yeah, well the thing is, even if you didn't opt for the most peaceful thing, I mean actions do lead to things we collect. So if you don't like really apply peace, then you're not going to get like peaceful results too. So it just, it's way. It's what I'm really trying to say is that ultimately we have a choice on how to act, but we also have to take ownership of the energy we're sending out. Because you can't think that you're gonna have this peaceful world and then you yourself not have those peaceful thoughts or great.
[00:43:29] Speaker A: We have animosity towards somebody or something else.
[00:43:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
In that. Which is the other thing that I want to really bring up because it's like spirit's been nudging me important and everything, like trying to get my attention because at first I didn't understood.
I am not the type of person that gets that. When I first started my journey, I wasn't really affected by solar flares and all these changes. Right.
But then all of a sudden I'm more affected by it because I can feel it now. And I think what it was, it was like. And I'm just not sugarcoating it for myself. I can only speak for myself, but I had so much junk that there was no way I could even feel more because there was so much blockages.
But now even seeing what solar flares are really doing is they're lifting things are no longer aligned with us and they're doing it in such a more massive level where we're seeing that expression through anger. And I'm not saying that there's necessarily a right or wrong way, but.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: But anger is a catalyst.
[00:44:35] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: You can use anger in a positive way. It shows you what's not working so you can make the choice to change.
[00:44:42] Speaker B: And so that's why you have all these. So when you're looking at the world, look at things also. Like they're finally helping to bring things out of people so that hopefully they're able to tune into themselves and they're able to heal those parts of themselves.
Because the thing is, for me, a huge one. For example, I think me personally, one of the biggest things that you can heal is suffering.
Because suffering connects to every program there's there. Because when you're choosing a program over your own self, you're choosing to suffer. And people don't do those connections because sometimes we think of like, oh, it's just this program it's just that programming. But in reality, there's programs that connect with one another or they're like layered up. But I found that suffering for me growing up, like I grew up in a religious programming, very strong religious programming, Catholicism.
So there was a lot of suffering. There's a lot of suffering Catholicism. I mean, I am not even sugarcoating it. Like you can go into any of the practices and there's a lot of suffering.
So I had to just lately I went through my father in law passing and me holding space.
And even though everybody is allowed to have their own grieving process, which that's the part where I was holding space for them, there was a lot of parts where they were choosing suffering. And I, and I really, even though I could feel the frequency of that because I myself have experienced it before, it's just not the time. I couldn't just be like, hey, you know, you're choosing suffering, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. Because that's their process and because they're grieving.
Well, anyone that's grieving and you try to tell them anything to do or they're doing something they shouldn't do or whatever. Not that they shouldn't do, I guess.
[00:46:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that's getting judgmental.
[00:46:44] Speaker B: Yeah, you're trying to more see where they could be better with themselves, more loving towards themselves.
But if they're like, they're probably gonna take it the wrong way is what I'm saying.
So I just chose to just hold that space.
But it's very interesting when like everything outside of us can also mirror some things of us. Meaning if you are getting triggered by something, that's just the call saying that there's an area of you that needs help that hasn't been healed.
It's not a part for you to suppress. In fact, if it's coming to the surface is really pointing out at a part of you that needs to healing in.
Even where whatever level you might be at, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Like sometimes I can just have those moments where there's something that bothers me and I really have to go through and analyze what happened, analyze why it's bothering me. Because if it's something that's bothering us within, it has to do with us. It has to do with something within ourselves that hasn't been healed, that something outside of us is triggering in just. I feel that like in a way, Lola, that could have been more of you because it's like you, you have such high hopes for humanity. And it's all of a sudden like what's affecting you on the inside is like you're not seeing and you're hearing that loudness and you're like, no. Like you can do so much better, but at the same time, you can't.
You can't force anyone. You know, it's just kind of. It's. It's a thing that it needs to be played out.
But I mean, what I'm trying to really say is don't suppress your emotions.
And when you see what's playing out, if it really starts to bother you, it's because it's something within to go in yourself and see why it's bothering you so much.
[00:48:48] Speaker A: Well, I think that's the whole point of why we did this episode, because you and I were feeling the similar impressions today.
We talked about it before we started the podcast and that's why we knew it was going to kind of one going to be a podcast that meanders because so many things were going through our heads about.
About similar concepts. So, yes, part of this is that I need to heal parts of me, and I know parts of me that need to be healed are many, not. Not just a few. But in this case, it is that I do see the. I do see the potential for humanity and I can see that I don't like what I'm seeing.
But that doesn't mean it's not ultimately going to work. It just has to get so bad, it has to get so noisy and so chaotic that the whole human collective decides they've had enough of it. Yeah, and I would like it to be an easier path, but that's my problem to work out. I would like it to be an easier path for humanity.
I'm not in control of that. The collective is in control of that. By making choices like we're talking about, does it promote peace within me? Does it not promote peace within me?
Is it worth engaging in this comment and following it through and having to have a back and forth dickering session? You know, is it life affirming? Am I Actually, I think the biggest one to be really watchful for is when people start talking about how they want other people to die just because they have a different concept or different idea.
If you start falling into that trap, humanity, oh my.
When you start thinking this person so evil that they need to die.
And I'm also talking about groups of people. The groups, that group of people is so evil they all need to die.
When you are not affirming life that is not peace.
No, that is not peace. That is righteousness.
[00:51:05] Speaker B: I mean really, why would you ever wish anyone that?
[00:51:08] Speaker A: But that's what they're trying to do.
I don't want to use the word, but you know the word I'm heading toward, it's a three letter word, starts with W, ends in R.
They're really wanting you to start wanting other people to die.
Do you really want other people to die for a paradigm that doesn't work for you? It's a paradigm that does not promote life.
It's not promoting your life, it's making your life very difficult just to make enough money to make ends meet. That's done by design. Do you really want to support that?
I'm just putting that out there. I'm supporting peace.
[00:51:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:53] Speaker A: I'm supporting harmony and I'm supporting my fellow human beings. And I don't care what color they're melanated.
They're my friends.
[00:52:01] Speaker B: So how about what things can we do to help and assist a Gaia our planet with its ascension. But also bringing in timelines that really benefit all of us.
I think that right now with things going on, they're intended to make us feel like we're powerless. When we were really powerful.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: Yes.
The whole trick, isn't it?
[00:52:28] Speaker B: Yep. And so what I do, like for example for me in the morning, I need to feel peace within. So what I do is I try to meditate. Even if it's just like, it can be as simple as like a 10 minute meditation.
Meditation is more about putting yourself in that like peaceful state, that relaxed state, that connective state. And see what's interesting about that state is connects you to the oneness. So you don't see yourself as something separated from. You see something as part of everything.
So that's one just trying to always set intentions. Like for example, when you're doing certain affirmations and stuff like we can set an intention for a better world, for having more peace, for having more love.
Things like that can be set too.
There's so many different things we can do. But the main thing is setting intentions for a better world for.
Or for example, I used to have an intention that was like allow me to see everything, but especially allow me to see the parts of me that are getting bothered by anything outside of me. Because that's a very deep healing part. Because you want like what will happen is you'll be more aware of the things that are bothering you. So you can heal those parts.
[00:54:02] Speaker A: Yeah, you can't do anything until you Know what they are. Right.
Yeah. And that's why tarot readings are good for that too.
[00:54:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:09] Speaker A: Any kind of divination as well. Staying heart centered. Heart centered. Heart centered. Heart centered. Heart centered. When we're looking at us versus them, that's more of a fear based.
We have that reptilian part of our brain.
[00:54:23] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:54:23] Speaker A: Yeah. So try to stay in your heart, you know, as best you can too. Which is. Which is part of it. Recognizing, like we were talking about earlier, the, like the perspective would put that comment on Facebook, you know, realizing that's a wounded person.
So I didn't want to engage. I could see the wound.
That's a heart centered perspective.
[00:54:44] Speaker B: And even like, for example, with our loved ones and stuff, sometimes it's like, because we love them, we need to step away from them because we realize they reached a point where they're the only ones that can get themselves out of whatever they're choosing to suffer over.
And sure, we can be there as supportive, but when we're falling down, when we're lowering our frequency because of someone else, then we're not really being help.
There's a differences between being supportive and being an enabler.
So what I've decided to do and what I practice now is everyone in my life that I feel like I want to help, I ask myself before, am I helping? Am I supporting this person or am I enabling them?
[00:55:32] Speaker A: Ooh, enabling.
That's the word. That's the word for all of this separation stuff. Am I enabling hostility and am I enabling disempowerment? Am I enabling misdirected aggression? Ooh, that's the word. Enabling. Ooh, you got it. Yeah.
[00:55:54] Speaker B: That can be really powerful, especially for those of us that had issues with which we all probably did at some point, having good boundaries.
Because not having good boundaries allows you for people to kind of step over you and to take advantage of you.
But once you start healing your and having stronger boundaries, then the next part that comes with that is being there and trying to help people. Because some people don't want to be helped.
In fact, some people are perfectly comfortable where they're at and you just have to allow them to be.
[00:56:33] Speaker A: I'm just laughing because it's kind of taking us full circle back to the nice guy on TikTok. People are not choosing peace.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: Exactly. That is true.
[00:56:41] Speaker A: And he's baffled by it too.
[00:56:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:46] Speaker A: So I don't think we came up with a whole lot more solutions other than other ones we've offered in previous broadcasts, which are ways to regulate your nervous system and to cope with change and all kinds of stuff. So, you know, you can always visit our archives, too. You know, breath, work, meditation, all these things that we've recommended in the past. We only have a few minutes to talk. Otherwise, we could go into those in more detail.
[00:57:13] Speaker B: I got one really good one, though. They just popped up.
[00:57:15] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:57:17] Speaker B: What is the definition of peace to you?
And when you find that definition, meaning whether it can be taking a nap, taking, like, some breaths in, being out in nature, Reading a good book for me. Yes. Yeah, follow that. Do the things that bring you peace be part of the solution.
Don't add to the problem.
[00:57:40] Speaker A: There you go.
So I hope you find peace among the chaos.
And I appreciate you going on this ride with us. I knew it was gonna go all over the place, and it actually led me to an epiphany even.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that's great, though. It worked.
[00:57:56] Speaker A: And so I'm just gonna leave you with this once again, that song that will not go out of my head. What is so funny about peace, love, and understanding? If you've never heard that song? It's a fun trip back into the new age pop scene.
[00:58:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:12] Speaker A: And. But the lyrics are so spot, spot on for this episode.
And please share this episode if you found it helpful. And we'll be back in a week.
And hopefully we've all found a lot more peace between then and now.
[00:58:27] Speaker B: Yes. Thank you.
[00:58:28] Speaker A: Bye.
[00:58:29] Speaker B: Bye.
